How's everyone feeling lately?
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It's been weird watching the discussion not only on the Lounge, but in the mailing list and forums scattered about the place. It really seemed that 9 months ago everyone was reasonably lively and energetic, then about 6 months ago cynicism and a little repressed anger started rearing it's head pretty much everywhere you looked. Lately I've been feeling that in general the industry has been almost in a confused daze. I was just wondering if this because I tend to follow Windows-based forums and it's wait for .NET and XP that is causing this anger/lethargy/confusion or if it's the whole VC punitive strike against dotcoms (and associated financial uncertainty) that is to blame. Obviously if this were an Australian-only phenomenom I could blame the introduction of the GST, but I'm not convinced Australia's economy influences world markets to that extent ;P cheers, Chris Maunder
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It's been weird watching the discussion not only on the Lounge, but in the mailing list and forums scattered about the place. It really seemed that 9 months ago everyone was reasonably lively and energetic, then about 6 months ago cynicism and a little repressed anger started rearing it's head pretty much everywhere you looked. Lately I've been feeling that in general the industry has been almost in a confused daze. I was just wondering if this because I tend to follow Windows-based forums and it's wait for .NET and XP that is causing this anger/lethargy/confusion or if it's the whole VC punitive strike against dotcoms (and associated financial uncertainty) that is to blame. Obviously if this were an Australian-only phenomenom I could blame the introduction of the GST, but I'm not convinced Australia's economy influences world markets to that extent ;P cheers, Chris Maunder
I think there's a lot of uncertainty in the industry lately. Younger developers (not in terms of age, but years in the busines) are seeing their first new "silver bullet" in the form of .NET. Those of us that have been around for a number of these SB's (Java, OOA/D/P, OMT/Booch/OOSE/UML/Whatever, CASE, 4GL's, Structured Programming, HIPPO, etc..) come to realize that it is very seldom that something like C/C++ comes along that virtually replaces the world before it. We learn a lot each time we get a new SB, and when we get the next one, we usually take some parts of the last SB with us. But we are at a crossroads. Will Microsoft be broken up? Will .NET succeed? Will Java ever become useful? (Ok.. that was inflammatory.. I appologize) Will Software-as-a-service succeed in general? Will the Stock Market rebound? Will my stock options that I are now worthless because they are at a price that's much larger than the current stock price ever be worth anything? Will my company lay me off next week? Will I ever get a life? ;) You might not be effected by every one of those questions... but chances are, you're effected by at least one. And that's something to drag you down.
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It's been weird watching the discussion not only on the Lounge, but in the mailing list and forums scattered about the place. It really seemed that 9 months ago everyone was reasonably lively and energetic, then about 6 months ago cynicism and a little repressed anger started rearing it's head pretty much everywhere you looked. Lately I've been feeling that in general the industry has been almost in a confused daze. I was just wondering if this because I tend to follow Windows-based forums and it's wait for .NET and XP that is causing this anger/lethargy/confusion or if it's the whole VC punitive strike against dotcoms (and associated financial uncertainty) that is to blame. Obviously if this were an Australian-only phenomenom I could blame the introduction of the GST, but I'm not convinced Australia's economy influences world markets to that extent ;P cheers, Chris Maunder
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It's been weird watching the discussion not only on the Lounge, but in the mailing list and forums scattered about the place. It really seemed that 9 months ago everyone was reasonably lively and energetic, then about 6 months ago cynicism and a little repressed anger started rearing it's head pretty much everywhere you looked. Lately I've been feeling that in general the industry has been almost in a confused daze. I was just wondering if this because I tend to follow Windows-based forums and it's wait for .NET and XP that is causing this anger/lethargy/confusion or if it's the whole VC punitive strike against dotcoms (and associated financial uncertainty) that is to blame. Obviously if this were an Australian-only phenomenom I could blame the introduction of the GST, but I'm not convinced Australia's economy influences world markets to that extent ;P cheers, Chris Maunder
What I have noticed over the last few months is the lack of professionalism and common decency displayed by many people(anonymous and registered) at Code Project. Code Project appears to have gone from a place to share ideas, code, and discuss topics, to "My way is better dumb#ss", and "I'm better than you." You can't blame economic or career uncertainty for the way people have been treating others. Maybe the protection of being behind the computer terminal has had an effect on our communication skills and politeness. Being an excellent software professional is more than just knowing how to develope good applications. It also requires that the individual knows how to communicate and interact with other people(face-to-face or correspondence. Knowing how to have good relations with people allows you to "build bridges" for the future. I know it has help me start my own business, and when you "flame" someone for no good reason, you may just have "burned a bridge" to a future customer or employer. I realise the preceding paragraph sounds somewhat mushy, but I think it is advise that many of us could use, including myself. :) Now lets make Code Project the best darn place for developers of all kinds to share their ideas and skills! Tim
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It's been weird watching the discussion not only on the Lounge, but in the mailing list and forums scattered about the place. It really seemed that 9 months ago everyone was reasonably lively and energetic, then about 6 months ago cynicism and a little repressed anger started rearing it's head pretty much everywhere you looked. Lately I've been feeling that in general the industry has been almost in a confused daze. I was just wondering if this because I tend to follow Windows-based forums and it's wait for .NET and XP that is causing this anger/lethargy/confusion or if it's the whole VC punitive strike against dotcoms (and associated financial uncertainty) that is to blame. Obviously if this were an Australian-only phenomenom I could blame the introduction of the GST, but I'm not convinced Australia's economy influences world markets to that extent ;P cheers, Chris Maunder
I don't know about anyone else... but I think that a lot of us 'yanks' are having to pony up a bit of cash at this time of year for taxes with the economy looking a bit grim at the same time. A bit scary... In my industry, embedded industrial controllers, we saw the tap turn off hard last October and are still waiting for it to start trickling again. We have a few orders, but nothing like it was the last few years. Steven J. Ackerman, Consultant ACS, Sarasota, FL http://www.acscontrol.com steve@acscontrol.com sja@gte.net
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I think you've a point Chris. MS has been too pushy regarding their .NET baby and has been forgetting their core developers that use MFC/ATL libraries. This perhaps is causing a sort of resentment lately.
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It's been weird watching the discussion not only on the Lounge, but in the mailing list and forums scattered about the place. It really seemed that 9 months ago everyone was reasonably lively and energetic, then about 6 months ago cynicism and a little repressed anger started rearing it's head pretty much everywhere you looked. Lately I've been feeling that in general the industry has been almost in a confused daze. I was just wondering if this because I tend to follow Windows-based forums and it's wait for .NET and XP that is causing this anger/lethargy/confusion or if it's the whole VC punitive strike against dotcoms (and associated financial uncertainty) that is to blame. Obviously if this were an Australian-only phenomenom I could blame the introduction of the GST, but I'm not convinced Australia's economy influences world markets to that extent ;P cheers, Chris Maunder
its kind of simple. there are more c++ programmers here than vb. when you see .NET or vb questions on here, its frustrating. i think the main problem is that vb 'people' think they can come here and say stuff about their easy little language without knowing shit about c++. THEY ARENT PROGRAMMERS. if your a programmer in today's world, you HAVE to know c++. vb is just too easy. and whoever asks vb questions that arent extremely advanced, you have mental problems as well, and might start thinking about contruction working as your future. sorry, but thats how it is. that applies to anyone over 18. im only 16. i started programming in c++ with 2 books. i learned the basics of c++ in a weekend. then i looked at my win32 book. i basically threw both languages my way, learning each at the same time. i was at an intermediate level in less than a month. so if someone over 18 cant figure out c++ on their first try, get out of this profession. if i found c++ that easy, what does that make vb? i know several of my online friends know vb, but have given up trying c++ several times. keep in mind that im not a genius or anything :-D this was meant towards vbers, not programmers. so if you know both languages and like vb better, i have no problem with you, and more power to you --------------------------------------------------- Bill Gates is Linus Torvalds' bitch Windows bows down to Linux by 2010 :)
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its kind of simple. there are more c++ programmers here than vb. when you see .NET or vb questions on here, its frustrating. i think the main problem is that vb 'people' think they can come here and say stuff about their easy little language without knowing shit about c++. THEY ARENT PROGRAMMERS. if your a programmer in today's world, you HAVE to know c++. vb is just too easy. and whoever asks vb questions that arent extremely advanced, you have mental problems as well, and might start thinking about contruction working as your future. sorry, but thats how it is. that applies to anyone over 18. im only 16. i started programming in c++ with 2 books. i learned the basics of c++ in a weekend. then i looked at my win32 book. i basically threw both languages my way, learning each at the same time. i was at an intermediate level in less than a month. so if someone over 18 cant figure out c++ on their first try, get out of this profession. if i found c++ that easy, what does that make vb? i know several of my online friends know vb, but have given up trying c++ several times. keep in mind that im not a genius or anything :-D this was meant towards vbers, not programmers. so if you know both languages and like vb better, i have no problem with you, and more power to you --------------------------------------------------- Bill Gates is Linus Torvalds' bitch Windows bows down to Linux by 2010 :)
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Learning a language is easy. Learning how to program is hard. I've been at it for 20 years (after 8 years in the military and construction) and I'm still not sure I know how to do it properly. Maybe in another 20 I'll catch up with you, eh?
seems to me you just used the wrong way of learning. when you learn something without applying it, of course its easy to learn. as long as you apply the code as you learn it, you wont have that problem Bill Gates is Linus Torvalds' bitch Windows bows down to Linux by 2010 :)
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seems to me you just used the wrong way of learning. when you learn something without applying it, of course its easy to learn. as long as you apply the code as you learn it, you wont have that problem Bill Gates is Linus Torvalds' bitch Windows bows down to Linux by 2010 :)