This is defense? [modified]
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
I'd like to think that I'm one of the new generation that I'm talking about.
If you are and there are more like you, I honestly believe there's hope. If I were on the opposite end from you at a negotiating table, I would believe you to be an honest and forward looking man. Again, a prayer.
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I'll pray with you both times my friend.
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Did your dad invent Grande Armée?
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What does my dad have to do with Napoleon? This is my father in law: http://www.rcstandcom.info/m-al-hadid.shtml[^] His picture is on the right. A really swell guy and a straight shooter that does not suffer fools gladly. You'd like him a lot.
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Oakman wrote:
My guess is Pakistan is the supplier, not Iran
I'm not talking about this particular current conflict, but Jihadis in general. Of which, Iran is the radical Jihadi run government that is closest to aquiring nukes. And I'm thinking the second they get one they'll aim it as Israel.
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BoneSoft wrote:
I'm not talking about this particular current conflict, but Jihadis in general. Of which, Iran is the radical Jihadi run government that is closest to aquiring nukes. And I'm thinking the second they get one they'll aim it as Israel.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I wasn't talking about this conflict either. Of course, it really doesn't matter where the stuff comes from. It only matters how many other rockets are fired off. In the discussion of the Israeli incursion, there have been various versions of "What would the U.S. do, if rockets were coming in over the Tex-Mex border?" I find myself wondering how long it will be before that is reality, too.
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What does my dad have to do with Napoleon? This is my father in law: http://www.rcstandcom.info/m-al-hadid.shtml[^] His picture is on the right. A really swell guy and a straight shooter that does not suffer fools gladly. You'd like him a lot.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote: Keep it up. Fool.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
What does my dad have to do with Napoleon?
A Sam Mustafa wrote a very intricate but very playable set of rules for staging minature re-enactments of the Napoleonic Wars.
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And I'm still being told that this is defense. Defense my ass. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7829912.stm[^] and http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE5053R720090115[^]
- A boat carrying medical supplies to Gaza is surrounded by Israeli warships in international waters off Lebanon's southern coast and forced to return to Cyprus, according to charity Free Gaza
- Palestinian deaths in the Gaza Strip reach 1,028 according to Gaza medical sources. Nearly a third of the dead are said to be children
- The UN's relief agency, Unrwa, says part of its HQ in the city is on fire after being shelled by the Israelis.
- Speaking to reporters on the Israel-Gaza border, Unrwa spokesman Christopher Gunness said three of the agency's employees were hurt in the attack. He said the compound was hit by what Unrwa believed to be three white phosphorus shells, which are incendiary weapons used as a smoke screen.About 700 people were still sheltering in the compound, he said, and he was particularly concerned about the proximity of the fire to five full fuel tanks. Asked whether he was sure the attack had been carried out by Israel, he said he was not aware of Hamas having access to white phosphorus. Mr Gunness added that Unrwa would not be able to distribute food or medical supplies on Thursday as its trucks were unable to leave the compound.
- More than 1,000 Gazans and 13 Israelis have reportedly died so far in the conflict.
- Dozens of terrified residents were seen fleeing on foot. Thousands more huddled in homes that provided precarious shelter while explosions tore through rubble-strewn streets clouded by smoke. "It is a catastrophe," one woman said, walking quickly away from the area and carrying a child in her arms as two other children ran behind her to keep up. "We took our money and passports. We have to carry some identification with us in case we get killed," she said. "Hamas can claim victory if it wants but we just need this bloodshed to end."
- A senior Western diplomat said Israel appeared to be trying to make last-minute gains on the groun
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How would Israel respond if another country tried to change its government by force? How would you respond if China (for example) tried to change the government of the US by force? If Israel was a peaceful and accommodating neighbour I doubt that rockets would be fired at them, nor that Hamas would have been elected. The whole of the Middle East needs to learn to live together in peace through peace, not to live together in peace through war.
What the fuck is wrong with people like you? Israel is a democratic society trying to survive surrounded by the most evil assholes since Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin died. Get your head out of your lefty liberal ass and get back on the side of freedom, liberty and justice.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
What does my dad have to do with Napoleon?
A Sam Mustafa wrote a very intricate but very playable set of rules for staging minature re-enactments of the Napoleonic Wars.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Ah, no, not him and I don't think he's related. I could be wrong though.
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Sig history "dad" Ishmail-Samuel Mustafa "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance" Ali Ibn Abi Talib
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote: Keep it up. Fool.
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And I'm still being told that this is defense. Defense my ass. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7829912.stm[^] and http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE5053R720090115[^]
- A boat carrying medical supplies to Gaza is surrounded by Israeli warships in international waters off Lebanon's southern coast and forced to return to Cyprus, according to charity Free Gaza
- Palestinian deaths in the Gaza Strip reach 1,028 according to Gaza medical sources. Nearly a third of the dead are said to be children
- The UN's relief agency, Unrwa, says part of its HQ in the city is on fire after being shelled by the Israelis.
- Speaking to reporters on the Israel-Gaza border, Unrwa spokesman Christopher Gunness said three of the agency's employees were hurt in the attack. He said the compound was hit by what Unrwa believed to be three white phosphorus shells, which are incendiary weapons used as a smoke screen.About 700 people were still sheltering in the compound, he said, and he was particularly concerned about the proximity of the fire to five full fuel tanks. Asked whether he was sure the attack had been carried out by Israel, he said he was not aware of Hamas having access to white phosphorus. Mr Gunness added that Unrwa would not be able to distribute food or medical supplies on Thursday as its trucks were unable to leave the compound.
- More than 1,000 Gazans and 13 Israelis have reportedly died so far in the conflict.
- Dozens of terrified residents were seen fleeing on foot. Thousands more huddled in homes that provided precarious shelter while explosions tore through rubble-strewn streets clouded by smoke. "It is a catastrophe," one woman said, walking quickly away from the area and carrying a child in her arms as two other children ran behind her to keep up. "We took our money and passports. We have to carry some identification with us in case we get killed," she said. "Hamas can claim victory if it wants but we just need this bloodshed to end."
- A senior Western diplomat said Israel appeared to be trying to make last-minute gains on the groun
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Its not being used as a launch site
The first thing you do, the very first, is eliminate command and control. Thats why Hamas HQ is hidden under a hospital, and it is why every patient in that hospital is in danger.
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Again, they destroyed the school why? They ran away
The bomb run was long over before the AP report was made. AP investigated only because Hamas made such a big deal out of the lack of provocation.
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Ibrahim Al-Muqadima (preferred spelling btw) was a Hamas Operative. Not some holy man.
And yet they named a mosque after him. You think that maybe, just maybe, there were weapons inside that holy place?
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BTW, how are YOu so sure YOU know what is really going on in Gaza. If you beleive every newsfeed that comes out of Gaza, I have some very nice land in Okeefenokee Swamp to sell you! Unless you've seen it for yourself, don't tell the rest of us what is going on in Gaza!
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Reagan Conservative wrote:
BTW, how are YOu so sure YOU know what is really going on in Gaza. If you beleive every newsfeed that comes out of Gaza, I have some very nice land in Okeefenokee Swamp to sell you! Unless you've seen it for yourself, don't tell the rest of us what is going on in Gaza!
That really doesn't work, and it's just a step or two removed from post-modernism.
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What the fuck is wrong with people like you? Israel is a democratic society trying to survive surrounded by the most evil assholes since Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin died. Get your head out of your lefty liberal ass and get back on the side of freedom, liberty and justice.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stephen Hewitt wrote:
Evidently you seem to think we care what you think...
Given the tendency my posts have to get voted upon, one way or the other, I rest fairly sure that some folks care. For what it is worth, I care very much what Mustafa thinks and what he writes. He is a good and brave man in an agonizing position, and I believe that he is living proof that the canards that Ilion and Stan spout so freely about Muslims are false. I even care, a little bit, what you think. ;P
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
I couldn't care less what anybody else thinks
OK, then why do you assume that any of us care enough to read what you think? War is fought to be won. It's not fought to be fair, or pretty, or with one hand tied behind you. The idea of war is to accomplish diplomatic goals by the use of force. If Hamas wanted to play patticake, then they should have announced it rather than proudly declaring the cease-fire to be null and void, firing rockets into their neighbor, and daring Israel to do anything about it.
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Oakman wrote:
The idea of war is to accomplish diplomatic goals by the use of force.
I think you meant to say "political" goals. War is fought only after diplomacy has failed (or hasn't been given a chance to fail on its own).
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We aren't trying to change their government, we're trying to have their government attack our citizens. What would the US do if China was launching 20+ missiles everyday at their cities, targeting schools?
EliottA wrote:
targeting schools?
Using "Hamas missiles" and "targeting" is a bit ironic since they fire their missiles and don't care where they land. they are completely incapable of targeting, and due to its indiscriminate impact placement, can be considered a terror weapon. On the other hand, Israel is quite capable of reasonably accurate targeting. If China were launching missiles at the US, it would be far more than "20+", and they wouldn't exactly be homemade. Those two facts alone would make it a completely different situation.
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EliottA wrote:
targeting schools?
Using "Hamas missiles" and "targeting" is a bit ironic since they fire their missiles and don't care where they land. they are completely incapable of targeting, and due to its indiscriminate impact placement, can be considered a terror weapon. On the other hand, Israel is quite capable of reasonably accurate targeting. If China were launching missiles at the US, it would be far more than "20+", and they wouldn't exactly be homemade. Those two facts alone would make it a completely different situation.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001They openly target civilians, they've said so. It's in their charter. And no matter who launches any missiles at the US, their reaction would be the same, if not more, then Israels.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
On the other hand, Israel is quite capable of reasonably accurate targeting.
Yeah we can target pretty well, but, again, they use shoulder to air missile rocket launchers, there is nothing to target after they launch their missile.
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Oakman wrote:
The idea of war is to accomplish diplomatic goals by the use of force.
I think you meant to say "political" goals. War is fought only after diplomacy has failed (or hasn't been given a chance to fail on its own).
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I think you meant to say "political" goals. War is fought only after diplomacy has failed (or hasn't been given a chance to fail on its own).
You're right. I misquoted Von Clausewitz :-O
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Defence is one thing, they have gonne too far this time.
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No, they haven't.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Steve_Harris wrote:
Some countries which are always anti-Israeli may have refused to do so but to say the "entire world" refused to condemn them is nonsense.
name one.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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If Palestinian children get "massacred", it is a direct result of their support of Hamas attacking Israel. It does not work that way, you cannot support the destruction of one civilization and except no retaliation on your own.
EliottA wrote:
If Palestinian children get "massacred", it is a direct result of their support of Hamas attacking Israel.
Please describe in detail how a two-year-old child supports Hamas and therefore deserves to die?
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Wow. So define for me exactly how many Jews have to die before Israel can protect herself? Hundreds aren't enough aparently. Is it 1000? Do we have to wait for that? Is it 10,000? Should we mark our calendars, estimating the average kill rate from Hamas rockets? If my country were under attack, I would respond with sufficient force to be certain that never happened again. What would you wait for?