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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Before the arrival of recognized terror groups like the Haganah and ILZ, Muslims, Christians and Jews (all Arab and Palestinian) lived very happily there for eons.
I know, let's bring bring back the British! They can't fuck it up any worse than they already did. I think the most fun the Jews and Arabs had together before 1945 was when the Ba'ath Party was organized in direct imitation of the Nazis.
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No, we need to bring back the Ottoman empire. Ottomans look great in the living room. But seriously, that area has only seen crap for 60 years. It's been continuously populated for thousands of years and only in the recent present has non-stop conflict been a problem. I blame it on the lack of Roman orgies.
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Oakman wrote:
I really try top respect you, honest. But you make it very difficult when you start coming across with arguments that Adnan would support.
Just because you don't like what I'm saying doesn't make it less true. I'm telling you what my Palestinian friends have told me, and none of them have lived in Jordan, and all have lived in Palestine. Just because Jordan absorbed some, or a lot, doesn't mean the rest have no right to what is theirs.
Oakman wrote:
You mean the way Lebanon and Syria does the Palestinians?
Again, the majority of Palestinians don't want to lose their nationality. They're just waiting until they can go home. You making fun of it by blaming it on Lebanon or Syria does not change any of that. Go make friends with a dozen Palestinians and then ask them about what they want.
Oakman wrote:
Bad time to have that happen. I'm guessing unemployment insurance is not something you can count on.
It's something we've expected for a while. Unfortunately, the economy sucks better (or worse) than Jenna Jameson (don't get to use this expression often, but it is the SoapBox), so I'm having a hard time finding a new job.
I've decided that I have said more than I intended to awhile back, so I shan't say any more about the Middle East (at least until tomorrow.)
Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
It's something we've expected for a while. Unfortunately, the economy sucks better (or worse) than Jenna Jameson (don't get to use this expression often, but it is the SoapBox), so I'm having a hard time finding a new job.
It doesn't look any better on this side of the pond, either. We're going to see a bunch of bankruptcies in the next month or two that will send the economy into a steeper nosedive. My advice would be to take any job this side of shoveling shit for the circus elephants, and spend your evenings inventing the next Tetris - or Doom if your mind runs that way.
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
the majority of them wish to go back home, but can't
The truth is that many of them have never lived in Israel, Many Palestinians aren't even descended from people who lived in Israel. They come from Jordan but the Jordanians don't want them around any more than the Lebanese do.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Which Palestinians have you been talking to? The ones I talk to were born in Palestine and go back and visit every few years. The ones who lived in Jordan probably still live in Jordan. Those who live in Syria, Lebanon, US, Egypt are usually from Palestine. Yeah, the young ones were born in refugee camps, but their parents raise them as Palestinians, not as refugees or nationals of the country they were born in because they don't want it. The US has a similar problem with anchor babies.
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I've decided that I have said more than I intended to awhile back, so I shan't say any more about the Middle East (at least until tomorrow.)
Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
It's something we've expected for a while. Unfortunately, the economy sucks better (or worse) than Jenna Jameson (don't get to use this expression often, but it is the SoapBox), so I'm having a hard time finding a new job.
It doesn't look any better on this side of the pond, either. We're going to see a bunch of bankruptcies in the next month or two that will send the economy into a steeper nosedive. My advice would be to take any job this side of shoveling shit for the circus elephants, and spend your evenings inventing the next Tetris - or Doom if your mind runs that way.
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Oakman wrote:
I've decided that I have said more than I intended to awhile back, so I shan't say any more about the Middle East (at least until tomorrow.)
Again, I understand that. Most people only see one side of the equation. We've been there for 60 years. We won, they lost. We'll kill them if they try. What people don't understand is if the other side hasn't given up the fight, and is just stringing you along, then the fight isn't over.
Oakman wrote:
My advice would be to take any job this side of shoveling sh*t for the circus elephants, and spend your evenings inventing the next Tetris - or Doom if your mind runs that way.
It's not as easy as that. On the plus side, my son is young enough that he may think shoveling circus elephant shit is a cool job.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
The vow of silence has been broken
And now, methinks, I am taking one. I've shot off my mouth far more than I intended when I first responded to you, and I suspect you have answered back a lot more than you meant. Oh well.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Jon, I'll happily cross [s]words with you again. You're an honorable, knowledgeable man that's not afraid of pointing out his points and I have an immense amount of respect for you. I didn't want to respond to a single thread to be honest, but Elliot had to start with the name calling game which I consider to be extremely childish and ineffective but he's heeded what was said which is good. Just because its a near free for all it doesn't mean we sink to the levels of Illiot.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
It is leadership.
Is there anyone on the horizon that can be effective or is this a permanent situation?
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Several dozen and the whole new generation as well, but it needs patience and it needs to be nurtured properly. Sadly, the world is without patience and tactics like the ones Dubya decided on using along with the ones Israel employs again and again is certainly hampering if not backpedaling the whole thing. I'd like to think that I'm one of the new generation that I'm talking about.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
The vow of silence has been broken
And now, methinks, I am taking one. I've shot off my mouth far more than I intended when I first responded to you, and I suspect you have answered back a lot more than you meant. Oh well.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
BTW, I can't find the original post regarding Egypt, I forgot to answer that one because my parents showed up to see their Grandson. I have slammed them. I've written two articles to the local newspapers (I've previously had two such articles published, one for Progressive politics and a state of mind and the other with respect to what's stalling the Peace process) Sadly, it hasn't been published and I think the reason is that there is some sort of media blanketing occurring. One day, the Egyptians will overthrow the dictatorship they're in.
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Several dozen and the whole new generation as well, but it needs patience and it needs to be nurtured properly. Sadly, the world is without patience and tactics like the ones Dubya decided on using along with the ones Israel employs again and again is certainly hampering if not backpedaling the whole thing. I'd like to think that I'm one of the new generation that I'm talking about.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote: Keep it up. Fool.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
I'd like to think that I'm one of the new generation that I'm talking about.
Well, I hope you get a time in the sun as we say. You certainly seem to be a reasonable, thinking individual. I'll say a prayer.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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BoneSoft wrote:
But I too think it's just a matter of time until some jihadi somewhere gets their hands on a wad of uranium. It's a scarey world these days.
My guess is Pakistan is the supplier, not Iran, but it sure is scarey. It's one of the reasons I live in a rural area.
BoneSoft wrote:
Then again, the good ol' boring days were probably only that way because I didn't see what was happening in the world.
Problem was that while it was boring over here, the world was pouring money into the hands of a bunch of nomads whose idea of civilization was to remember to wipe their ass with the fingers of one hand and eat with the fingers of the other. And honorable warfare meant not to fuck the other guy's wives after you killed them. Unfortunately these guys became so rich that they threw out the relatively civilized rulers of the Arab world and set themselves up in their place.
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Oakman wrote:
My guess is Pakistan is the supplier, not Iran
I'm not talking about this particular current conflict, but Jihadis in general. Of which, Iran is the radical Jihadi run government that is closest to aquiring nukes. And I'm thinking the second they get one they'll aim it as Israel.
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I don't really need to. Israel has been home to the Jews for, and no joke and no offense, before the Arab culture emerged. Check your history books "dude", Israel has fought how many wars against the Arab nations surround it's territory? How many times was it a draw? 0? How many times did Israel get attacked with no warning, and instead of losing, ended up conquering territory? Yeah that's right, Hamas will be no different. Israel clearly attempted to give Hamas a shot with the ceasefire that ended on the 27th. Hamas, never at one point honored their word and simply rearmed and continued to launch rockets. This is a direct result of their actions and now the supporting populous which is the Palestinian people must sit in their bed, for they have made it.
You really are mixing up ethnicity with creed. People, whose descendants are now the Palestinians have been living there since before Judaism existed and if you think otherwise, you are sadly lost in your own world. Get your facts straight and come back. There are Palestinian Jews, Christians and Muslims and they all refer to themselves as Palestinians. Creed has nothing to do with ethnicity.
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Whereabouts in the States are you man? Just curious.
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Whereabouts in the States are you man? Just curious.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote: Keep it up. Fool.
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Several dozen and the whole new generation as well, but it needs patience and it needs to be nurtured properly. Sadly, the world is without patience and tactics like the ones Dubya decided on using along with the ones Israel employs again and again is certainly hampering if not backpedaling the whole thing. I'd like to think that I'm one of the new generation that I'm talking about.
Don't forget to vote if the response was helpful
Sig history "dad" Ishmail-Samuel Mustafa "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance" Ali Ibn Abi Talib
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote: Keep it up. Fool.
I now think of you as Mr. T! - Trollslayer
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
I'd like to think that I'm one of the new generation that I'm talking about.
If you are and there are more like you, I honestly believe there's hope. If I were on the opposite end from you at a negotiating table, I would believe you to be an honest and forward looking man. Again, a prayer.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Jon, I'll happily cross [s]words with you again. You're an honorable, knowledgeable man that's not afraid of pointing out his points and I have an immense amount of respect for you. I didn't want to respond to a single thread to be honest, but Elliot had to start with the name calling game which I consider to be extremely childish and ineffective but he's heeded what was said which is good. Just because its a near free for all it doesn't mean we sink to the levels of Illiot.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote: Keep it up. Fool.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Jon, I'll happily cross [s]words with you again
Be careful. At one point in my checkered past I was a swordfight choreographer. I'm a sunuvabitch with a bastard sword. ;)
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Just because its a near free for all it doesn't mean we sink to the levels of Illiot.
Amen to that. There's even been a relative minimum of gratuitous down-voting. (Although as long as Illiot keeps coming back, I suppose there will be enough chances to vote one to make everyone happy. :laugh: ) Wouldn't it be really nice if we could rant and rave about the world without indulging in childish insults and ideological food fights?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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"If you kill one of us we will kill 100 of ours". Do know how this strategy is called? Terrorism.
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Ka?l wrote:
"If you kill one of us we will kill 100 of ours".
Did you phrase that correctly? Shouldn't it be "If you kill one of us we will kill 100 of yours" IIRC, the Romans enforced Pax Romana with a policy of killing ten for every one of theirs killed.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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No, we need to bring back the Ottoman empire. Ottomans look great in the living room. But seriously, that area has only seen crap for 60 years. It's been continuously populated for thousands of years and only in the recent present has non-stop conflict been a problem. I blame it on the lack of Roman orgies.
Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
lack of Roman orgies
No, the lack of Roman legions.
Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
that area has only seen crap for 60 years
No comment.
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Generally, I do lean towards the left but I'm not so far gone to walk in what you might consider the "dark side". I'm wholeheartedly a progressive and not a conservative. But I try my best to listen to both sides before I judge and I apply that mentality to the news.
Reagan Conservative wrote:
All I know is that the world news has so many pictures plastered on the news of "innocent" civilians being killed, especially women and children, that I wonder why there are no pictures of killed and maimed Israeli civilians being plastered all over? Has that not piqued your interest, or do you believe everything the media throws your way? Does "balanced reporting ever cross your mind."
Blah blah blah blah. Its like you're trying to say I'm with Hamas. I'm not. I'm against the level of escalation Israel is using. Unlike what you and several others might believe, I hope for a peaceful solution and existence. Also, just FYI, I get as pissed off when Hamas or any other militant organization does what it does, its downright despicable, but what a coincidence, the IDF is doing the exact same thing.
Reagan Conservative wrote:
And the fact that you've "been there" doesn't mean squat for the PRESENT SITUATION! I've been to a lot of places too, and that would not make me an expert on what was happening there if war broke out!
It means that I know where they're coming from, but fine, I'll play along. My father-in-law is the President of the ICRC (International Committee of the Red Cross), he gets very graphic and very detailed reports. That's my best and most arbitrary source of information.
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
Virginia.
:doh: I thought you'd already gone home. I am :-O
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