Egypt hosts Arab piracy meeting
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Actually, using naval vessels to escort ships past the Aden straight is a pretty good idea (note I said Naval vessels, not "small armed ships"). Maybe Brazil could provide a couple,you know, to sort of do it's share in the world?
Rob Graham wrote:
using naval vessels to escort ships past the Aden straight is a pretty good idea
Isn't that interesting? I, the liberal, say "let the market fix it". The conservatives say the states (navy, army,...) should fix it. I suggest small ships because only they would have the mobility needed to attack the pirates.
Rob Graham wrote:
Maybe Brazil could provide a couple,you know, to sort of do it's share in the world?
A very good idea and we already do this sort of thing. There are Brazilian forces in other parts of the world doing peace-keeping (East-Timor, Haiti, ...). I don't oppose Brazilian ships there, but I'd prefer them on the Strait of Malaca. The piracy there does much more warm to Brazilian trade than in Aden.
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
But, also there are naval forces from (1) United States, (2) France, (3) UK, (4) Russia, and (5) India
Sure thing. But they are meeting behind closed doors and without inviting the participation of the more powerful countries. Any decisions they come to will very quickly have to turn into requests before they become anything but mice voting to bell the cat. Egypt took the Suez away from France and the UK, maybe they should give it back if they can't protect it.
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The U.N., African Union and Arab nations struggled to respond Thursday to a surge of pirate attacks, authorizing more sanctions and calling for international peacekeepers to stop Somali sea bandits who appear undeterred by nonviolent tactics.[^] and "The meeting ended with the group recommending the establishment of committees that would meet in Yemen early next year to develop concrete steps to combat piracy, participants said". What a joke :| (in other news, as I write, Dow down nearly another 450 points)
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The U.N., African Union and Arab nations struggled to respond Thursday to a surge of pirate attacks, authorizing more sanctions and calling for international peacekeepers to stop Somali sea bandits who appear undeterred by nonviolent tactics.[^] and "The meeting ended with the group recommending the establishment of committees that would meet in Yemen early next year to develop concrete steps to combat piracy, participants said". What a joke :| (in other news, as I write, Dow down nearly another 450 points)
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
"The meeting ended with the group recommending the establishment of committees that would meet in Yemen early next year to develop concrete steps to combat piracy, participants said".
Didn't they steal that recommendation from the G20 meeting last weekend?
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
in other news, as I write, Dow down nearly another 450 points
Ironically, Ford and GM are up a couple of pennies in a market where losers way outweighed winners.
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Rob Graham wrote:
using naval vessels to escort ships past the Aden straight is a pretty good idea
Isn't that interesting? I, the liberal, say "let the market fix it". The conservatives say the states (navy, army,...) should fix it. I suggest small ships because only they would have the mobility needed to attack the pirates.
Rob Graham wrote:
Maybe Brazil could provide a couple,you know, to sort of do it's share in the world?
A very good idea and we already do this sort of thing. There are Brazilian forces in other parts of the world doing peace-keeping (East-Timor, Haiti, ...). I don't oppose Brazilian ships there, but I'd prefer them on the Strait of Malaca. The piracy there does much more warm to Brazilian trade than in Aden.
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Suppression of piracy was the USNs first peacetime abroad mission, and has been a traditional mission of almost all navies historically (when they weren't focusing on raiding someone else's commerce anyway). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War[^] I'd have no problem with the shipping companies hiring Blackwater instead of paying higher insurance premiums, but they're all terrified of liability/bad PR from killing the scum.
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Obviously if it was that trivial some one would have done it. May be the fear is that pirates will burn all the crude oil in the tanker or spill it?
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Obviously if it was that trivial some one would have done it. May be the fear is that pirates will burn all the crude oil in the tanker or spill it?
That and they don't want to have the crew come up dead. S.O.P in hostage situations. (Can you remember way back when the West German Government got all kinds of grief when their attack on the Olympic terrorists got the entire Israeli wrestling team killed?) If the pirates start killing the crew, I suspect we'll see some action at that point.
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Rob Graham wrote:
Maybe Brazil could provide a couple,you know, to sort of do it's share in the world
Even Taiwan has a bigger navy than Brazil as does Myanmar
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Ok, I'd settle for 1 Brazilian patrol boat. Any contribution is welcome
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Rob Graham wrote:
using naval vessels to escort ships past the Aden straight is a pretty good idea
Isn't that interesting? I, the liberal, say "let the market fix it". The conservatives say the states (navy, army,...) should fix it. I suggest small ships because only they would have the mobility needed to attack the pirates.
Rob Graham wrote:
Maybe Brazil could provide a couple,you know, to sort of do it's share in the world?
A very good idea and we already do this sort of thing. There are Brazilian forces in other parts of the world doing peace-keeping (East-Timor, Haiti, ...). I don't oppose Brazilian ships there, but I'd prefer them on the Strait of Malaca. The piracy there does much more warm to Brazilian trade than in Aden.
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Diego Moita wrote:
I, the liberal, say "let the market fix it".
To some extent it is - several shipping companies are already going around the Cape to avoid Aden, in spite of the excess cost. This doesn't help Egypt, which loses Suez revenue, nor trade with near neighbors of Somalia though. What I disagree with is your suggestion encouraging the hire of "private security forces" to act as escorts. The problem there is that the difference between the Blackwaters of the world and pirates comes down to who their employer is. I would prefer a national naval force (or better, and allied task force made up of concerned nations under joint command) just because they are a bit more likely to be held responsible for their actions. Plus which I think we are a bit tired of having to bail out idiot mercenaries that get in over their head. As some other poster pointed out, this has traditionally been a duty expected of national navies, who have both the equipment and discipline to do the job right (without murdering everyone within 50 nautical miles of a suspected pirate).
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Egypt hosts Arab piracy meeting for 6 countries.[^] Let me help you out there guys. Storm the ships, kill all the pirates. No negotiating. Repeat as necessary until the problem stops.
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Oakman wrote:
I don't. I think it damages the brain.
Same here. Not ready to rot my brain out.
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Paul Conrad wrote:
I think it damages the brain.
Yeah but for some it is a moot point.
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thrakazog wrote:
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Hmmm,... no wonder. Guess where the Suez channel is. And guess who would loose lots of money if all the ships decide to go through Capetown instead of Suez.
thrakazog wrote:
Let me help you out there guys. Storm the ships, kill all the pirates. No negotiating. Repeat as necessary until the problem stops.
Rrriiight... Like John Wayne would do in "Black Hawk Down" (the real one, not the movie)[^], Afghanistan and Iraq. Too bad reality doesn't like to follow the movies' plot, eh? Let me put this as clear as I can: this is like guerrilla warfare. Like in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Battle of Mogadishu you're not fighting an army belonging to a government therefore you can't find your target easily. The hardest part is precisely to find who to shoot. It's not the job for a conventional army.
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Diego Moita wrote:
Hmmm,... no wonder. Guess where the Suez channel is. And guess who would loose lots of money if all the ships decide to go through Capetown instead of Suez.
The sailors, in CT's red light districts. ;P
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thrakazog wrote:
Let me help you out there guys. Storm Sink the ships, kill all the pirates. No negotiating. Repeat as necessary until the problem stops.
Ilíon wrote:
Let me help you out there guys. Storm Sink the ships, kill all the pirates. No negotiating. Repeat as necessary until the problem stops.
Yeah. It's not like the hostage crew are white or anything, right?
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