This is defense? [modified]
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Wow. So define for me exactly how many Jews have to die before Israel can protect herself? Hundreds aren't enough aparently. Is it 1000? Do we have to wait for that? Is it 10,000? Should we mark our calendars, estimating the average kill rate from Hamas rockets? If my country were under attack, I would respond with sufficient force to be certain that never happened again. What would you wait for?
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
That's what the Palestinians have been doing forever. Glad you approve. You da man.
Palestine isn't a country. It could be, but it people don't want that. They perfers endless war to civilization, and they're making that preference known daily, rocket by rocket, suicide bomber by suicide bomber.
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They openly target civilians, they've said so. It's in their charter. And no matter who launches any missiles at the US, their reaction would be the same, if not more, then Israels.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
On the other hand, Israel is quite capable of reasonably accurate targeting.
Yeah we can target pretty well, but, again, they use shoulder to air missile rocket launchers, there is nothing to target after they launch their missile.
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
That's what the Palestinians have been doing forever. Glad you approve. You da man.
Palestine isn't a country. It could be, but it people don't want that. They perfers endless war to civilization, and they're making that preference known daily, rocket by rocket, suicide bomber by suicide bomber.
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Yes, but some people seem to think that civilian massacres are an acceptable consequence of war.
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Ideological food fight - how impressive.
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Oakman wrote:
how impressive.
Thank you.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Firstly, Im lebanese, so I know the history. Secondly, thats right Hamas is a small percentage, which is my point. Get the vast majority of Palestinians to take matters into their own hands and kick Hamas out. They can do it. By sitting and doing nothing, they are *supporting* Hamas. All the populous of a country pays for its governments' actions, which is what is happening now.
EliottA wrote:
Im lebanese
Just as a complete aside, don't you guys have hezbolah who are similar to hamas in their ideals and goals? I may be showing my complete ingnorance of your local geopolitics
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Stan, either have something constructive to say or go back to your conservative rightist hidey-hole. I don't care what reasons you might give, but using a weapon that instantly consumed the lives of near a quarter of a million people with the absolute overwhelming majority being civilians can be considered defense in any way and under any circumstance. I consider it a tar black spot in the history of the US.
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I love that article. It points to a very serious hypocrisy. I just wish others would have the balls to point it out.
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Weird. I don't get emails telling me that you posted a reply to my posts.
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
the majority of them wish to go back home, but can't
The truth is that many of them have never lived in Israel, Many Palestinians aren't even descended from people who lived in Israel. They come from Jordan but the Jordanians don't want them around any more than the Lebanese do.
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All the Palestinians that I know, and I assure you the number is quite big, was either born there or was born to parents who were born there. The third generation is starting to be. And all of them always go back to Palestine, to see their villages and where their farms, their land and their homes used to be. The one time I've ever seen my father cry was on a drive from his village named Deir Ballut (Monastery of the Oak, there used to be groves of Oak trees) towards Yafa (Israeli's name it Jaffo) and he was telling me how my grandfather, his father owned about 500 acres, groves of olives and citrus fruit, land that was confiscated and taken by the Israelis. The only reason there is a large number of Palestinians in Jordan is because it shares the largest border with Palestine and in the mass exodus that occurred in 1948 and again in 1967, it was easiest for them to escape death and annihilation there. Jordanians are 90% Palestinian and everyone is fighting tooth and nail for the right to return home.
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Stan, either have something constructive to say or go back to your conservative rightist hidey-hole. I don't care what reasons you might give, but using a weapon that instantly consumed the lives of near a quarter of a million people with the absolute overwhelming majority being civilians can be considered defense in any way and under any circumstance. I consider it a tar black spot in the history of the US.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Stan, either have something constructive to say or go back to your conservative rightist hidey-hole.
Firstly, fuck you too. Secondly...
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
I don't care what reasons you might give, but using a weapon that instantly consumed the lives of near a quarter of a million people with the absolute overwhelming majority being civilians can be considered defense in any way and under any circumstance. I consider it a tar black spot in the history of the US.
No one gives a shit what you consider it... In 1945, my father-in-law was a young man preparing for the initial wave of invasion of Japan. He lived, they died. Freedom and democracy triumphed. End of story.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Stan, either have something constructive to say or go back to your conservative rightist hidey-hole.
Firstly, fuck you too. Secondly...
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
I don't care what reasons you might give, but using a weapon that instantly consumed the lives of near a quarter of a million people with the absolute overwhelming majority being civilians can be considered defense in any way and under any circumstance. I consider it a tar black spot in the history of the US.
No one gives a shit what you consider it... In 1945, my father-in-law was a young man preparing for the initial wave of invasion of Japan. He lived, they died. Freedom and democracy triumphed. End of story.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Firstly, f*** you too.
I'm impressed. You maintained proper grammatical form whilst resorting to insults because you have no real comeback. Bravo. :clap clap:
Stan Shannon wrote:
No one gives a sh*t what you consider it... In 1945, my father-in-law was a young man preparing for the initial wave of invasion of Japan. He lived, they died. Freedom and democracy triumphed. End of story.
I'm glad he lived, I'm not glad with the way the American Military did it, that was the whole point of the whole damned point. Democracy and Freedom have nothing to do with the amount of force used so please be a bit more analytical. I extend the same offer to you as the one I extended ElliotA, if you can't be civil and argue/debate like a man, then either don't argue or tell me that you want a cussing match, I'll be more than happy to oblige.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Firstly, f*** you too.
I'm impressed. You maintained proper grammatical form whilst resorting to insults because you have no real comeback. Bravo. :clap clap:
Stan Shannon wrote:
No one gives a sh*t what you consider it... In 1945, my father-in-law was a young man preparing for the initial wave of invasion of Japan. He lived, they died. Freedom and democracy triumphed. End of story.
I'm glad he lived, I'm not glad with the way the American Military did it, that was the whole point of the whole damned point. Democracy and Freedom have nothing to do with the amount of force used so please be a bit more analytical. I extend the same offer to you as the one I extended ElliotA, if you can't be civil and argue/debate like a man, then either don't argue or tell me that you want a cussing match, I'll be more than happy to oblige.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
I extend the same offer to you as the one I extended ElliotA, if you can't be civil and argue/debate like a man, then either don't argue or tell me that you want a cussing match, I'll be more than happy to oblige.
You're the one who started insulting people. And you are also the one who is defining 'analytical' as any argument which agrees with your own prejudices.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
I extend the same offer to you as the one I extended ElliotA, if you can't be civil and argue/debate like a man, then either don't argue or tell me that you want a cussing match, I'll be more than happy to oblige.
You're the one who started insulting people. And you are also the one who is defining 'analytical' as any argument which agrees with your own prejudices.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Bull. Calling you a conservative or a right-winger is insulting to you? My apologies. I didn't mean it as an insult, more a classification.
Stan Shannon wrote:
And you are also the one who is defining 'analytical' as any argument which agrees with your own prejudices.
That is as far away from the truth as calling Illion intelligent and you know it.
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unoccupied by military forces is a war crime, you needed to bold some more. IMO, I'm just glad that the US is not directly involved in this one.