Builtind culturally aware applications
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In the world of web applications I happen to think it's very important to at least work towards developing truly internationalized applications...not just language lookup which is trivial, nor locale formatting, such as currency, etc... I've have read up on much of the caveats when building culturally aware applications and made some interesting/annoying discoveries. :P Only annoying because it just means more work, but I digress. In Thailand, they use a Buddisht calander as I understand. And this calendar has 385 days per year (or some greater than Julian/Gregorian or which ever it is I use). I always thought some values were undisputable, such as seconds in a minute. Is it safe to assume then: 60 seconds = 1 minute 60 minutes = 1 hour 24 hours = 1 day Is it only the the number of days per month that changes from calendar to calendar? How does the Buddist calandar have 385 days on leap years if it's a universally accepted that there are 24 hours in a day or 60 seconds in a minute? If I make the above assumptions, which all my calculations be culturally accurate? I use a the ICU libraries to perform most date calculations and apparently they are aware of the caveats and adjust accoridingly... But to deal with fragments on a more atomic scale like above, will these work undoughtedly? Cheers, Alex
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In the world of web applications I happen to think it's very important to at least work towards developing truly internationalized applications...not just language lookup which is trivial, nor locale formatting, such as currency, etc... I've have read up on much of the caveats when building culturally aware applications and made some interesting/annoying discoveries. :P Only annoying because it just means more work, but I digress. In Thailand, they use a Buddisht calander as I understand. And this calendar has 385 days per year (or some greater than Julian/Gregorian or which ever it is I use). I always thought some values were undisputable, such as seconds in a minute. Is it safe to assume then: 60 seconds = 1 minute 60 minutes = 1 hour 24 hours = 1 day Is it only the the number of days per month that changes from calendar to calendar? How does the Buddist calandar have 385 days on leap years if it's a universally accepted that there are 24 hours in a day or 60 seconds in a minute? If I make the above assumptions, which all my calculations be culturally accurate? I use a the ICU libraries to perform most date calculations and apparently they are aware of the caveats and adjust accoridingly... But to deal with fragments on a more atomic scale like above, will these work undoughtedly? Cheers, Alex
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PCSpectra wrote:
How does the Buddist calandar have 385 days on leap years
If it has 385 days, it obviously bears no relation to the rotation of the earth, or the seasons. So why would it need to have a leap year at all ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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In the world of web applications I happen to think it's very important to at least work towards developing truly internationalized applications...not just language lookup which is trivial, nor locale formatting, such as currency, etc... I've have read up on much of the caveats when building culturally aware applications and made some interesting/annoying discoveries. :P Only annoying because it just means more work, but I digress. In Thailand, they use a Buddisht calander as I understand. And this calendar has 385 days per year (or some greater than Julian/Gregorian or which ever it is I use). I always thought some values were undisputable, such as seconds in a minute. Is it safe to assume then: 60 seconds = 1 minute 60 minutes = 1 hour 24 hours = 1 day Is it only the the number of days per month that changes from calendar to calendar? How does the Buddist calandar have 385 days on leap years if it's a universally accepted that there are 24 hours in a day or 60 seconds in a minute? If I make the above assumptions, which all my calculations be culturally accurate? I use a the ICU libraries to perform most date calculations and apparently they are aware of the caveats and adjust accoridingly... But to deal with fragments on a more atomic scale like above, will these work undoughtedly? Cheers, Alex
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PCSpectra wrote:
How does the Buddist calandar have 385 days on leap years if it's a universally accepted that there are 24 hours in a day or 60 seconds in a minute?
Apparently the non-leap years are only 354 days long according to this.[^] The leap year has an extra month to balance things out. I didn't know there was a such thing as a buddhist calendar...interesting.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
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PCSpectra wrote:
How does the Buddist calandar have 385 days on leap years
If it has 385 days, it obviously bears no relation to the rotation of the earth, or the seasons. So why would it need to have a leap year at all ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Christian Graus wrote:
If it has 385 days, it obviously bears no relation to the rotation of the earth, or the seasons. So why would it need to have a leap year at all ?
I have no idea...I have followed the current Christian calendar my whole life...I wasn't even aware there was other calendars until I started researching on how to make an Internationalized application... Look at the wikipedia link...
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PCSpectra wrote:
How does the Buddist calandar have 385 days on leap years if it's a universally accepted that there are 24 hours in a day or 60 seconds in a minute?
Apparently the non-leap years are only 354 days long according to this.[^] The leap year has an extra month to balance things out. I didn't know there was a such thing as a buddhist calendar...interesting.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
Gary Kirkham wrote:
I didn't know there was a such thing as a buddhist calendar...interesting
Neither...it is interesting and yet frustrating. :)
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In the world of web applications I happen to think it's very important to at least work towards developing truly internationalized applications...not just language lookup which is trivial, nor locale formatting, such as currency, etc... I've have read up on much of the caveats when building culturally aware applications and made some interesting/annoying discoveries. :P Only annoying because it just means more work, but I digress. In Thailand, they use a Buddisht calander as I understand. And this calendar has 385 days per year (or some greater than Julian/Gregorian or which ever it is I use). I always thought some values were undisputable, such as seconds in a minute. Is it safe to assume then: 60 seconds = 1 minute 60 minutes = 1 hour 24 hours = 1 day Is it only the the number of days per month that changes from calendar to calendar? How does the Buddist calandar have 385 days on leap years if it's a universally accepted that there are 24 hours in a day or 60 seconds in a minute? If I make the above assumptions, which all my calculations be culturally accurate? I use a the ICU libraries to perform most date calculations and apparently they are aware of the caveats and adjust accoridingly... But to deal with fragments on a more atomic scale like above, will these work undoughtedly? Cheers, Alex
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PCSpectra wrote:
they use a Buddisht calander as I understand. And this calendar has 385 days per year
Fascinating. Makes me want to lose an evening reading all about it.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long
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PCSpectra wrote:
they use a Buddisht calander as I understand. And this calendar has 385 days per year
Fascinating. Makes me want to lose an evening reading all about it.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long
Giver' :P Lemme know what you find out so I better understand the issues I face in developing Internationalized applications. :)
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PCSpectra wrote:
How does the Buddist calandar have 385 days on leap years if it's a universally accepted that there are 24 hours in a day or 60 seconds in a minute?
Apparently the non-leap years are only 354 days long according to this.[^] The leap year has an extra month to balance things out. I didn't know there was a such thing as a buddhist calendar...interesting.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
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In the world of web applications I happen to think it's very important to at least work towards developing truly internationalized applications...not just language lookup which is trivial, nor locale formatting, such as currency, etc... I've have read up on much of the caveats when building culturally aware applications and made some interesting/annoying discoveries. :P Only annoying because it just means more work, but I digress. In Thailand, they use a Buddisht calander as I understand. And this calendar has 385 days per year (or some greater than Julian/Gregorian or which ever it is I use). I always thought some values were undisputable, such as seconds in a minute. Is it safe to assume then: 60 seconds = 1 minute 60 minutes = 1 hour 24 hours = 1 day Is it only the the number of days per month that changes from calendar to calendar? How does the Buddist calandar have 385 days on leap years if it's a universally accepted that there are 24 hours in a day or 60 seconds in a minute? If I make the above assumptions, which all my calculations be culturally accurate? I use a the ICU libraries to perform most date calculations and apparently they are aware of the caveats and adjust accoridingly... But to deal with fragments on a more atomic scale like above, will these work undoughtedly? Cheers, Alex
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In the world of web applications I happen to think it's very important to at least work towards developing truly internationalized applications...not just language lookup which is trivial, nor locale formatting, such as currency, etc... I've have read up on much of the caveats when building culturally aware applications and made some interesting/annoying discoveries. :P Only annoying because it just means more work, but I digress. In Thailand, they use a Buddisht calander as I understand. And this calendar has 385 days per year (or some greater than Julian/Gregorian or which ever it is I use). I always thought some values were undisputable, such as seconds in a minute. Is it safe to assume then: 60 seconds = 1 minute 60 minutes = 1 hour 24 hours = 1 day Is it only the the number of days per month that changes from calendar to calendar? How does the Buddist calandar have 385 days on leap years if it's a universally accepted that there are 24 hours in a day or 60 seconds in a minute? If I make the above assumptions, which all my calculations be culturally accurate? I use a the ICU libraries to perform most date calculations and apparently they are aware of the caveats and adjust accoridingly... But to deal with fragments on a more atomic scale like above, will these work undoughtedly? Cheers, Alex
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PCSpectra wrote:
In Thailand, they use a Buddisht calander as I understand. And this calendar has 385 days per year (or some greater than Julian/Gregorian or which ever it is I use).
The Buddhist calendar is 354 days with 385 days on a "leap year". The gregorian calendar gave up the lunar ideal for a seasonal (solar) calendar. The buddhist calendar still attempts to keep a lunar calendar with solar shifts to bring it back into alignment. However, as is your misunderstanding on the Thai calendar, you probably don't understand your customers enough to make decisions about calendars. :)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
I didn't know there was a such thing as a buddhist calendar...interesting
Neither...it is interesting and yet frustrating. :)
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PCSpectra wrote:
Gary Kirkham wrote: I didn't know there was a such thing as a buddhist calendar...interesting Neither...it is interesting and yet frustrating.
Frustrating like having to support inches in design software because the US won't go metric... :mad:
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In the world of web applications I happen to think it's very important to at least work towards developing truly internationalized applications...not just language lookup which is trivial, nor locale formatting, such as currency, etc... I've have read up on much of the caveats when building culturally aware applications and made some interesting/annoying discoveries. :P Only annoying because it just means more work, but I digress. In Thailand, they use a Buddisht calander as I understand. And this calendar has 385 days per year (or some greater than Julian/Gregorian or which ever it is I use). I always thought some values were undisputable, such as seconds in a minute. Is it safe to assume then: 60 seconds = 1 minute 60 minutes = 1 hour 24 hours = 1 day Is it only the the number of days per month that changes from calendar to calendar? How does the Buddist calandar have 385 days on leap years if it's a universally accepted that there are 24 hours in a day or 60 seconds in a minute? If I make the above assumptions, which all my calculations be culturally accurate? I use a the ICU libraries to perform most date calculations and apparently they are aware of the caveats and adjust accoridingly... But to deal with fragments on a more atomic scale like above, will these work undoughtedly? Cheers, Alex
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Your (and mine) english calendar is a solar calendar. Earth takes 365.25 days to revolve around the sun. so, english calendar has 365 days every year with a leap year every 4 years. But at some places, particularly chinese and other mid-east countries, calendar based on motion of moon around earth is used. Since days between Full moon to full moon is about 29.5 days, so the months are alternatively 29 & 30. The fascinating thing is if according to lunar calendar you are born on 1st july, 2000 then next year in 2001, you will not celebrate your birthday on 1st july but on the day when the position of moon will be similar to what it was on 1st july, 2000. This way you can delay your birthday party until you get money in your pocket. ;P (and you thought smart people use solar calendar!) I did some work on this in my app. Check the following links...may be of some use to you. http://www.hko.gov.hk/gts/time/conversion.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese\_calendar BTW if your application is in dot Net, then there's a class which does all the calculations for you for converting between solar and lunar calendar. you need to dig into msdn for that.
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Just out of interest, how many users do you expect to have on version 1.0 of your site that are on the Thai Buddhist calendar? In other words, maybe you should leave this for version 2 (or 22).
I guess it just cuts to the heart of the problem. If the Web app is built for a kind of Agile / Start-up model, where you do not even know if takes up at at all, you probably shouldn't waste time on asking these questions. On the other hand, if it is part of an established business, where all the marketing and project plans tell that in half a year there should exist versions for China, Thailand, Israel, etc., than it all starts to look differenly. It the app is for some travel reservation, for example, then the post-factum inclusion of a new calendar may need a re-write of half of GUIs, back-end interfaces, storage, etc., so you may be better off starting to investigate this at the very beginning. You may even consider J2EE a better platform ;P : in Java, a date is almost a blob - all operations are implemented by calendars :rolleyes: .
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PCSpectra wrote:
Gary Kirkham wrote: I didn't know there was a such thing as a buddhist calendar...interesting Neither...it is interesting and yet frustrating.
Frustrating like having to support inches in design software because the US won't go metric... :mad:
I never though I'd say this but "Go USA!" May those feet and inches never succumb to foreign centimetres. As Rupert Brooke almost said "If I should die, think only this of me: that there's some corner of a foreign field that is for ever measured in square yards"
My new favourite phrase - "misdirected leisure activity"
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I never though I'd say this but "Go USA!" May those feet and inches never succumb to foreign centimetres. As Rupert Brooke almost said "If I should die, think only this of me: that there's some corner of a foreign field that is for ever measured in square yards"
My new favourite phrase - "misdirected leisure activity"
Yeah, those powers of ten are soooo hard to get your head around. The UK should have done a 100% transition when we went metric. Personally I use whatever system I feel like using at the time for lengths, but litres and kilos are still largely a mystery...
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Yeah, those powers of ten are soooo hard to get your head around. The UK should have done a 100% transition when we went metric. Personally I use whatever system I feel like using at the time for lengths, but litres and kilos are still largely a mystery...
I just can't visualise how long something is in cm or how much it might feel like in kg. I always simultaneously convert when my kids start talking foreign to me.
My new favourite phrase - "misdirected leisure activity"
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I just can't visualise how long something is in cm or how much it might feel like in kg. I always simultaneously convert when my kids start talking foreign to me.
My new favourite phrase - "misdirected leisure activity"
Maybe you're just really, really old... ;)
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Maybe you're just really, really old... ;)
Seeing as I got very excited about "The Kings of Glam" being on BBC2 the other night, recording it and then subjecting the kids to snippets of T-Rex, Bowie and Slade then I have no alternative but plead guilty as charged.
My new favourite phrase - "misdirected leisure activity"
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Your (and mine) english calendar is a solar calendar. Earth takes 365.25 days to revolve around the sun. so, english calendar has 365 days every year with a leap year every 4 years. But at some places, particularly chinese and other mid-east countries, calendar based on motion of moon around earth is used. Since days between Full moon to full moon is about 29.5 days, so the months are alternatively 29 & 30. The fascinating thing is if according to lunar calendar you are born on 1st july, 2000 then next year in 2001, you will not celebrate your birthday on 1st july but on the day when the position of moon will be similar to what it was on 1st july, 2000. This way you can delay your birthday party until you get money in your pocket. ;P (and you thought smart people use solar calendar!) I did some work on this in my app. Check the following links...may be of some use to you. http://www.hko.gov.hk/gts/time/conversion.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese\_calendar BTW if your application is in dot Net, then there's a class which does all the calculations for you for converting between solar and lunar calendar. you need to dig into msdn for that.
theCPkid wrote:
365.25 days to revolve
365.24218967 days actually... ;) ;) "There is a leap year every year whose number is perfectly divisible by four - except for years which are both divisible by 100 and not divisible by 400. The second part of the rule effects century years. For example; the century years 1600 and 2000 are leap years, but the century years 1700, 1800, and 1900 are not. This means that three times out of every four hundred years there are eight years between leap years."
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
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In the world of web applications I happen to think it's very important to at least work towards developing truly internationalized applications...not just language lookup which is trivial, nor locale formatting, such as currency, etc... I've have read up on much of the caveats when building culturally aware applications and made some interesting/annoying discoveries. :P Only annoying because it just means more work, but I digress. In Thailand, they use a Buddisht calander as I understand. And this calendar has 385 days per year (or some greater than Julian/Gregorian or which ever it is I use). I always thought some values were undisputable, such as seconds in a minute. Is it safe to assume then: 60 seconds = 1 minute 60 minutes = 1 hour 24 hours = 1 day Is it only the the number of days per month that changes from calendar to calendar? How does the Buddist calandar have 385 days on leap years if it's a universally accepted that there are 24 hours in a day or 60 seconds in a minute? If I make the above assumptions, which all my calculations be culturally accurate? I use a the ICU libraries to perform most date calculations and apparently they are aware of the caveats and adjust accoridingly... But to deal with fragments on a more atomic scale like above, will these work undoughtedly? Cheers, Alex
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