Managed C++ - worth the effort?
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I do all my coding in C# nowadays. I'm ashamed to admit it :-O , but before .NET it was VB for me and before that plain old BASIC. I've done a little assembly too so I'm not scared of getting 'lower' level. I've just landed a new job (woohoo!) and part of it will be developing a bespoke application. There are no time limits on this and I'll be working on it alone, so I wondered if you guys thought it might be worth the effort of going down the C++ route (is managed C++ that much different to C#?) to broaden my experience? I could code it in C# but I fancy learning something that may prove to be useful. If not managed C++, what would you recommend?
Dave
BTW, in software, hope and pray is not a viable strategy. (Luc Pattyn)
Visual Basic is not used by normal people so we're not covering it here. (Uncyclopedia)C++/CLI is really good for native interop. I wouldn't develop a fully managed app purely in C++/CLI, no. It still doesn't feel like a first-class .NET language, IMO.
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I do all my coding in C# nowadays. I'm ashamed to admit it :-O , but before .NET it was VB for me and before that plain old BASIC. I've done a little assembly too so I'm not scared of getting 'lower' level. I've just landed a new job (woohoo!) and part of it will be developing a bespoke application. There are no time limits on this and I'll be working on it alone, so I wondered if you guys thought it might be worth the effort of going down the C++ route (is managed C++ that much different to C#?) to broaden my experience? I could code it in C# but I fancy learning something that may prove to be useful. If not managed C++, what would you recommend?
Dave
BTW, in software, hope and pray is not a viable strategy. (Luc Pattyn)
Visual Basic is not used by normal people so we're not covering it here. (Uncyclopedia)Do one thing and do it well. Well, OK, I'll get flamed for that, but I certainly wouldn't try to produce a commercial app while trying to learn the language. There are already too many people on here doing that anyway. Write the app in C# and learn something else on the side if you like.
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I do all my coding in C# nowadays. I'm ashamed to admit it :-O , but before .NET it was VB for me and before that plain old BASIC. I've done a little assembly too so I'm not scared of getting 'lower' level. I've just landed a new job (woohoo!) and part of it will be developing a bespoke application. There are no time limits on this and I'll be working on it alone, so I wondered if you guys thought it might be worth the effort of going down the C++ route (is managed C++ that much different to C#?) to broaden my experience? I could code it in C# but I fancy learning something that may prove to be useful. If not managed C++, what would you recommend?
Dave
BTW, in software, hope and pray is not a viable strategy. (Luc Pattyn)
Visual Basic is not used by normal people so we're not covering it here. (Uncyclopedia)Only if you don't mind dealing with dozens of different types for seemingly same things like
class,struct,ref class,ref struct,value class,value struct, *, &, ^, %... :doh: -
Do one thing and do it well. Well, OK, I'll get flamed for that, but I certainly wouldn't try to produce a commercial app while trying to learn the language. There are already too many people on here doing that anyway. Write the app in C# and learn something else on the side if you like.
Agreed. If you want to broaden you experience, show that you can bring a project in on time that a customer is willing to pay for. If you do that, all anyone will care about is where they can find you. When it comes to money, stick to what you know and do well.
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I do all my coding in C# nowadays. I'm ashamed to admit it :-O , but before .NET it was VB for me and before that plain old BASIC. I've done a little assembly too so I'm not scared of getting 'lower' level. I've just landed a new job (woohoo!) and part of it will be developing a bespoke application. There are no time limits on this and I'll be working on it alone, so I wondered if you guys thought it might be worth the effort of going down the C++ route (is managed C++ that much different to C#?) to broaden my experience? I could code it in C# but I fancy learning something that may prove to be useful. If not managed C++, what would you recommend?
Dave
BTW, in software, hope and pray is not a viable strategy. (Luc Pattyn)
Visual Basic is not used by normal people so we're not covering it here. (Uncyclopedia)Learn C++ only if you know you will need it in the future. I have been doing C++ for almost 20 years, and although it does have some advantages C# solves a lot of problems with few drawbacks. Same thing for Java. It's just C++ with a lot of stuff taken out and a few additions. If you want to learn something that may be useful, look into WPF and XAML.
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I do all my coding in C# nowadays. I'm ashamed to admit it :-O , but before .NET it was VB for me and before that plain old BASIC. I've done a little assembly too so I'm not scared of getting 'lower' level. I've just landed a new job (woohoo!) and part of it will be developing a bespoke application. There are no time limits on this and I'll be working on it alone, so I wondered if you guys thought it might be worth the effort of going down the C++ route (is managed C++ that much different to C#?) to broaden my experience? I could code it in C# but I fancy learning something that may prove to be useful. If not managed C++, what would you recommend?
Dave
BTW, in software, hope and pray is not a viable strategy. (Luc Pattyn)
Visual Basic is not used by normal people so we're not covering it here. (Uncyclopedia)There is no need at all to learn c++ at this point and you're going to be pulling out your hair with the memory management learning curve. If it was for a hobby or pure learning enjoyment then have at 'er but as part of a job, no, absolutely not under any circumstances and I say this as someone who wrote c and c++ for decades before moving to c#.
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I do all my coding in C# nowadays. I'm ashamed to admit it :-O , but before .NET it was VB for me and before that plain old BASIC. I've done a little assembly too so I'm not scared of getting 'lower' level. I've just landed a new job (woohoo!) and part of it will be developing a bespoke application. There are no time limits on this and I'll be working on it alone, so I wondered if you guys thought it might be worth the effort of going down the C++ route (is managed C++ that much different to C#?) to broaden my experience? I could code it in C# but I fancy learning something that may prove to be useful. If not managed C++, what would you recommend?
Dave
BTW, in software, hope and pray is not a viable strategy. (Luc Pattyn)
Visual Basic is not used by normal people so we're not covering it here. (Uncyclopedia)Congrats on the job! In college we were taught C++ which made C# very easy to learn. I think it might be more complicated the other direction. C# can do basically the same stuff as C++ (there might be those more knowledgeable than me who might say otherwise) but I like the complexity like dealing with pointers and such. I believe if you can "program" it doesn't matter what language it is in. I took a course where we had to do the same project in 4 languages including OOP languages and non-OOP languages. It really taught me how to sit down, figure out the logic, and then worry about the semantics. It's almost like talking; if you understand noun, verb, adjective...you can learn a new language. You learn that in Spanish the adjective comes after the noun where in English is usually comes before. If you understand the basics, it's just the willingness to learn the specifics. Best of luck on the new job!
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I do all my coding in C# nowadays. I'm ashamed to admit it :-O , but before .NET it was VB for me and before that plain old BASIC. I've done a little assembly too so I'm not scared of getting 'lower' level. I've just landed a new job (woohoo!) and part of it will be developing a bespoke application. There are no time limits on this and I'll be working on it alone, so I wondered if you guys thought it might be worth the effort of going down the C++ route (is managed C++ that much different to C#?) to broaden my experience? I could code it in C# but I fancy learning something that may prove to be useful. If not managed C++, what would you recommend?
Dave
BTW, in software, hope and pray is not a viable strategy. (Luc Pattyn)
Visual Basic is not used by normal people so we're not covering it here. (Uncyclopedia)I would say C# Rocks!!!:thumbsup: The only reason I will choose C# over C++ is memory leak and if in any circumstances if you have to use pointers you can use unsafe code in C#. So why don't you become an expertise on C# rather than going backward. Once again this is my personal opinion.
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I do all my coding in C# nowadays. I'm ashamed to admit it :-O , but before .NET it was VB for me and before that plain old BASIC. I've done a little assembly too so I'm not scared of getting 'lower' level. I've just landed a new job (woohoo!) and part of it will be developing a bespoke application. There are no time limits on this and I'll be working on it alone, so I wondered if you guys thought it might be worth the effort of going down the C++ route (is managed C++ that much different to C#?) to broaden my experience? I could code it in C# but I fancy learning something that may prove to be useful. If not managed C++, what would you recommend?
Dave
BTW, in software, hope and pray is not a viable strategy. (Luc Pattyn)
Visual Basic is not used by normal people so we're not covering it here. (Uncyclopedia)What is a bespoke?
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
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Congrats on the job! In college we were taught C++ which made C# very easy to learn. I think it might be more complicated the other direction. C# can do basically the same stuff as C++ (there might be those more knowledgeable than me who might say otherwise) but I like the complexity like dealing with pointers and such. I believe if you can "program" it doesn't matter what language it is in. I took a course where we had to do the same project in 4 languages including OOP languages and non-OOP languages. It really taught me how to sit down, figure out the logic, and then worry about the semantics. It's almost like talking; if you understand noun, verb, adjective...you can learn a new language. You learn that in Spanish the adjective comes after the noun where in English is usually comes before. If you understand the basics, it's just the willingness to learn the specifics. Best of luck on the new job!
Back in the blog beatch! http://CraptasticNation.blogspot.com/[^]
leckey wrote:
It's almost like talking; if you understand noun, verb, adjective...you can learn a new language. You learn that in Spanish the adjective comes after the noun where in English is usually comes before.
Of course, some (natural) languages require more of a paradigm shift (e.g. tonal languages, like Chinese?). Similarly, some programming languages (Haskell's[^] my current favourite) mess with your head in the same way - they're the best sort to learn, IMO, as they expand your mind the most. Lysergic languages, man...
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leckey wrote:
It's almost like talking; if you understand noun, verb, adjective...you can learn a new language. You learn that in Spanish the adjective comes after the noun where in English is usually comes before.
Of course, some (natural) languages require more of a paradigm shift (e.g. tonal languages, like Chinese?). Similarly, some programming languages (Haskell's[^] my current favourite) mess with your head in the same way - they're the best sort to learn, IMO, as they expand your mind the most. Lysergic languages, man...
I agree there are those "out there" languages...assembly was a bit difficult for me at first. However, most companies embrace the "normal" languages which include the .NET languages (the standards; I know of no one who uses COBOL within .NET although I am sure it is used), VB6 (the legacy that won't frickin' die like a cockroach, C++ and even pure C). Each language has it's pros/cons...
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I think that will be my next step too :)
xacc.ide - now with TabsToSpaces support
IronScheme - 1.0 beta 1 - out now!
((lambda (x) `((lambda (x) ,x) ',x)) '`((lambda (x) ,x) ',x))If, like the OP, I developed .NET, I'd be all over F#. As I target native code, I have a bit more freedom, so I tend to use Haskell when I have the chance rather than OCaml, which is F#'s inspiration - I don't know why, but I've always preferred what Haskell offers.
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What is a bespoke?
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I do all my coding in C# nowadays. I'm ashamed to admit it :-O , but before .NET it was VB for me and before that plain old BASIC. I've done a little assembly too so I'm not scared of getting 'lower' level. I've just landed a new job (woohoo!) and part of it will be developing a bespoke application. There are no time limits on this and I'll be working on it alone, so I wondered if you guys thought it might be worth the effort of going down the C++ route (is managed C++ that much different to C#?) to broaden my experience? I could code it in C# but I fancy learning something that may prove to be useful. If not managed C++, what would you recommend?
Dave
BTW, in software, hope and pray is not a viable strategy. (Luc Pattyn)
Visual Basic is not used by normal people so we're not covering it here. (Uncyclopedia)Thanks for all the input CPians! Plenty to have a think about here, just what I needed. :-D
Dave
BTW, in software, hope and pray is not a viable strategy. (Luc Pattyn)
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Agreed. If you want to broaden you experience, show that you can bring a project in on time that a customer is willing to pay for. If you do that, all anyone will care about is where they can find you. When it comes to money, stick to what you know and do well.
The poor guy wants to learn something new! Don't discourage him. Just lead him in a useful direction which Managed-C++ is not. I would suggest :thumbsup: VB6 :thumbsup:
Todd Smith
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What is a bespoke?
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
What is a bespoke?
May be Desktop
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I do all my coding in C# nowadays. I'm ashamed to admit it :-O , but before .NET it was VB for me and before that plain old BASIC. I've done a little assembly too so I'm not scared of getting 'lower' level. I've just landed a new job (woohoo!) and part of it will be developing a bespoke application. There are no time limits on this and I'll be working on it alone, so I wondered if you guys thought it might be worth the effort of going down the C++ route (is managed C++ that much different to C#?) to broaden my experience? I could code it in C# but I fancy learning something that may prove to be useful. If not managed C++, what would you recommend?
Dave
BTW, in software, hope and pray is not a viable strategy. (Luc Pattyn)
Visual Basic is not used by normal people so we're not covering it here. (Uncyclopedia)I agree with most of the previous writers. If you tend do go into embedded programming where you have restrictions on memory/performance it might be a good idea to jump on the C++ train. On the other side, from my experience, I would rather invest in learning more on C# and software design issues. For client applications the suggestion for WPF/XAML is a good idea too. I think these two technologies definitely have a future. Hope I helped a little bit and good luck at your new job from switzerland Dani
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I do all my coding in C# nowadays. I'm ashamed to admit it :-O , but before .NET it was VB for me and before that plain old BASIC. I've done a little assembly too so I'm not scared of getting 'lower' level. I've just landed a new job (woohoo!) and part of it will be developing a bespoke application. There are no time limits on this and I'll be working on it alone, so I wondered if you guys thought it might be worth the effort of going down the C++ route (is managed C++ that much different to C#?) to broaden my experience? I could code it in C# but I fancy learning something that may prove to be useful. If not managed C++, what would you recommend?
Dave
BTW, in software, hope and pray is not a viable strategy. (Luc Pattyn)
Visual Basic is not used by normal people so we're not covering it here. (Uncyclopedia)I'd agree with others that you'd better not try a new language on entire project, but hey, you can write some components in managed C++, just for the fun of it. Then you can write some in un-managed C++, to feel the difference. With C++ you will get - different kind of templates (sorely missed by me in C# and Java): templates that allow to apply patterns to un-related classes - destructors to manage external resources (instead of using the "using" construct) And with unmanaged C++ you will also get multiple inheritance. Just do not use pointers - use smart pointers or shared pointers (download "boost" library for example) or write your own smart-pointer template ;P
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What is a bespoke?
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
What is a bespoke?
They hold a bewheel together.