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Linux will ship on more PCs next year than Microsoft Windows

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  • O OregonGhost

    The funny thing is that the article says that a stripped-down Linux will be available in 30 seconds. Microsoft claims Windows 7 to boot in 22 seconds.

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    whatUrunning com
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    Some hackers have got Linux booting in five seconds[^],

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      But most Windows PCs resume from hibernate in less than 30 seconds anyway. Does anyone actually shut down (as opposed to hibernating) a computer these days?

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      Baconbutty
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      Turning off PC Every time I have finished for the day on my work PC. Every time I have finished with the home PC.

      I still remember having to write your own code in FORTRAN rather than be a cut and paste merchant being pampered by colour coded Intellisense - ahh proper programming - those were the days :)

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        Turning off PC Every time I have finished for the day on my work PC. Every time I have finished with the home PC.

        I still remember having to write your own code in FORTRAN rather than be a cut and paste merchant being pampered by colour coded Intellisense - ahh proper programming - those were the days :)

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        Graham Bradshaw
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        But why turn off instead of hibernating? A hibernated PC consumes no power at all, but saves all the "state", so when you turn on again, you're instantly* back where you started. * subject to copying a memory image from disk, of course

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          But most Windows PCs resume from hibernate in less than 30 seconds anyway. Does anyone actually shut down (as opposed to hibernating) a computer these days?

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          whatUrunning com
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          I've always had network problems resuming from hibernate, maybe its because I regularily connect to several VPNs. Does your PC become sluggish after a few days without a fresh reboot?

          www.whatUrunning.com www.whatUrunning.com blog

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          • O OregonGhost

            The funny thing is that the article says that a stripped-down Linux will be available in 30 seconds. Microsoft claims Windows 7 to boot in 22 seconds.

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            blackjack2150
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            OregonGhost wrote:

            Microsoft claims Windows 7 to boot in 22 seconds.

            On a hypothetical high-end computer from space it must surely be...

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            • W whatUrunning com

              I've always had network problems resuming from hibernate, maybe its because I regularily connect to several VPNs. Does your PC become sluggish after a few days without a fresh reboot?

              www.whatUrunning.com www.whatUrunning.com blog

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              Graham Bradshaw
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              whatUrunning.com wrote:

              Does your PC become sluggish after a few days without a fresh reboot?

              Not at all. Why would it?

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                Some hackers have got Linux booting in five seconds[^],

                www.whatUrunning.com www.whatUrunning.com blog

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                leppie
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                Thanks for the link :) I couldn't remember it (see above message).

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                  whatUrunning.com wrote:

                  Does your PC become sluggish after a few days without a fresh reboot?

                  Not at all. Why would it?

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                  leppie
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                  Same here, I reboot about once a month, so updates can be applied. Else I probably would not.

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                  • G Graham Bradshaw

                    whatUrunning.com wrote:

                    Does your PC become sluggish after a few days without a fresh reboot?

                    Not at all. Why would it?

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                    whatUrunning com
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                    I guess it depends on what your using but small memory leaks can cause things to slow down. I do remember using hibernate on an XP machine a few years back and after 2-3 days it ran dog slow.

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                      Thanks for the link :) I couldn't remember it (see above message).

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                      I thought there was a youtube vid of the guys demonstrating it, can't find it now though.

                      www.whatUrunning.com www.whatUrunning.com blog

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                        Thanks for the link :) I couldn't remember it (see above message).

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                        whatUrunning com
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                        here we go[^]

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                        • W whatUrunning com

                          I guess it depends on what your using but small memory leaks can cause things to slow down. I do remember using hibernate on an XP machine a few years back and after 2-3 days it ran dog slow.

                          www.whatUrunning.com www.whatUrunning.com blog

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                          Graham Bradshaw
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                          whatUrunning.com wrote:

                          small memory leaks can cause things to slow down

                          If a desktop process leaks, just close it down and reopen it. No need for a reboot. A service that leaks is more of a problem, but even then, usually you can just stop and start the service.

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                          • W whatUrunning com

                            Its quite a bold statement but not quite what it seems, full article here[^]

                            www.whatUrunning.com www.whatUrunning.com blog

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                            Maybe but certainly not on any of mine.

                            Software Kinetics - Moving software

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                            • W whatUrunning com

                              I've always had network problems resuming from hibernate, maybe its because I regularily connect to several VPNs. Does your PC become sluggish after a few days without a fresh reboot?

                              www.whatUrunning.com www.whatUrunning.com blog

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                              Rajesh R Subramanian
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                              whatUrunning.com wrote:

                              Does your PC become sluggish after a few days without a fresh reboot?

                              If you are running applications that leak memory, then yes.

                              It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini

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                              • G Graham Bradshaw

                                But why turn off instead of hibernating? A hibernated PC consumes no power at all, but saves all the "state", so when you turn on again, you're instantly* back where you started. * subject to copying a memory image from disk, of course

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                                Graham Shanks
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                                Graham Bradshaw wrote:

                                But why turn off instead of hibernating

                                Because you need to have enough disk space to store the memory image and when you're short of disk space... Because if a laptop connected to the company network is hibernated you resume when no longer connected to the network then Windows searches for absolutely ages for network drives that no longer exist...

                                Graham Librarians rule, Ook!

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                                  Graham Bradshaw wrote:

                                  But why turn off instead of hibernating

                                  Because you need to have enough disk space to store the memory image and when you're short of disk space... Because if a laptop connected to the company network is hibernated you resume when no longer connected to the network then Windows searches for absolutely ages for network drives that no longer exist...

                                  Graham Librarians rule, Ook!

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                                  Graham Bradshaw
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                                  Graham Shanks wrote:

                                  Because you need to have enough disk space to store the memory image and when you're short of disk space...

                                  True, but the hibernation file goes in the root of the system drive (and its location can't be changed). If you are that short of space on the system drive, you're asking for trouble anyway.

                                  Graham Shanks wrote:

                                  Because if a laptop connected to the company network is hibernated you resume when no longer connected to the network

                                  Again, true, but I'm thinking more of the "go home for the evening... ... come back in the morning" scenario, when the network would still be there.

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                                    Graham Shanks wrote:

                                    Because you need to have enough disk space to store the memory image and when you're short of disk space...

                                    True, but the hibernation file goes in the root of the system drive (and its location can't be changed). If you are that short of space on the system drive, you're asking for trouble anyway.

                                    Graham Shanks wrote:

                                    Because if a laptop connected to the company network is hibernated you resume when no longer connected to the network

                                    Again, true, but I'm thinking more of the "go home for the evening... ... come back in the morning" scenario, when the network would still be there.

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                                    Graham Shanks
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                                    Free disk space: 444 MB Disk space requried to hibernate: 2,048 MB And yes, it requires careful management :(

                                    Graham Librarians rule, Ook!

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                                    • W whatUrunning com

                                      Its quite a bold statement but not quite what it seems, full article here[^]

                                      www.whatUrunning.com www.whatUrunning.com blog

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                                      Dan Neely
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                                      If they'd just stop loading the @#)($ bloatware they could get sub 30s boots from their windows images as well.

                                      Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

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                                      • W whatUrunning com

                                        Its quite a bold statement but not quite what it seems, full article here[^]

                                        www.whatUrunning.com www.whatUrunning.com blog

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                                        Tom Deketelaere
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                                        I'v found that linux actually boots slower than windows (ofcourse the laptop where I have linux on is over 7years old), could ofcourse be because I don't know much about linux and it's set up is probably wrong but still. I installed it because I wanted to test linux and because windows didn't work to well anymore on the laptop but it always booted faster. Linux takes about 2-3min before it's booted (like I said very old laptop) and windows XP (on the same laptop) took about 1 min but then took ages to open an application where linux works very nice once booted. Anyway like I said it's an very old laptop and I probably have linux set up completly wrong

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                                          I'v found that linux actually boots slower than windows (ofcourse the laptop where I have linux on is over 7years old), could ofcourse be because I don't know much about linux and it's set up is probably wrong but still. I installed it because I wanted to test linux and because windows didn't work to well anymore on the laptop but it always booted faster. Linux takes about 2-3min before it's booted (like I said very old laptop) and windows XP (on the same laptop) took about 1 min but then took ages to open an application where linux works very nice once booted. Anyway like I said it's an very old laptop and I probably have linux set up completly wrong

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                                          whatUrunning com
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                                          There are several light linux distributions suited to older hardware which you could try. Checkout TinyMe[^]

                                          www.whatUrunning.com www.whatUrunning.com blog

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