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When there are issues like this?[^] BTW, men are sometimes forced into marriges as well.
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This particular incident happened in Bangladesh, but I am sure incidents like this are very frequent amongst Muslim families in Pakistan and India too. I personally know of a Muslim girl (my sister's classmate) who was in a relationship with a Christian classmate. Her parents threatened to kill the lad, threatened that they'd suicide, confiscated her cell phone and driving license, and even locked her up in a room when she tried to argue with them. Eventually she succumbed and was forced to marry a Muslim lad of her parents' choice. A tragedy really! :sigh:
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When there are issues like this?[^] BTW, men are sometimes forced into marriges as well.
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Trollslayer wrote:
BTW, men are sometimes forced into marriges as well.
In the US it is called a "shotgun wedding". :~ Picture girl gets pregnant, father gets shotgun, and nuptials follow shortly thereafter. :-D
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Trollslayer wrote:
BTW, men are sometimes forced into marriges as well.
In the US it is called a "shotgun wedding". :~ Picture girl gets pregnant, father gets shotgun, and nuptials follow shortly thereafter. :-D
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I mean arranged marriges with someone they've never met.
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Trollslayer wrote:
I mean arranged marriges with someone they've never met.
A shotgun wedding is an arranged marriage, sometimes with a girl the man only met once. :sigh: PS - I know what you meant. :-D
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This particular incident happened in Bangladesh, but I am sure incidents like this are very frequent amongst Muslim families in Pakistan and India too. I personally know of a Muslim girl (my sister's classmate) who was in a relationship with a Christian classmate. Her parents threatened to kill the lad, threatened that they'd suicide, confiscated her cell phone and driving license, and even locked her up in a room when she tried to argue with them. Eventually she succumbed and was forced to marry a Muslim lad of her parents' choice. A tragedy really! :sigh:
Regards, Nish
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkNishant Sivakumar wrote:
I personally know of a Muslim girl (my sister's classmate) who was in a relationship with a Christian classmate
This could happen in any religion in India. One of my friend had the same experience. The joke is,both he and his love interest were Hindus but different caste.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
A tragedy really! Sigh
Debatable,in indian situation :)
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I personally know of a Muslim girl (my sister's classmate) who was in a relationship with a Christian classmate
This could happen in any religion in India. One of my friend had the same experience. The joke is,both he and his love interest were Hindus but different caste.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
A tragedy really! Sigh
Debatable,in indian situation :)
jith - iii wrote:
This could happen in any religion in India.
Agree - parentally arranged marriages (against their children's wishes) happens in all Indian communities/states. Though my personal observation has been that Muslim parents are stricter about this compared to Christian/Hindu parents.
jith - iii wrote:
Debatable,in indian situation
I wouldn't say that. Forcing someone to marry someone against his or her wish is a tragic thing to happen anywhere in the world - I don't think that having it happen in India makes it any less of a tragedy.
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This particular incident happened in Bangladesh, but I am sure incidents like this are very frequent amongst Muslim families in Pakistan and India too. I personally know of a Muslim girl (my sister's classmate) who was in a relationship with a Christian classmate. Her parents threatened to kill the lad, threatened that they'd suicide, confiscated her cell phone and driving license, and even locked her up in a room when she tried to argue with them. Eventually she succumbed and was forced to marry a Muslim lad of her parents' choice. A tragedy really! :sigh:
Regards, Nish
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkNishant Sivakumar wrote:
This particular incident happened in Bangladesh, but I am sure incidents like this are very frequent amongst Muslim families in Pakistan and India too.
one word, Islamphobia.
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When there are issues like this?[^] BTW, men are sometimes forced into marriges as well.
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When there are issues like this?[^] BTW, men are sometimes forced into marriges as well.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
This particular incident happened in Bangladesh, but I am sure incidents like this are very frequent amongst Muslim families in Pakistan and India too.
one word, Islamphobia.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
one word, Islamphobia.
What do you have to say about this : "I personally know of a Muslim girl (my sister's classmate) who was in a relationship with a Christian classmate. Her parents threatened to kill the lad, threatened that they'd suicide, confiscated her cell phone and driving license, and even locked her up in a room when she tried to argue with them. Eventually she succumbed and was forced to marry a Muslim lad of her parents' choice." What's Islamophobic about stating an incident that I was personally aware of?
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
one word, Islamphobia.
What do you have to say about this : "I personally know of a Muslim girl (my sister's classmate) who was in a relationship with a Christian classmate. Her parents threatened to kill the lad, threatened that they'd suicide, confiscated her cell phone and driving license, and even locked her up in a room when she tried to argue with them. Eventually she succumbed and was forced to marry a Muslim lad of her parents' choice." What's Islamophobic about stating an incident that I was personally aware of?
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkNishant Sivakumar wrote:
What's Islamophobic about stating an incident that I was personally aware of?
Simple, it's a blanket explanation that requires no thought. That appears to be what he specialises in, ways of explaining things that don't require thought, and defy all attempts at intelligent explanation.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
This particular incident happened in Bangladesh, but I am sure incidents like this are very frequent amongst Muslim families in Pakistan and India too.
one word, Islamphobia.
Yeah, I can see how girls who are forced into loveless marriages with old men who will beat and rape them, or girls who live in fear of being killed by relatives, would be scared of Islam. This doesn't happen in Christian countries, you know. How do you explain that ? Is it George Bushes fault ?
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jith - iii wrote:
This could happen in any religion in India.
Agree - parentally arranged marriages (against their children's wishes) happens in all Indian communities/states. Though my personal observation has been that Muslim parents are stricter about this compared to Christian/Hindu parents.
jith - iii wrote:
Debatable,in indian situation
I wouldn't say that. Forcing someone to marry someone against his or her wish is a tragic thing to happen anywhere in the world - I don't think that having it happen in India makes it any less of a tragedy.
Regards, Nish
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkNishant Sivakumar wrote:
Agree - parentally arranged marriages (against their children's wishes) happens in all Indian communities/states. Though my personal observation has been that Muslim parents are stricter about this compared to Christian/Hindu parents.
I don't think so. Upper caste Hindus are still strict in these things. Being from a brahmin family, I know very well that I'll be outcasted if I marry a girl not even from a different religion but from the same religion and a different caste. But as you said the social clutch of Hindus amongst people of their soceity is not as strong as Muslims or christains. So even if they have pushed out by their family a hindu can easily live the life according to Hindu traditions. Same is not the case of a muslim or christian. Another thing depends here is education of the parents.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I don't think that having it happen in India makes it any less of a tragedy.
If you exclude the cities,the concept here is,parents are living only for their children. No parent will dream about a bad life for their children. If you are living in a society where inter dependency between people are inevitable,inter religious marriages would normally gives no happiness to the couples. And unlike in devolped countries you may not get a second chance if you realize that your choice of partner was wrong. Parents obviously worry about these facts.
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jith - iii wrote:
This could happen in any religion in India.
Agree - parentally arranged marriages (against their children's wishes) happens in all Indian communities/states. Though my personal observation has been that Muslim parents are stricter about this compared to Christian/Hindu parents.
jith - iii wrote:
Debatable,in indian situation
I wouldn't say that. Forcing someone to marry someone against his or her wish is a tragic thing to happen anywhere in the world - I don't think that having it happen in India makes it any less of a tragedy.
Regards, Nish
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkNishant Sivakumar wrote:
I don't think that having it happen in India makes it any less of a tragedy.
Unless you're the man. In India they pay you to marry their daughters. The man gets the dowry. :-D
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Yeah, I can see how girls who are forced into loveless marriages with old men who will beat and rape them, or girls who live in fear of being killed by relatives, would be scared of Islam. This doesn't happen in Christian countries, you know. How do you explain that ? Is it George Bushes fault ?
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According to an Indian perspective arranged marriages turned out be the better option. The logic here is,parents would have more life experience to select a better partner for their wards. They fear that children's selection would mostly due to mere infatuation and they think they can give a better life partner for their child. The proof what they show here is the less number of divorces.
Christian Graus wrote:
I can see how girls who are forced into loveless marriages with old men who will beat and rape them, or girls who live in fear of being killed by relatives, would be scared of Islam.
If this happens it's only amongst the uneducated.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
one word, Islamphobia.
What do you have to say about this : "I personally know of a Muslim girl (my sister's classmate) who was in a relationship with a Christian classmate. Her parents threatened to kill the lad, threatened that they'd suicide, confiscated her cell phone and driving license, and even locked her up in a room when she tried to argue with them. Eventually she succumbed and was forced to marry a Muslim lad of her parents' choice." What's Islamophobic about stating an incident that I was personally aware of?
Regards, Nish
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkI understand what you meant. Child marriages and baseless divorces are happening mainly amongst muslims. But protests againsts these are happenening inside islam itself. It's just because of lack of education and muslim community in India is realizing that now and we could see many Islamic youth orgnizations active on various human rights issues in islam. But coming to inter religious marriages,all religion are in the same boat.
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According to an Indian perspective arranged marriages turned out be the better option. The logic here is,parents would have more life experience to select a better partner for their wards. They fear that children's selection would mostly due to mere infatuation and they think they can give a better life partner for their child. The proof what they show here is the less number of divorces.
Christian Graus wrote:
I can see how girls who are forced into loveless marriages with old men who will beat and rape them, or girls who live in fear of being killed by relatives, would be scared of Islam.
If this happens it's only amongst the uneducated.
jith - iii wrote:
The logic here is,parents would have more life experience to select a better partner for their wards.
And that's a pile of BS.
jith - iii wrote:
If this happens it's only amongst the uneducated.
IF this happens ? It plainly happens. What's really needed is for educated Muslims to decry it as much as ignorant ones like Adnan make excuses for it.
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I understand what you meant. Child marriages and baseless divorces are happening mainly amongst muslims. But protests againsts these are happenening inside islam itself. It's just because of lack of education and muslim community in India is realizing that now and we could see many Islamic youth orgnizations active on various human rights issues in islam. But coming to inter religious marriages,all religion are in the same boat.
jith - iii wrote:
But coming to inter religious marriages,all religion are in the same boat.
I don't believe that is true.
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According to an Indian perspective arranged marriages turned out be the better option. The logic here is,parents would have more life experience to select a better partner for their wards. They fear that children's selection would mostly due to mere infatuation and they think they can give a better life partner for their child. The proof what they show here is the less number of divorces.
Christian Graus wrote:
I can see how girls who are forced into loveless marriages with old men who will beat and rape them, or girls who live in fear of being killed by relatives, would be scared of Islam.
If this happens it's only amongst the uneducated.
jith - iii wrote:
The proof what they show here is the less number of divorces.
Fewer divorces mean that the woman isn't working in a job that can support her. and/Or a legal system tilted towards forcing people to stay together.
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