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Indeed, I do thank them, and the teachers and parents who brought up such men, of who's like we now have so few. It is a good day to remember not only the soldiers who have died to gain our freedom but also the civillians who sacrificied, toiled and died for a better world especially through the first half of 20th Century. Even more than that it reminds me of the responsibility we all have to preserve what they have won for us.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
Aw, man. I had to vote you a 5.
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The French did not 'fold' in WW1. Dunkirk ring any bells? The Allied forces that kicked the Germans out in WW2, not the British.
Bob Emmett
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It is the soldier who has made all of this necessary. (We can all spout crap when we want to.)
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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Soldiers do not start wars, Politicians do, and who elect the politicians, The People. Soldiers Only do the bidding of the people.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
Ah, soldiers dont start wars but soldiers did start freedom of the press, freedom of speach, and democracy? Horse crap. Soldiers are just hired muscle. Hired by what ever tyrant or idealist happens to be in vogue.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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There were soldiers and freedom long before there was a Descartes. And if you knew history, you'd discover that many of the greatest philosophers of ancient Greece had been soldiers and fought for their state in their youth. Indeed. Even Descartes was a graduate of a military academy who became a soldier in the army of Bohemia from 1619-1620.
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It is not surprising you have no respect for the Soldiers. Quick, Le Drapeau Blanc! The French folded quicker than a man with a nine high in every war they fought. The White Cross on the White Field. The Brits have had to go to France twice in the 20th Century to kick the Germans out. So take your trite, offensive attitude and stuff it into a history book!
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
Actually, I am English, and I have a lot of friends in the Army, UK army that is, Paras, 49 Comando, Signals, D&D's. I just dont have any respect for Oakmans sentimental simplicity, especially as he chooses today to foist tit on us in a lame attempt to gain popularity. I am surprised it isnt as obvious to you what he is playing at. And he is wrong.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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That is the first time I've ever seen politicians referred to as 'a higher mind'.
fat_boy wrote:
It was that higher mind that gave us freedom.
The philosophers indeed conceived the idea, and politicians promoted it, but is was bought with the blood of the fallen, not the thoughts of philosophers nor words of politicians"
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Indeed, I do thank them, and the teachers and parents who brought up such men, of who's like we now have so few. It is a good day to remember not only the soldiers who have died to gain our freedom but also the civillians who sacrificied, toiled and died for a better world especially through the first half of 20th Century. Even more than that it reminds me of the responsibility we all have to preserve what they have won for us.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
I actually quite like germany and germans. Much preferable to many english people I know. So in what way did 6 million dead achieve and why shold I remember them? Fact is you are being fed a lie. You, the dead, the army, are all there to serve the establishment, and you are fed lies to keep you thinking they serve you. They dont. They serve your masters, not you. If you want graphic proof of this look at the way the police arrested the ex prisoners of the japanese who protested when the japanese emperor came to london. Not only is protest legal in the UK, these ex-prisoners of war were treated badly by the japanese. But the UK govetnment sent out the message and th epolice, who also act as hired muscle, carried out the governments wishes. You are nothing to these people, they just uses, and abuse you and dont give a good god damn about you.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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I actually quite like germany and germans. Much preferable to many english people I know. So in what way did 6 million dead achieve and why shold I remember them? Fact is you are being fed a lie. You, the dead, the army, are all there to serve the establishment, and you are fed lies to keep you thinking they serve you. They dont. They serve your masters, not you. If you want graphic proof of this look at the way the police arrested the ex prisoners of the japanese who protested when the japanese emperor came to london. Not only is protest legal in the UK, these ex-prisoners of war were treated badly by the japanese. But the UK govetnment sent out the message and th epolice, who also act as hired muscle, carried out the governments wishes. You are nothing to these people, they just uses, and abuse you and dont give a good god damn about you.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
I actually quite like germany and germans
That became obvious when you said you wished they'd won WWI - I wonder, did you think they'd fight without soldiers?
fat_boy wrote:
You, the dead, the army, are all there to serve the establishment
Probably true in France. It certainly was true in Germany during WWI and WWII.
fat_boy wrote:
the police arrested
clue: police != soldiers. I imagine it is a distinction too fine for you to make, but it exists, nonetheless.
fat_boy wrote:
You are nothing to these people, they just uses, and abuse you and dont give a good god damn about you.
You are still talking about soldiers? No. I thought not. Is that A.D.D?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Actually, I am English, and I have a lot of friends in the Army, UK army that is, Paras, 49 Comando, Signals, D&D's. I just dont have any respect for Oakmans sentimental simplicity, especially as he chooses today to foist tit on us in a lame attempt to gain popularity. I am surprised it isnt as obvious to you what he is playing at. And he is wrong.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
Actually, I am English, and I have a lot of friends in the Army, UK army that is, Paras, 49 Comando, Signals, D&D's.
That's what you keep claiming, though i think you're lying. If I'm wrong, why don't you tell them that they're responsible for the death of 13 million in Germany?
fat_boy wrote:
And he is wrong.
fat_boy wrote:
lame attempt to gain popularity.
Yeah. I'm big on that :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
fat_boy wrote:
And he is wrong.
Wrong about what? Descartes, your "higher mind" (whatever the fuck that is) example having been a soldier?
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It is not surprising you have no respect for the Soldiers. Quick, Le Drapeau Blanc! The French folded quicker than a man with a nine high in every war they fought. The White Cross on the White Field. The Brits have had to go to France twice in the 20th Century to kick the Germans out. So take your trite, offensive attitude and stuff it into a history book!
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
US soldiers saved our a**es in wwii, both true for French and Brits. Had they not been there, the Brits would not have lasted much longer against the Germans.
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Oh you fucking tool. Descartes is only an example. Holy fucking shit dont tell me you can be that stupid!
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Soldiers do not start wars, Politicians do, and who elect the politicians, The People. Soldiers Only do the bidding of the people.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
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Bob Emmett wrote:
The Allied forces that kicked the Germans out in WW2
Were comprised primarily of Brits and US soldiers.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Bob Emmett wrote:
The Allied forces that kicked the Germans out in WW2
Were comprised primarily of Brits and US soldiers.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Yes, and I always acknowledge Europe's debt to the US, and also to Canada, Oz, NZ, India, and all who fought against the Axis powers. We have museums and a library commemorating the USAAF stationed here in WW2. (Some game veterans still make the pilgrimage!) I just hate to see any nation's soldiers described as cowardly.
Bob Emmett
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fat_boy wrote:
I actually quite like germany and germans
That became obvious when you said you wished they'd won WWI - I wonder, did you think they'd fight without soldiers?
fat_boy wrote:
You, the dead, the army, are all there to serve the establishment
Probably true in France. It certainly was true in Germany during WWI and WWII.
fat_boy wrote:
the police arrested
clue: police != soldiers. I imagine it is a distinction too fine for you to make, but it exists, nonetheless.
fat_boy wrote:
You are nothing to these people, they just uses, and abuse you and dont give a good god damn about you.
You are still talking about soldiers? No. I thought not. Is that A.D.D?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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fat_boy wrote:
Actually, I am English, and I have a lot of friends in the Army, UK army that is, Paras, 49 Comando, Signals, D&D's.
That's what you keep claiming, though i think you're lying. If I'm wrong, why don't you tell them that they're responsible for the death of 13 million in Germany?
fat_boy wrote:
And he is wrong.
fat_boy wrote:
lame attempt to gain popularity.
Yeah. I'm big on that :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
fat_boy wrote:
And he is wrong.
Wrong about what? Descartes, your "higher mind" (whatever the fuck that is) example having been a soldier?
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fat_boy wrote:
Descartes is only an example.
Which is why I mentioned an entire class of men: Greek Philosophers. You were the "fucking tool" who only had a single example, dumb-ass.
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Regarding your question yesterday. Tune in (if you can) to BBC4tv tonight. 8.10pm "The Great War - An exploration of the aftermath of WW1" and 10pm "Timewatch - The Last Day of WW1 (last in series)" and 11pm "What Did You Do In The Great War, Daddy? - children of men who died during WW1" You may find them interesting, and may answer your questions of yesterday.