Pity vote?
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I'm afraid I don't understand this: http://www.codeproject.com/script/Surveys/Results.aspx?srvid=844[^] Is this a pity vote or what is going on? Even if you are a friend of this guy, the real work of other authors is being disrespected.
The problem comes down to awareness. Johns article is good. Many people are aware of it because it has been discussed here several times during it's creation (originally as a forum post) and subsequent posting as an article. John also brought attention to it on the voting page. Thus many people know about it, thus many people vote for it. I would bet most of the people who voted for it didn't read all the other articles available for voting on. The other contenders are equally as welcome to advertise and market their articles to raise awareness. This is democracy. It has it's flaws, sometimes it sucks, but it's the best system we have. Currently, of all 5 million+ CP members, more of them would choose Johns article over the other choices. the fact that most of the members don't care enough to cast a vote, and those that do quite possibly haven't made the effort to review all the available options is fairly irrelevant. [I decided not to vote, despite finding Johns article quite interesting, mainly because I don't have time to properly read all 10 articles and make a valid judgement]
Simon
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I'm afraid I don't understand this: http://www.codeproject.com/script/Surveys/Results.aspx?srvid=844[^] Is this a pity vote or what is going on? Even if you are a friend of this guy, the real work of other authors is being disrespected.
DaTxomin wrote:
the real work of other authors is being disrespected.
Can you please cite examples of this disrespect?
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DaTxomin wrote:
the real work of other authors is being disrespected.
Can you please cite examples of this disrespect?
Recent blog posts: *Method hiding Vs. overriding *Microsoft Surface *SQL Server / Visual Studio install order My Blog
He apparently thinks that my notoriety is the reason for the votes rather than the merit of the article, and this somehow equates to some for of disrespect. I think the votes it's getting is because many people here know that if I get mad, I'll unleash Chuck Norris to exact some violent form of retribution on those that don't show the proper amount of fear and dread when dealing with me. Remember, Chuck can only count to eternity because *I* taught him how.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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I'm afraid I don't understand this: http://www.codeproject.com/script/Surveys/Results.aspx?srvid=844[^] Is this a pity vote or what is going on? Even if you are a friend of this guy, the real work of other authors is being disrespected.
I think it is more due to "campaigning" and publicity of the article. More people know about this article than any other article in the list. I will not call it "pity".
Proud to be a CPHog user
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I'm afraid I don't understand this: http://www.codeproject.com/script/Surveys/Results.aspx?srvid=844[^] Is this a pity vote or what is going on? Even if you are a friend of this guy, the real work of other authors is being disrespected.
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I'm afraid I don't understand this: http://www.codeproject.com/script/Surveys/Results.aspx?srvid=844[^] Is this a pity vote or what is going on? Even if you are a friend of this guy, the real work of other authors is being disrespected.
DaTxomin wrote:
Is this a pity vote
No.
DaTxomin wrote:
if you are a friend of this guy
I like John. He and I usually see eye to eye on things. He's a little more, er, direct in how he expresses it.
DaTxomin wrote:
the real work of other authors is being disrespected
You're making two judgement calls here. Your phrase "the real work" implies that John's article is not 'real work', which could not be more wrong. Secondly, you are also stating that any positive vote for John's article is disrespectful of other authors. That's simply prejudicial on your part.
Software Zen:
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I seriously doubt it. Sure, I whine a lot about the article voting system, but there's enough people here that "pity voting" would not be a factor. On the other hand, I often rely on the kindness of strangers. [EDIT] BTW, the article in question has been generally well-received in its own right (129+ votes and a popularity > 9.50), and if it wasn't, it wouldn't be on the list in the first place. I'm glad it's on a list, but it was kind of unexpected because it isn't about a given language. As far as disrespecting the work of the other developers, I don't think that's the case. I haven't asked that others vote for my article (in the contest), and there are two weeks remaining in the voting period, so anything could happen. If my article wins, great. If someone else's does, great.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Have been watching "Steel Magnolias"? Have you grown a pair of boobs over the weekend? Have you kidnapped the real John Simmons? What the hell kind of a response was that? It was modest, measured, polite, to the point, devoid of innuendo, insults, or offensive ideas, and completely mature. All this to a question that surely begs for some mocking! Puhlease! Please, please, please tell this isn't going to be a trend? Bring back the real John Simmons, or if he's not been kidnapped, please take some time to watch a few Chuck Norris films to counteract any excess estrogen you may be producing...
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog
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The problem comes down to awareness. Johns article is good. Many people are aware of it because it has been discussed here several times during it's creation (originally as a forum post) and subsequent posting as an article. John also brought attention to it on the voting page. Thus many people know about it, thus many people vote for it. I would bet most of the people who voted for it didn't read all the other articles available for voting on. The other contenders are equally as welcome to advertise and market their articles to raise awareness. This is democracy. It has it's flaws, sometimes it sucks, but it's the best system we have. Currently, of all 5 million+ CP members, more of them would choose Johns article over the other choices. the fact that most of the members don't care enough to cast a vote, and those that do quite possibly haven't made the effort to review all the available options is fairly irrelevant. [I decided not to vote, despite finding Johns article quite interesting, mainly because I don't have time to properly read all 10 articles and make a valid judgement]
Simon
Simon Stevens wrote:
The problem comes down to awareness.
This is a common issue in all the programming business, and I think that more people should be aware of it. CodeProject is not alone, and I don't think should be singled out, or go out of the way to make this horribly easy. Most of a programmer's life is based on awareness. You get your job by making businesses aware of your skills and applying for jobs and surviving interviews. If you ever get to market you have to deal with awareness, if you stay away from the market you still deal with awareness inside your company of what you do. Even if I could write an article on programming a quake style game with full 3D physics and interactive AI. I don't care how good the article is, in my mind or anyone else's, if I fail to get awareness of it out there in time, and John succeeds in greater awareness, he deserves the prize. In all the arguments about Vista, Blu-Ray, Linux, Office, and an infinite number of other arguments that can be rehashed (sometimes word for word by only changing the subject), the "best" man does actually win, but "best" has nothing to do with absolute superiority/quality in every possible opinion known to man. We can get outvoted on a feature, or article, and that *IS* how it should be. Awareness is EXTREMELY important in all aspects of our profession.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
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DaTxomin wrote:
Is this a pity vote
No.
DaTxomin wrote:
if you are a friend of this guy
I like John. He and I usually see eye to eye on things. He's a little more, er, direct in how he expresses it.
DaTxomin wrote:
the real work of other authors is being disrespected
You're making two judgement calls here. Your phrase "the real work" implies that John's article is not 'real work', which could not be more wrong. Secondly, you are also stating that any positive vote for John's article is disrespectful of other authors. That's simply prejudicial on your part.
Software Zen:
delete this;Gary Wheeler wrote:
He's a little more, er, direct in how he expresses it.
That is like saying if you jump out a 4th story window you will feel a "little more ground" than just walking around. :laugh:
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
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Gary Wheeler wrote:
He's a little more, er, direct in how he expresses it.
That is like saying if you jump out a 4th story window you will feel a "little more ground" than just walking around. :laugh:
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
It's only the last foot or so that's the problem.
Software Zen:
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It's only the last foot or so that's the problem.
Software Zen:
delete this;not for me.... I would be unconscious before the last foot, no problem. it would be the first few feet of psychological terror that would be more of a problem.... of course the last few feet makes the first few feet moot, so I guess none of them are really a problem. ;P
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
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I'm afraid I don't understand this: http://www.codeproject.com/script/Surveys/Results.aspx?srvid=844[^] Is this a pity vote or what is going on? Even if you are a friend of this guy, the real work of other authors is being disrespected.
In addition to what others have said... John's article applies to more people and as such it is going to get more votes. For example, SBJ's article on integrating MVC within MFC is certainly a well written article, but is only going to be applicable to those who, #1 use MFC, or #2 are at least interested in using the MVC architecture. Fewer people interested in the article = less votes.
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Pity? No. I don't write in C++, therefore I don't vote on the articles. I like what John had to say... it makes sense! Would I put it in C++? My guess is, John decided the category, so, that is his choice. Tim
Actually, I didn't decide the category. In fact, I thought it wasn't eligible in the first place because it doesn't really have anything to do with a specific language.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Have been watching "Steel Magnolias"? Have you grown a pair of boobs over the weekend? Have you kidnapped the real John Simmons? What the hell kind of a response was that? It was modest, measured, polite, to the point, devoid of innuendo, insults, or offensive ideas, and completely mature. All this to a question that surely begs for some mocking! Puhlease! Please, please, please tell this isn't going to be a trend? Bring back the real John Simmons, or if he's not been kidnapped, please take some time to watch a few Chuck Norris films to counteract any excess estrogen you may be producing...
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog
I can still be the real John Simmons when the need arises. I've been making a concerted effort to be a bit less abrasive. Besides that, every time I let loose on someone, retribution is applied via article voting. Some folks simply can't separate forum postings from article quality. Since Chris doesn't currently have the resources to address the issue, I have to take my own steps to protect my article ratings.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Simon Stevens wrote:
The problem comes down to awareness.
This is a common issue in all the programming business, and I think that more people should be aware of it. CodeProject is not alone, and I don't think should be singled out, or go out of the way to make this horribly easy. Most of a programmer's life is based on awareness. You get your job by making businesses aware of your skills and applying for jobs and surviving interviews. If you ever get to market you have to deal with awareness, if you stay away from the market you still deal with awareness inside your company of what you do. Even if I could write an article on programming a quake style game with full 3D physics and interactive AI. I don't care how good the article is, in my mind or anyone else's, if I fail to get awareness of it out there in time, and John succeeds in greater awareness, he deserves the prize. In all the arguments about Vista, Blu-Ray, Linux, Office, and an infinite number of other arguments that can be rehashed (sometimes word for word by only changing the subject), the "best" man does actually win, but "best" has nothing to do with absolute superiority/quality in every possible opinion known to man. We can get outvoted on a feature, or article, and that *IS* how it should be. Awareness is EXTREMELY important in all aspects of our profession.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
I totally agree. This is kind of the point I was trying to make. You have said it far more succinctly than me though. Nice one.
Simon
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not for me.... I would be unconscious before the last foot, no problem. it would be the first few feet of psychological terror that would be more of a problem.... of course the last few feet makes the first few feet moot, so I guess none of them are really a problem. ;P
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
But if you get distracted and simply forget to hit the ground, you'll be flying. :-D
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But if you get distracted and simply forget to hit the ground, you'll be flying. :-D
THAT would be cool! okay... I am now taking applications from ladies willing to distract me from hitting the ground. first one to succeed gets half the receipts when we take the show on the road!
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
