Pirates Arrghhh!
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Yep! Instead of blowing them out of the water we have to pay to imprison them, then offer them asylum cos they would be shot if we sent them back to Somalia!
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
Speaking generally, the rule should be that any immigrant or asylum seeker who turns out to be a criminal should be deported to their country of origin. What happens to them then should be no concern of ours. Most of the British public agrees with this the last I heard.
Kevin
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I thought I heard/seen it all but this is way out there :sigh:
Dalek Dave wrote:
Instead of blowing them out of the water we have to pay to imprison them, then offer them asylum cos they would be shot if we sent them back to Somalia!
Kinda reminds me off the situation here. People actually commit crimes to go to prison because there the equivalent of a 5 star hotel (that's actually how we call them). The problem we have now is that the prisons are overcrowded so the real criminals just get released because of 'no room' (or have house arrest, like that is going to help) Ah there is so much wrong with the justice system here that its depressing to think about it. So back to work for me (although its a slow day :sigh: ) [EDIT]Typo [/EDIT]
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Tom deketelaere wrote:
Ah there is so much wrong with the justice system here that its depressing to think about it.
Yeah, blowing them out of the water is real justice. Huzzah! (Why do you guys think piracy should be treated differently to hijacking?)
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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I thought I heard/seen it all but this is way out there :sigh:
Dalek Dave wrote:
Instead of blowing them out of the water we have to pay to imprison them, then offer them asylum cos they would be shot if we sent them back to Somalia!
Kinda reminds me off the situation here. People actually commit crimes to go to prison because there the equivalent of a 5 star hotel (that's actually how we call them). The problem we have now is that the prisons are overcrowded so the real criminals just get released because of 'no room' (or have house arrest, like that is going to help) Ah there is so much wrong with the justice system here that its depressing to think about it. So back to work for me (although its a slow day :sigh: ) [EDIT]Typo [/EDIT]
modified on Wednesday, November 19, 2008 5:10 AM
Yeah, I also cant help but feel the Killers of "Baby P" will be out within 10 years on good behaviour (another stupid rule)
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I thought I heard/seen it all but this is way out there :sigh:
Dalek Dave wrote:
Instead of blowing them out of the water we have to pay to imprison them, then offer them asylum cos they would be shot if we sent them back to Somalia!
Kinda reminds me off the situation here. People actually commit crimes to go to prison because there the equivalent of a 5 star hotel (that's actually how we call them). The problem we have now is that the prisons are overcrowded so the real criminals just get released because of 'no room' (or have house arrest, like that is going to help) Ah there is so much wrong with the justice system here that its depressing to think about it. So back to work for me (although its a slow day :sigh: ) [EDIT]Typo [/EDIT]
modified on Wednesday, November 19, 2008 5:10 AM
Tom deketelaere wrote:
People actually commit crimes to go to prison because there the equivalent of a 5 star hotel (that's actually how we call them).
Sounds familiar. There are even cases of drug dealers breaking into prisons to supply drugs and prisoners choosing not to follow them back out!
Kevin
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Given the current predilection of piracy round the horn of Africa I make the following suggestions. The country in which the ship is registered should send it's navy to blast the pirates out of the sea. Piracy is currently seen in international law as an act of war, so the country from which the pirates come should be bombed. If necessary sink the vessel they have boarded in order to stop them. Do not alter the status of Piracy to Criminal Act, like the British Government is trying to do, it will only mean killing pirates becomes a crime and we will need to give them a fair trial.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
Dalek Dave wrote:
The country in which the ship is registered should send it's navy to blast the pirates out of the sea.
But if it's registered in a country run by a dubious regime, or one with an ineffective navy (e.g. Oz in December ;) ) they'll do nothing. PS - "it's navy"??? You're slipping, Dave!
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Tom deketelaere wrote:
Ah there is so much wrong with the justice system here that its depressing to think about it.
Yeah, blowing them out of the water is real justice. Huzzah! (Why do you guys think piracy should be treated differently to hijacking?)
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
Paul Watson wrote:
Yeah, blowing them out of the water is real justice. Huzzah!
Didn't say that just said that the justice system has alot of holes in it. I'm more for the 'deport them back to there country no matter what' solution. Or put them all together on an island and let them figure it out for themself. O wait that was a movie :)
Paul Watson wrote:
(Why do you guys think piracy should be treated differently to hijacking?)
Isn't that basicly the same (just differant wording) ?
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Given the current predilection of piracy round the horn of Africa I make the following suggestions. The country in which the ship is registered should send it's navy to blast the pirates out of the sea. Piracy is currently seen in international law as an act of war, so the country from which the pirates come should be bombed. If necessary sink the vessel they have boarded in order to stop them. Do not alter the status of Piracy to Criminal Act, like the British Government is trying to do, it will only mean killing pirates becomes a crime and we will need to give them a fair trial.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
Dalek Dave wrote:
Given the current predilection of piracy round the horn of Africa I make the following suggestions. The country in which the ship is registered should send it's navy to blast the pirates out of the sea. Piracy is currently seen in international law as an act of war, so the country from which the pirates come should be bombed. If necessary sink the vessel they have boarded in order to stop them. Do not alter the status of Piracy to Criminal Act, like the British Government is trying to do, it will only mean killing pirates becomes a crime and we will need to give them a fair trial.
Would the above apply to someone if they were to hire a boat and burn an ISO to CD-Rom without permission (Software Piracy on the high Seas)?
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Given the current predilection of piracy round the horn of Africa I make the following suggestions. The country in which the ship is registered should send it's navy to blast the pirates out of the sea. Piracy is currently seen in international law as an act of war, so the country from which the pirates come should be bombed. If necessary sink the vessel they have boarded in order to stop them. Do not alter the status of Piracy to Criminal Act, like the British Government is trying to do, it will only mean killing pirates becomes a crime and we will need to give them a fair trial.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
Dalek Dave wrote:
The country in which the ship is registered should send it's navy to blast the pirates out of the sea.
I agree.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Piracy is currently seen in international law as an act of war, so the country from which the pirates come should be bombed.
I don't agree. Somalia doesn't support piracy, they condemn it, but they don't have the means to stop it. You can imagine what kind of burden is to make order in such a chaotic country, where illegal groups are much more powerful than the government's forces.
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Given the current predilection of piracy round the horn of Africa I make the following suggestions. The country in which the ship is registered should send it's navy to blast the pirates out of the sea. Piracy is currently seen in international law as an act of war, so the country from which the pirates come should be bombed. If necessary sink the vessel they have boarded in order to stop them. Do not alter the status of Piracy to Criminal Act, like the British Government is trying to do, it will only mean killing pirates becomes a crime and we will need to give them a fair trial.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
Dalek Dave wrote:
If necessary sink the vessel they have boarded in order to stop them.
the crews of those vessels, who are being held as hostages, would likely disagree with your plan.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
If necessary sink the vessel they have boarded in order to stop them.
the crews of those vessels, who are being held as hostages, would likely disagree with your plan.
They are not kept on board, they are taken off to the land somewhere.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
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Tom deketelaere wrote:
People actually commit crimes to go to prison because there the equivalent of a 5 star hotel (that's actually how we call them).
Sounds familiar. There are even cases of drug dealers breaking into prisons to supply drugs and prisoners choosing not to follow them back out!
Kevin
Given that the rules for immigration are that it must be claimed at the first border the immigree (?) comes to, the UK is an island and very few asylum seekers come in by boat from their original country, we shouldn't have a problem. However, the PC brigade wouldn't dare allow the government to enforce it! The Canaries have an issue with boat travelling seekers, they're thrown into a tin shed at the airport and sent back within 24 hours if caught... Neil
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Yep! Instead of blowing them out of the water we have to pay to imprison them, then offer them asylum cos they would be shot if we sent them back to Somalia!
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
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They are not kept on board, they are taken off to the land somewhere.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
a. not all the time b. they'll be instantly killed, by water or by the hostage-takers, if someone tries to sink the vessel they came from
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I thought I heard/seen it all but this is way out there :sigh:
Dalek Dave wrote:
Instead of blowing them out of the water we have to pay to imprison them, then offer them asylum cos they would be shot if we sent them back to Somalia!
Kinda reminds me off the situation here. People actually commit crimes to go to prison because there the equivalent of a 5 star hotel (that's actually how we call them). The problem we have now is that the prisons are overcrowded so the real criminals just get released because of 'no room' (or have house arrest, like that is going to help) Ah there is so much wrong with the justice system here that its depressing to think about it. So back to work for me (although its a slow day :sigh: ) [EDIT]Typo [/EDIT]
modified on Wednesday, November 19, 2008 5:10 AM
Tom deketelaere wrote:
prisons are overcrowded
Aw isn't that a shame :) If this were not the Lounge boy... It would be 'go off' time.
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Given the current predilection of piracy round the horn of Africa I make the following suggestions. The country in which the ship is registered should send it's navy to blast the pirates out of the sea. Piracy is currently seen in international law as an act of war, so the country from which the pirates come should be bombed. If necessary sink the vessel they have boarded in order to stop them. Do not alter the status of Piracy to Criminal Act, like the British Government is trying to do, it will only mean killing pirates becomes a crime and we will need to give them a fair trial.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
Wow, it seems the British government is just as inept as the USA. I've read crazy stories about how criminals are always released from prison in England and now this...
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
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Given the current predilection of piracy round the horn of Africa I make the following suggestions. The country in which the ship is registered should send it's navy to blast the pirates out of the sea. Piracy is currently seen in international law as an act of war, so the country from which the pirates come should be bombed. If necessary sink the vessel they have boarded in order to stop them. Do not alter the status of Piracy to Criminal Act, like the British Government is trying to do, it will only mean killing pirates becomes a crime and we will need to give them a fair trial.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
Don't worry about the British Government and rules, just outsource the real work to India: India: Pirate 'mother ship' left in flames[^]. :laugh:
Wout
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Given the current predilection of piracy round the horn of Africa I make the following suggestions. The country in which the ship is registered should send it's navy to blast the pirates out of the sea. Piracy is currently seen in international law as an act of war, so the country from which the pirates come should be bombed. If necessary sink the vessel they have boarded in order to stop them. Do not alter the status of Piracy to Criminal Act, like the British Government is trying to do, it will only mean killing pirates becomes a crime and we will need to give them a fair trial.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
Would you recommend sinking a hijacked oil tanker laden with oil?
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Yep! Instead of blowing them out of the water we have to pay to imprison them, then offer them asylum cos they would be shot if we sent them back to Somalia!
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
Dalek Dave wrote:
cos they would be shot if we sent them back to Somalia!
actually the problem is that when we return them to Somalia absolutely nothing happens, and they're free to get another speedboat, a half dozen kalishnicopies and go back to work asap. The bigger problem is that the countries that the ships belong to/are crewed by almost universally choose to pay the ransom rather than risk a hostage being killed. Damn fools have forgotten the first law of the DaneGeld.
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Given the current predilection of piracy round the horn of Africa I make the following suggestions. The country in which the ship is registered should send it's navy to blast the pirates out of the sea. Piracy is currently seen in international law as an act of war, so the country from which the pirates come should be bombed. If necessary sink the vessel they have boarded in order to stop them. Do not alter the status of Piracy to Criminal Act, like the British Government is trying to do, it will only mean killing pirates becomes a crime and we will need to give them a fair trial.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
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Don't worry about the British Government and rules, just outsource the real work to India: India: Pirate 'mother ship' left in flames[^]. :laugh:
Wout
Once you see the Indian ship in this link (note the large forward gun turret), and given the fact that the Somali pirates were threating it using nothing more than RPG's, it's clear the pirates are either morons or suicidal, or both. :wtf: Maybe we need to bring back the old US PT boats from WW 2 (not the wood versions though!). They were very fast, carried multiple 50 cals, and sported 2 - 4 torpedo tubes as well. Or just send some Navy Tomcats over and eradicate them! http://www.pt-boat.com or http://flickr.com/search/?q=PT+Boat
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