What is everyone using for thier presentation layer?
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I have been doing asp.net (and ajax) for a while. While I have taken the time to learn 3.5, WCF and LINQ. I have not invested any energy in learning the new presentation tools. I am just curious if the rest of you have and if so what you are using. Anyone think I am missing out and that I should move away from ASP.Net? Do you use any of the following? ASP.Net (including AJAX) Win Forms WPF SilverLight Other.
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WinForms... when I need it; I write mostly Windows Services.
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I have been doing asp.net (and ajax) for a while. While I have taken the time to learn 3.5, WCF and LINQ. I have not invested any energy in learning the new presentation tools. I am just curious if the rest of you have and if so what you are using. Anyone think I am missing out and that I should move away from ASP.Net? Do you use any of the following? ASP.Net (including AJAX) Win Forms WPF SilverLight Other.
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The DOS command prompt.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
oh man I love it. It's definately a breath of fresh air. Yeah, it's very easy to integrate. What we are doing it hosting WCF services in IIS that return strings to Flex. The strings are XML serialized LINQ objects. So we just use LINQ to query SQL Server, serialize the LINQ object to an xml string, modify the xml with Flex, pass the xml back to WCF where it gets deserialized back to a LINQ object, then update the db. It's awesome. With Flex Builder 3 you just import the WSDL generated by WCF, and FB 3 creates the required Actionscript classes you need to call the WCF service. There is a special thing you have to do to "flatten" the generated WSDL so Flex can understand it, but it's worth it for the killer UI you get with Flex. ok, boy I'm getting winded, you can see my excitement...
The one thing that I've found cumbersome with the standard quick and dirty web services tools is that they don't really support object graphs, but just straight object trees. Are you running into these kinds of issues too?
Wout
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I have been doing asp.net (and ajax) for a while. While I have taken the time to learn 3.5, WCF and LINQ. I have not invested any energy in learning the new presentation tools. I am just curious if the rest of you have and if so what you are using. Anyone think I am missing out and that I should move away from ASP.Net? Do you use any of the following? ASP.Net (including AJAX) Win Forms WPF SilverLight Other.
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Winforms, ASP.NET, and PHP. Of course I find the other layers more important than presentation so I spend most of my time there, making sure they are right and treat the presentation as interchangeable and unimportant.
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Win32 controls (MFC), custom-rendered controls (MFC), custom-rendered controls (raw Win32), custom-rendered controls (OpenGL), HTML, HTML+JS, XSLT+HTML+JS, Sharpie-on-wall, WinForms (mostly still Win32).
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
ditto... err... I use the same. :-D
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The one thing that I've found cumbersome with the standard quick and dirty web services tools is that they don't really support object graphs, but just straight object trees. Are you running into these kinds of issues too?
Wout
No, no issues of that sort. I guess I'm not familiar with the terms object graphs and object trees either. Our WCF service just gets LINQ objects, serializes them to an xml string, and hands them to Flex, and then the reverse. It works tremendously well.
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No, no issues of that sort. I guess I'm not familiar with the terms object graphs and object trees either. Our WCF service just gets LINQ objects, serializes them to an xml string, and hands them to Flex, and then the reverse. It works tremendously well.
Yeah, once you run into it you'll know! An object graph is e.g. this: instance A references instance B, but instance C also references instance B. So B is shared by A and C. So now it's not a nice tree anymore, and XML is suited best for trees. So to handle graphs, you need to give an ID to each object so you can reference them from other places.
Wout
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Yeah, once you run into it you'll know! An object graph is e.g. this: instance A references instance B, but instance C also references instance B. So B is shared by A and C. So now it's not a nice tree anymore, and XML is suited best for trees. So to handle graphs, you need to give an ID to each object so you can reference them from other places.
Wout
I see. :wtf: That does sound like a bitch. Oh wait a minute, yeah I guess there is a similar issue with serializing LINQ objects to xml. In order for it to work right, you have to set up your associations between your LINQ objects correctly, otherwise you get circular references and the object's can't be serialized. It's easy to set up though.
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I see. :wtf: That does sound like a bitch. Oh wait a minute, yeah I guess there is a similar issue with serializing LINQ objects to xml. In order for it to work right, you have to set up your associations between your LINQ objects correctly, otherwise you get circular references and the object's can't be serialized. It's easy to set up though.
Yeah, to do any kind of object graphs, also circular references should be possible. The neatest thing that just works without any issues: plain old .NET serialization. I was just curious how to handle it properly in the web services world.
Wout
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Winforms, ASP.NET, and PHP. Of course I find the other layers more important than presentation so I spend most of my time there, making sure they are right and treat the presentation as interchangeable and unimportant.
Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway
Most of this sig is for Google, not ego.Hear hear.
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Yeah, to do any kind of object graphs, also circular references should be possible. The neatest thing that just works without any issues: plain old .NET serialization. I was just curious how to handle it properly in the web services world.
Wout
Yeah you're right. That is what we are using .NET Serialization. Particularly the XmlSerializer object. LINQ and WCF are both .NET 3.x technologies.
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The DOS command prompt.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001God bless ya John. You're one of the unchanging constants in the universe. That got a 5 from me! :laugh:
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I have been doing asp.net (and ajax) for a while. While I have taken the time to learn 3.5, WCF and LINQ. I have not invested any energy in learning the new presentation tools. I am just curious if the rest of you have and if so what you are using. Anyone think I am missing out and that I should move away from ASP.Net? Do you use any of the following? ASP.Net (including AJAX) Win Forms WPF SilverLight Other.
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I recently did a quick foray into Silverlight because I want to write a web front-end to Interacx. I guess I found it frustrating, but I didn't spend a lot of time on it. Instead, I ended up opting to use Telerik's Ajax ASP.NET controls. Telerik also has a pre-release available of some Silverlight stuff, but it's too early still, though I will look at it later when it (and Silverlight) matures more. I guess part of my decision to stick with ASP.NET is that it's a lot more comprehensive. Otherwise, for WinForm stuff, I typically use MyXaml and standard WinForm controls, although I have licenses for both DevExpress and Infragistics if I need something truly fancy. Marc
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I have been doing asp.net (and ajax) for a while. While I have taken the time to learn 3.5, WCF and LINQ. I have not invested any energy in learning the new presentation tools. I am just curious if the rest of you have and if so what you are using. Anyone think I am missing out and that I should move away from ASP.Net? Do you use any of the following? ASP.Net (including AJAX) Win Forms WPF SilverLight Other.
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I have been doing asp.net (and ajax) for a while. While I have taken the time to learn 3.5, WCF and LINQ. I have not invested any energy in learning the new presentation tools. I am just curious if the rest of you have and if so what you are using. Anyone think I am missing out and that I should move away from ASP.Net? Do you use any of the following? ASP.Net (including AJAX) Win Forms WPF SilverLight Other.
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Oh ... and I forgot ... RFGen :)
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The DOS command prompt.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Command prompt is for girls! Keypunch rocks! ;P
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Oh ... and I forgot ... RFGen :)
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
ASP.Net (including AJAX)
Yes.
ToddHileHoffer wrote:
Win Forms
Yes.
ToddHileHoffer wrote:
WPF
Yes.
ToddHileHoffer wrote:
SilverLight
Investigating.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
SilverLight Investigating.
Same here.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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I have been doing asp.net (and ajax) for a while. While I have taken the time to learn 3.5, WCF and LINQ. I have not invested any energy in learning the new presentation tools. I am just curious if the rest of you have and if so what you are using. Anyone think I am missing out and that I should move away from ASP.Net? Do you use any of the following? ASP.Net (including AJAX) Win Forms WPF SilverLight Other.
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Today, I used the Console and MFC. The several daysy, I used nothing--the app had no presentation layer (unless you count the log file) and I was working on library code.
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I recently did a quick foray into Silverlight because I want to write a web front-end to Interacx. I guess I found it frustrating, but I didn't spend a lot of time on it. Instead, I ended up opting to use Telerik's Ajax ASP.NET controls. Telerik also has a pre-release available of some Silverlight stuff, but it's too early still, though I will look at it later when it (and Silverlight) matures more. I guess part of my decision to stick with ASP.NET is that it's a lot more comprehensive. Otherwise, for WinForm stuff, I typically use MyXaml and standard WinForm controls, although I have licenses for both DevExpress and Infragistics if I need something truly fancy. Marc
I have been bugging my boss to get me the Telerik AJAX controls and they finally agreed. They are just super. I can't even describe how good they are compared to the ajax toolkit that I was using...
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