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  • O Oakman

    I've decided that I have said more than I intended to awhile back, so I shan't say any more about the Middle East (at least until tomorrow.)

    Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:

    It's something we've expected for a while. Unfortunately, the economy sucks better (or worse) than Jenna Jameson (don't get to use this expression often, but it is the SoapBox), so I'm having a hard time finding a new job.

    It doesn't look any better on this side of the pond, either. We're going to see a bunch of bankruptcies in the next month or two that will send the economy into a steeper nosedive. My advice would be to take any job this side of shoveling shit for the circus elephants, and spend your evenings inventing the next Tetris - or Doom if your mind runs that way.

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    Oakman wrote:

    I've decided that I have said more than I intended to awhile back, so I shan't say any more about the Middle East (at least until tomorrow.)

    Again, I understand that. Most people only see one side of the equation. We've been there for 60 years. We won, they lost. We'll kill them if they try. What people don't understand is if the other side hasn't given up the fight, and is just stringing you along, then the fight isn't over.

    Oakman wrote:

    My advice would be to take any job this side of shoveling sh*t for the circus elephants, and spend your evenings inventing the next Tetris - or Doom if your mind runs that way.

    It's not as easy as that. On the plus side, my son is young enough that he may think shoveling circus elephant shit is a cool job.


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    • O Oakman

      Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

      The vow of silence has been broken

      And now, methinks, I am taking one. I've shot off my mouth far more than I intended when I first responded to you, and I suspect you have answered back a lot more than you meant. Oh well.

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      Jon, I'll happily cross [s]words with you again. You're an honorable, knowledgeable man that's not afraid of pointing out his points and I have an immense amount of respect for you. I didn't want to respond to a single thread to be honest, but Elliot had to start with the name calling game which I consider to be extremely childish and ineffective but he's heeded what was said which is good. Just because its a near free for all it doesn't mean we sink to the levels of Illiot.

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      • M Mike Gaskey

        Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

        It is leadership.

        Is there anyone on the horizon that can be effective or is this a permanent situation?

        Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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        Several dozen and the whole new generation as well, but it needs patience and it needs to be nurtured properly. Sadly, the world is without patience and tactics like the ones Dubya decided on using along with the ones Israel employs again and again is certainly hampering if not backpedaling the whole thing. I'd like to think that I'm one of the new generation that I'm talking about.

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          Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

          The vow of silence has been broken

          And now, methinks, I am taking one. I've shot off my mouth far more than I intended when I first responded to you, and I suspect you have answered back a lot more than you meant. Oh well.

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          BTW, I can't find the original post regarding Egypt, I forgot to answer that one because my parents showed up to see their Grandson. I have slammed them. I've written two articles to the local newspapers (I've previously had two such articles published, one for Progressive politics and a state of mind and the other with respect to what's stalling the Peace process) Sadly, it hasn't been published and I think the reason is that there is some sort of media blanketing occurring. One day, the Egyptians will overthrow the dictatorship they're in.

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            Several dozen and the whole new generation as well, but it needs patience and it needs to be nurtured properly. Sadly, the world is without patience and tactics like the ones Dubya decided on using along with the ones Israel employs again and again is certainly hampering if not backpedaling the whole thing. I'd like to think that I'm one of the new generation that I'm talking about.

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            Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote: Keep it up. Fool.

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            Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

            I'd like to think that I'm one of the new generation that I'm talking about.

            Well, I hope you get a time in the sun as we say. You certainly seem to be a reasonable, thinking individual. I'll say a prayer.

            Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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            • O Oakman

              BoneSoft wrote:

              But I too think it's just a matter of time until some jihadi somewhere gets their hands on a wad of uranium. It's a scarey world these days.

              My guess is Pakistan is the supplier, not Iran, but it sure is scarey. It's one of the reasons I live in a rural area.

              BoneSoft wrote:

              Then again, the good ol' boring days were probably only that way because I didn't see what was happening in the world.

              Problem was that while it was boring over here, the world was pouring money into the hands of a bunch of nomads whose idea of civilization was to remember to wipe their ass with the fingers of one hand and eat with the fingers of the other. And honorable warfare meant not to fuck the other guy's wives after you killed them. Unfortunately these guys became so rich that they threw out the relatively civilized rulers of the Arab world and set themselves up in their place.

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              Oakman wrote:

              My guess is Pakistan is the supplier, not Iran

              I'm not talking about this particular current conflict, but Jihadis in general. Of which, Iran is the radical Jihadi run government that is closest to aquiring nukes. And I'm thinking the second they get one they'll aim it as Israel.


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                I don't really need to. Israel has been home to the Jews for, and no joke and no offense, before the Arab culture emerged. Check your history books "dude", Israel has fought how many wars against the Arab nations surround it's territory? How many times was it a draw? 0? How many times did Israel get attacked with no warning, and instead of losing, ended up conquering territory? Yeah that's right, Hamas will be no different. Israel clearly attempted to give Hamas a shot with the ceasefire that ended on the 27th. Hamas, never at one point honored their word and simply rearmed and continued to launch rockets. This is a direct result of their actions and now the supporting populous which is the Palestinian people must sit in their bed, for they have made it.

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                You really are mixing up ethnicity with creed. People, whose descendants are now the Palestinians have been living there since before Judaism existed and if you think otherwise, you are sadly lost in your own world. Get your facts straight and come back. There are Palestinian Jews, Christians and Muslims and they all refer to themselves as Palestinians. Creed has nothing to do with ethnicity.

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                • B Bassam Abdul Baki

                  Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

                  Jews were more than happy to start their state in Uganda.

                  Actually, the very first nation asked to give up land for the establishment of a jewish state was Mother Russia. They "declined" obviously.


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                  Whereabouts in the States are you man? Just curious.

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                    Whereabouts in the States are you man? Just curious.

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                    Virginia. No man's land. They don't even have an accent here.


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                      Several dozen and the whole new generation as well, but it needs patience and it needs to be nurtured properly. Sadly, the world is without patience and tactics like the ones Dubya decided on using along with the ones Israel employs again and again is certainly hampering if not backpedaling the whole thing. I'd like to think that I'm one of the new generation that I'm talking about.

                      Don't forget to vote if the response was helpful


                      Sig history "dad" Ishmail-Samuel Mustafa "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance" Ali Ibn Abi Talib

                      Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote: Keep it up. Fool.

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                      Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

                      I'd like to think that I'm one of the new generation that I'm talking about.

                      If you are and there are more like you, I honestly believe there's hope. If I were on the opposite end from you at a negotiating table, I would believe you to be an honest and forward looking man. Again, a prayer.

                      Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                      • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

                        Jon, I'll happily cross [s]words with you again. You're an honorable, knowledgeable man that's not afraid of pointing out his points and I have an immense amount of respect for you. I didn't want to respond to a single thread to be honest, but Elliot had to start with the name calling game which I consider to be extremely childish and ineffective but he's heeded what was said which is good. Just because its a near free for all it doesn't mean we sink to the levels of Illiot.

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                        Sig history "dad" Ishmail-Samuel Mustafa "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance" Ali Ibn Abi Talib

                        Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote: Keep it up. Fool.

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                        Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

                        Jon, I'll happily cross [s]words with you again

                        Be careful. At one point in my checkered past I was a swordfight choreographer. I'm a sunuvabitch with a bastard sword. ;)

                        Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

                        Just because its a near free for all it doesn't mean we sink to the levels of Illiot.

                        Amen to that. There's even been a relative minimum of gratuitous down-voting. (Although as long as Illiot keeps coming back, I suppose there will be enough chances to vote one to make everyone happy. :laugh: ) Wouldn't it be really nice if we could rant and rave about the world without indulging in childish insults and ideological food fights?

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                        • K KaRl

                          "If you kill one of us we will kill 100 of ours". Do know how this strategy is called? Terrorism.

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                          Ka?l wrote:

                          "If you kill one of us we will kill 100 of ours".

                          Did you phrase that correctly? Shouldn't it be "If you kill one of us we will kill 100 of yours" IIRC, the Romans enforced Pax Romana with a policy of killing ten for every one of theirs killed.

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                          • B Bassam Abdul Baki

                            No, we need to bring back the Ottoman empire. Ottomans look great in the living room. But seriously, that area has only seen crap for 60 years. It's been continuously populated for thousands of years and only in the recent present has non-stop conflict been a problem. I blame it on the lack of Roman orgies.


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                            Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:

                            lack of Roman orgies

                            No, the lack of Roman legions.

                            Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:

                            that area has only seen crap for 60 years

                            No comment.

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                              Generally, I do lean towards the left but I'm not so far gone to walk in what you might consider the "dark side". I'm wholeheartedly a progressive and not a conservative. But I try my best to listen to both sides before I judge and I apply that mentality to the news.

                              Reagan Conservative wrote:

                              All I know is that the world news has so many pictures plastered on the news of "innocent" civilians being killed, especially women and children, that I wonder why there are no pictures of killed and maimed Israeli civilians being plastered all over? Has that not piqued your interest, or do you believe everything the media throws your way? Does "balanced reporting ever cross your mind."

                              Blah blah blah blah. Its like you're trying to say I'm with Hamas. I'm not. I'm against the level of escalation Israel is using. Unlike what you and several others might believe, I hope for a peaceful solution and existence. Also, just FYI, I get as pissed off when Hamas or any other militant organization does what it does, its downright despicable, but what a coincidence, the IDF is doing the exact same thing.

                              Reagan Conservative wrote:

                              And the fact that you've "been there" doesn't mean squat for the PRESENT SITUATION! I've been to a lot of places too, and that would not make me an expert on what was happening there if war broke out!

                              It means that I know where they're coming from, but fine, I'll play along. My father-in-law is the President of the ICRC (International Committee of the Red Cross), he gets very graphic and very detailed reports. That's my best and most arbitrary source of information.

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                              Did your dad invent Grande Armée?

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                                Virginia. No man's land. They don't even have an accent here.


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                                Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:

                                Virginia.

                                :doh: I thought you'd already gone home. I am :-O

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                                • O Oakman

                                  Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:

                                  Virginia.

                                  :doh: I thought you'd already gone home. I am :-O

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                                  Haven't gone back in a few years. Two much bombing for a few years and I had school last year. It's been four years since I've visited, and I may not go back this summer. Time flies when you're stuck in traffic and working in a cube all day with no sunlight.


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                                  • M Mike Gaskey

                                    Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

                                    I'd like to think that I'm one of the new generation that I'm talking about.

                                    If you are and there are more like you, I honestly believe there's hope. If I were on the opposite end from you at a negotiating table, I would believe you to be an honest and forward looking man. Again, a prayer.

                                    Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                                    I'll pray with you both times my friend.

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                                      Did your dad invent Grande Armée?

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                                      What does my dad have to do with Napoleon? This is my father in law: http://www.rcstandcom.info/m-al-hadid.shtml[^] His picture is on the right. A really swell guy and a straight shooter that does not suffer fools gladly. You'd like him a lot.

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                                        Oakman wrote:

                                        My guess is Pakistan is the supplier, not Iran

                                        I'm not talking about this particular current conflict, but Jihadis in general. Of which, Iran is the radical Jihadi run government that is closest to aquiring nukes. And I'm thinking the second they get one they'll aim it as Israel.


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                                        BoneSoft wrote:

                                        I'm not talking about this particular current conflict, but Jihadis in general. Of which, Iran is the radical Jihadi run government that is closest to aquiring nukes. And I'm thinking the second they get one they'll aim it as Israel.

                                        I'm not saying you're wrong, but I wasn't talking about this conflict either. Of course, it really doesn't matter where the stuff comes from. It only matters how many other rockets are fired off. In the discussion of the Israeli incursion, there have been various versions of "What would the U.S. do, if rockets were coming in over the Tex-Mex border?" I find myself wondering how long it will be before that is reality, too.

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                                        • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

                                          What does my dad have to do with Napoleon? This is my father in law: http://www.rcstandcom.info/m-al-hadid.shtml[^] His picture is on the right. A really swell guy and a straight shooter that does not suffer fools gladly. You'd like him a lot.

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                                          Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

                                          What does my dad have to do with Napoleon?

                                          A Sam Mustafa wrote a very intricate but very playable set of rules for staging minature re-enactments of the Napoleonic Wars.

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