Have you Java'd recently?
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Reading John's thread below about Java support being redistributed with Windows XP made me think... uh oh you all say. ;P Now from a users perspective (I do not, have not, and hopefully will never need to use Java from a developers perspective) I have not found a single use for Java since I installed Windows XP back on 21st August 2001*. I have not once in the 2,500 or so hours - 104 days :omg: - spent online during this period found a need for Java. * one year and one week ago exactly - and she is still running as good as the day I installed her! :-D Is it really that big of a deal? Sitting here I can't think of anyone who really ever has needed it. Thankfully nowadays those crappy animations and games are made with Flash - which IMHO is much better suited for multimedia that Java. Have you Java'd recently? :suss: In addition, how many of you have spent almost a third of a year online! :eek:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
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Reading John's thread below about Java support being redistributed with Windows XP made me think... uh oh you all say. ;P Now from a users perspective (I do not, have not, and hopefully will never need to use Java from a developers perspective) I have not found a single use for Java since I installed Windows XP back on 21st August 2001*. I have not once in the 2,500 or so hours - 104 days :omg: - spent online during this period found a need for Java. * one year and one week ago exactly - and she is still running as good as the day I installed her! :-D Is it really that big of a deal? Sitting here I can't think of anyone who really ever has needed it. Thankfully nowadays those crappy animations and games are made with Flash - which IMHO is much better suited for multimedia that Java. Have you Java'd recently? :suss: In addition, how many of you have spent almost a third of a year online! :eek:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
I don't firetrucking care if workstation I'm using has JVM or not. The only place for Java is server, IMHO. On desktop it was massive failure from the very beginning. Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
Free your mind and your ass will follow.
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Reading John's thread below about Java support being redistributed with Windows XP made me think... uh oh you all say. ;P Now from a users perspective (I do not, have not, and hopefully will never need to use Java from a developers perspective) I have not found a single use for Java since I installed Windows XP back on 21st August 2001*. I have not once in the 2,500 or so hours - 104 days :omg: - spent online during this period found a need for Java. * one year and one week ago exactly - and she is still running as good as the day I installed her! :-D Is it really that big of a deal? Sitting here I can't think of anyone who really ever has needed it. Thankfully nowadays those crappy animations and games are made with Flash - which IMHO is much better suited for multimedia that Java. Have you Java'd recently? :suss: In addition, how many of you have spent almost a third of a year online! :eek:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
Yes. Oracle tools. X|
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Reading John's thread below about Java support being redistributed with Windows XP made me think... uh oh you all say. ;P Now from a users perspective (I do not, have not, and hopefully will never need to use Java from a developers perspective) I have not found a single use for Java since I installed Windows XP back on 21st August 2001*. I have not once in the 2,500 or so hours - 104 days :omg: - spent online during this period found a need for Java. * one year and one week ago exactly - and she is still running as good as the day I installed her! :-D Is it really that big of a deal? Sitting here I can't think of anyone who really ever has needed it. Thankfully nowadays those crappy animations and games are made with Flash - which IMHO is much better suited for multimedia that Java. Have you Java'd recently? :suss: In addition, how many of you have spent almost a third of a year online! :eek:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
May Java rot in hell. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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May Java rot in hell. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
Tim Smith wrote: May Java rot in hell. Sit down. Breathe... breathe slowly Tim. Calm down dude! It's only a language after all :) Personally I'd prefer it if the French rot in hell, but that's just me :) BTW, why do u hate java so much? It's not that bad and it cant be called a toy language like VB. Brian Azzopardi bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur
[eat, drink, for tomorrow we die]
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Reading John's thread below about Java support being redistributed with Windows XP made me think... uh oh you all say. ;P Now from a users perspective (I do not, have not, and hopefully will never need to use Java from a developers perspective) I have not found a single use for Java since I installed Windows XP back on 21st August 2001*. I have not once in the 2,500 or so hours - 104 days :omg: - spent online during this period found a need for Java. * one year and one week ago exactly - and she is still running as good as the day I installed her! :-D Is it really that big of a deal? Sitting here I can't think of anyone who really ever has needed it. Thankfully nowadays those crappy animations and games are made with Flash - which IMHO is much better suited for multimedia that Java. Have you Java'd recently? :suss: In addition, how many of you have spent almost a third of a year online! :eek:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
David Wulff wrote: Have you Java'd recently? Unfortuanatley yes. I downloaded Morpheus 2.0 (one of those p2p file sharing jobies) without knowing it was a Java app. Suffice to say it took 1minute, 10seconds to load, looked nothing like any normal Windows app and ran like a pig suckling on treacle (and the only search result I got back after 10 minutes of searching for "XML Flash" was "Britney in XXX action, Flash format".) Oh and a client wanted a stock ticker JavaApplet in their website. After much head bashing I convinced them good old HTML, CSS and JavaScript did a much better job of it. David Wulff wrote: Thankfully nowadays those crappy animations and games are made with Flash - which IMHO is much better suited for multimedia that Java. Yeah but you can do everything you can do in Flash using HTML, JavaScript, SVG and CSS. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Simon Walton wrote: "You come across a lot of people who call themselves realists, when they are actually pessimists attempting to look intelligent."
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I don't firetrucking care if workstation I'm using has JVM or not. The only place for Java is server, IMHO. On desktop it was massive failure from the very beginning. Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
Free your mind and your ass will follow.
Tomasz Sowinski wrote: The only place for Java is server I've never understood that statement. I thought one of the great things about java was it's portability and hence would support a wide range of desktops/workstations .. what value is portability in the server space ? If it's advantage on the server is not it's portability, then what is it's advantage on the server ? Especially against compiled C/C++ ?
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Tomasz Sowinski wrote: The only place for Java is server I've never understood that statement. I thought one of the great things about java was it's portability and hence would support a wide range of desktops/workstations .. what value is portability in the server space ? If it's advantage on the server is not it's portability, then what is it's advantage on the server ? Especially against compiled C/C++ ?
David Patrick wrote: I thought one of the great things about java was it's portability and hence would support a wide range of desktops/workstations It's the most hyped thing about Java. Have you seen the proverbial Oracle DB admin tools written in Java? David Patrick wrote: If it's advantage on the server is not it's portability, then what is it's advantage on the server ? Especially against compiled C/C++ ? As every self-respecting Java programmer would say, you don't have to worry about deleting unused memory - this is the biggest advantage :) Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
Free your mind and your ass will follow.
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Tim Smith wrote: May Java rot in hell. Sit down. Breathe... breathe slowly Tim. Calm down dude! It's only a language after all :) Personally I'd prefer it if the French rot in hell, but that's just me :) BTW, why do u hate java so much? It's not that bad and it cant be called a toy language like VB. Brian Azzopardi bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur
[eat, drink, for tomorrow we die]
Brian Azzopardi wrote: Personally I'd prefer it if the French rot in hell Why do you hate French? I'm asking because I hate it too and can't find any good reason. :) Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
Free your mind and your ass will follow.
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David Wulff wrote: Have you Java'd recently? Unfortuanatley yes. I downloaded Morpheus 2.0 (one of those p2p file sharing jobies) without knowing it was a Java app. Suffice to say it took 1minute, 10seconds to load, looked nothing like any normal Windows app and ran like a pig suckling on treacle (and the only search result I got back after 10 minutes of searching for "XML Flash" was "Britney in XXX action, Flash format".) Oh and a client wanted a stock ticker JavaApplet in their website. After much head bashing I convinced them good old HTML, CSS and JavaScript did a much better job of it. David Wulff wrote: Thankfully nowadays those crappy animations and games are made with Flash - which IMHO is much better suited for multimedia that Java. Yeah but you can do everything you can do in Flash using HTML, JavaScript, SVG and CSS. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Simon Walton wrote: "You come across a lot of people who call themselves realists, when they are actually pessimists attempting to look intelligent."
Paul Watson wrote: Yeah but you can do everything you can do in Flash using HTML, JavaScript, SVG and CSS Maybe, but ask yourself if the people creating the Flash movies would be able to do that... :suss:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
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Reading John's thread below about Java support being redistributed with Windows XP made me think... uh oh you all say. ;P Now from a users perspective (I do not, have not, and hopefully will never need to use Java from a developers perspective) I have not found a single use for Java since I installed Windows XP back on 21st August 2001*. I have not once in the 2,500 or so hours - 104 days :omg: - spent online during this period found a need for Java. * one year and one week ago exactly - and she is still running as good as the day I installed her! :-D Is it really that big of a deal? Sitting here I can't think of anyone who really ever has needed it. Thankfully nowadays those crappy animations and games are made with Flash - which IMHO is much better suited for multimedia that Java. Have you Java'd recently? :suss: In addition, how many of you have spent almost a third of a year online! :eek:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
Ahhhh Java. It's what I do, all day, every day. I'm a developer of a website that uses JSP/EJB as its technology. And I have to say, it's cool! I like Java and the technologies that go with it. I still prefer C++ as a language, but for simplicity and portability Java is great. I've also noticed that a lot of the cool online games, such as these[^], these[^], or these[^] (on Microsoft's site) are Java applets. Regards, Alvaro Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein
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Paul Watson wrote: Yeah but you can do everything you can do in Flash using HTML, JavaScript, SVG and CSS Maybe, but ask yourself if the people creating the Flash movies would be able to do that... :suss:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
David Wulff wrote: Maybe, but ask yourself if the people creating the Flash movies would be able to do that... Maybe not, but ask yourself if the people creating the Flash movies would have been better off learning HTML, JavaScript, SVG and CSS rather than Flash... :suss: regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Simon Walton wrote: "You come across a lot of people who call themselves realists, when they are actually pessimists attempting to look intelligent."
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David Wulff wrote: Maybe, but ask yourself if the people creating the Flash movies would be able to do that... Maybe not, but ask yourself if the people creating the Flash movies would have been better off learning HTML, JavaScript, SVG and CSS rather than Flash... :suss: regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Simon Walton wrote: "You come across a lot of people who call themselves realists, when they are actually pessimists attempting to look intelligent."
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David Wulff wrote: Okay, point taken. Sorry, was not meaning to come off as mean there. :) I just have problems with people who support proprietary formats on the WWW. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa Simon Walton wrote: "You come across a lot of people who call themselves realists, when they are actually pessimists attempting to look intelligent."
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Reading John's thread below about Java support being redistributed with Windows XP made me think... uh oh you all say. ;P Now from a users perspective (I do not, have not, and hopefully will never need to use Java from a developers perspective) I have not found a single use for Java since I installed Windows XP back on 21st August 2001*. I have not once in the 2,500 or so hours - 104 days :omg: - spent online during this period found a need for Java. * one year and one week ago exactly - and she is still running as good as the day I installed her! :-D Is it really that big of a deal? Sitting here I can't think of anyone who really ever has needed it. Thankfully nowadays those crappy animations and games are made with Flash - which IMHO is much better suited for multimedia that Java. Have you Java'd recently? :suss: In addition, how many of you have spent almost a third of a year online! :eek:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
StageCast Creator is a great gaming/simulation program written in Java. OilEd and Protege are two excellent Semantic Web applications written in Java as well. Both are written for client/desktop usage and run just fine. Yes, I've java'd recently. ;) Brandon
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Brian Azzopardi wrote: Personally I'd prefer it if the French rot in hell Why do you hate French? I'm asking because I hate it too and can't find any good reason. :) Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
Free your mind and your ass will follow.
Well I don't really hate them as such. They have an attitude problem and I also don't like how they keep on going about their language and la Gloire Francaise (pardon my French). I also think that (pace Napolean) they're a bunch of wankers when it comes to fighting a war (WW1, WW2), not to mention their inbred anti-American attitude. Oh and did I mention that their modern philsophers suck BIG time - all the French post-modernists are a bunch of loony lefties who think it's a sign of intelligence to write intractable texts. Oh and did I mention that they have excellent wine, beautiful women and are cultururally superior to most of the human race (only the Italians beat them). Brian Azzopardi bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur
[eat, drink, for tomorrow we die]
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Well I don't really hate them as such. They have an attitude problem and I also don't like how they keep on going about their language and la Gloire Francaise (pardon my French). I also think that (pace Napolean) they're a bunch of wankers when it comes to fighting a war (WW1, WW2), not to mention their inbred anti-American attitude. Oh and did I mention that their modern philsophers suck BIG time - all the French post-modernists are a bunch of loony lefties who think it's a sign of intelligence to write intractable texts. Oh and did I mention that they have excellent wine, beautiful women and are cultururally superior to most of the human race (only the Italians beat them). Brian Azzopardi bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur
[eat, drink, for tomorrow we die]
Brian Azzopardi wrote: Oh and did I mention that they have excellent wine, beautiful women and are cultururally superior to most of the human race Yeah, this make perfect reason to hate them :-D Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
Free your mind and your ass will follow.
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Reading John's thread below about Java support being redistributed with Windows XP made me think... uh oh you all say. ;P Now from a users perspective (I do not, have not, and hopefully will never need to use Java from a developers perspective) I have not found a single use for Java since I installed Windows XP back on 21st August 2001*. I have not once in the 2,500 or so hours - 104 days :omg: - spent online during this period found a need for Java. * one year and one week ago exactly - and she is still running as good as the day I installed her! :-D Is it really that big of a deal? Sitting here I can't think of anyone who really ever has needed it. Thankfully nowadays those crappy animations and games are made with Flash - which IMHO is much better suited for multimedia that Java. Have you Java'd recently? :suss: In addition, how many of you have spent almost a third of a year online! :eek:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
The panoramic views on my website run from java applets (that came with the software I use to stitch the photos together). I'd like to get a shockwave viewer for them instead, but don't have the shockwave knowledge, or time, to get it done :( -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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May Java rot in hell. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
JUST SAY NO. That was one of reasons I left from previous company (Switching from MS/DCOM to J2EE). Also applies to the VB - I'm rolling in pain whenever I get any piece of code to maintain. That causes them to give that task to someone else. Socialism and Multi-Platform solutions are noble ideas, but they don't work - believe me -I experienced them both! SDK Maintenance Programmer
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David Patrick wrote: I thought one of the great things about java was it's portability and hence would support a wide range of desktops/workstations It's the most hyped thing about Java. Have you seen the proverbial Oracle DB admin tools written in Java? David Patrick wrote: If it's advantage on the server is not it's portability, then what is it's advantage on the server ? Especially against compiled C/C++ ? As every self-respecting Java programmer would say, you don't have to worry about deleting unused memory - this is the biggest advantage :) Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
Free your mind and your ass will follow.
AFAIK portability is one of the most important factors that lead to success of Java on server platforms. Most Java programmers (sic!) I know develop and test their applications on Windows NT, and then just copy the jars to a Unix server. :beer: