This is defense? [modified]
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Stephen Hewitt wrote:
Evidently you seem to think we care what you think...
Given the tendency my posts have to get voted upon, one way or the other, I rest fairly sure that some folks care. For what it is worth, I care very much what Mustafa thinks and what he writes. He is a good and brave man in an agonizing position, and I believe that he is living proof that the canards that Ilion and Stan spout so freely about Muslims are false. I even care, a little bit, what you think. ;P
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
I couldn't care less what anybody else thinks
OK, then why do you assume that any of us care enough to read what you think? War is fought to be won. It's not fought to be fair, or pretty, or with one hand tied behind you. The idea of war is to accomplish diplomatic goals by the use of force. If Hamas wanted to play patticake, then they should have announced it rather than proudly declaring the cease-fire to be null and void, firing rockets into their neighbor, and daring Israel to do anything about it.
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Oakman wrote:
The idea of war is to accomplish diplomatic goals by the use of force.
I think you meant to say "political" goals. War is fought only after diplomacy has failed (or hasn't been given a chance to fail on its own).
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We aren't trying to change their government, we're trying to have their government attack our citizens. What would the US do if China was launching 20+ missiles everyday at their cities, targeting schools?
EliottA wrote:
targeting schools?
Using "Hamas missiles" and "targeting" is a bit ironic since they fire their missiles and don't care where they land. they are completely incapable of targeting, and due to its indiscriminate impact placement, can be considered a terror weapon. On the other hand, Israel is quite capable of reasonably accurate targeting. If China were launching missiles at the US, it would be far more than "20+", and they wouldn't exactly be homemade. Those two facts alone would make it a completely different situation.
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EliottA wrote:
targeting schools?
Using "Hamas missiles" and "targeting" is a bit ironic since they fire their missiles and don't care where they land. they are completely incapable of targeting, and due to its indiscriminate impact placement, can be considered a terror weapon. On the other hand, Israel is quite capable of reasonably accurate targeting. If China were launching missiles at the US, it would be far more than "20+", and they wouldn't exactly be homemade. Those two facts alone would make it a completely different situation.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001They openly target civilians, they've said so. It's in their charter. And no matter who launches any missiles at the US, their reaction would be the same, if not more, then Israels.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
On the other hand, Israel is quite capable of reasonably accurate targeting.
Yeah we can target pretty well, but, again, they use shoulder to air missile rocket launchers, there is nothing to target after they launch their missile.
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Oakman wrote:
The idea of war is to accomplish diplomatic goals by the use of force.
I think you meant to say "political" goals. War is fought only after diplomacy has failed (or hasn't been given a chance to fail on its own).
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I think you meant to say "political" goals. War is fought only after diplomacy has failed (or hasn't been given a chance to fail on its own).
You're right. I misquoted Von Clausewitz :-O
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Defence is one thing, they have gonne too far this time.
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No, they haven't.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Steve_Harris wrote:
Some countries which are always anti-Israeli may have refused to do so but to say the "entire world" refused to condemn them is nonsense.
name one.
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If Palestinian children get "massacred", it is a direct result of their support of Hamas attacking Israel. It does not work that way, you cannot support the destruction of one civilization and except no retaliation on your own.
EliottA wrote:
If Palestinian children get "massacred", it is a direct result of their support of Hamas attacking Israel.
Please describe in detail how a two-year-old child supports Hamas and therefore deserves to die?
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Wow. So define for me exactly how many Jews have to die before Israel can protect herself? Hundreds aren't enough aparently. Is it 1000? Do we have to wait for that? Is it 10,000? Should we mark our calendars, estimating the average kill rate from Hamas rockets? If my country were under attack, I would respond with sufficient force to be certain that never happened again. What would you wait for?
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
That's what the Palestinians have been doing forever. Glad you approve. You da man.
Palestine isn't a country. It could be, but it people don't want that. They perfers endless war to civilization, and they're making that preference known daily, rocket by rocket, suicide bomber by suicide bomber.
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They openly target civilians, they've said so. It's in their charter. And no matter who launches any missiles at the US, their reaction would be the same, if not more, then Israels.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
On the other hand, Israel is quite capable of reasonably accurate targeting.
Yeah we can target pretty well, but, again, they use shoulder to air missile rocket launchers, there is nothing to target after they launch their missile.
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
That's what the Palestinians have been doing forever. Glad you approve. You da man.
Palestine isn't a country. It could be, but it people don't want that. They perfers endless war to civilization, and they're making that preference known daily, rocket by rocket, suicide bomber by suicide bomber.
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Yes, but some people seem to think that civilian massacres are an acceptable consequence of war.
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Ideological food fight - how impressive.
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Oakman wrote:
how impressive.
Thank you.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Firstly, Im lebanese, so I know the history. Secondly, thats right Hamas is a small percentage, which is my point. Get the vast majority of Palestinians to take matters into their own hands and kick Hamas out. They can do it. By sitting and doing nothing, they are *supporting* Hamas. All the populous of a country pays for its governments' actions, which is what is happening now.
EliottA wrote:
Im lebanese
Just as a complete aside, don't you guys have hezbolah who are similar to hamas in their ideals and goals? I may be showing my complete ingnorance of your local geopolitics
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Stan, either have something constructive to say or go back to your conservative rightist hidey-hole. I don't care what reasons you might give, but using a weapon that instantly consumed the lives of near a quarter of a million people with the absolute overwhelming majority being civilians can be considered defense in any way and under any circumstance. I consider it a tar black spot in the history of the US.
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