Speaking of crap TV
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Maxxx_ wrote:
Steiner don't formally teach reading until they're about
:wtf: I supposed they have some justification for this but it sounds like the purest definition of education failure I can imagine. By the age of 7 I was reading adult novels.
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Reading instruction, as such, is deferred. Instead, writing is taught first. During the first grade the children explore how our alphabet came about, discovering, as the ancients did, how each letter's form evolved out of a pictograph. Writing thus evolves out of the children's art, and their ability to read likewise evolves as a natural and, indeed, comparatively effortless stage of their mastery of language. (from the Steiner bumph) We know a lot of local kids who are going through this and all seem to be v well adjusted.
John C wrote:
By the age of 7 I was reading adult novels.
Maybe by 7 Henry will be writing them :) (And I hope you don't mean 'adult' novels ;)
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I don't know exactly when I actually started reading, but I know when I found out I already knew how to read - I was barely 5, and was sighing and wishing I knew how to read so I could hurry and finish the book my dad was reading to us each night. My mom turned to me and said, "Honey, you can and do read already, didn't you know that?" She proceeded to write a short story for me made up of words she knew I knew, and lo and behold, I could read the story! I dived right in. Picture books? Hah! Only when they made me read "See Spot run. Run, Spot, run!" at school. I went straight for what I thought of as REAL books, not books for babies. I started with Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys almost immediately, read The Hobbit, followed by The Lord of the Rings trilogy at the age of seven, and my first exposure to sci-fi was a couple of Heinlein juveniles just before I turned 8. I can't imagine why a school would want to wait that late to start kids reading.
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ResidentGeek wrote:
I can't imagine why a school would want to wait that late to start kids reading.
they don't actually not teach reading (see my response elsewhere) but they do teach letters, shapes, sounds etc. frankly, Henry can already read a number of words - and like many others I believe that kids learn to read MUCH better at home (in the right environment) than at school - and that is what seems to happen at Steiner (or at ours, anyway) -that is, the kids tend to be learning to read at home, and this is supported at the school - but there is no 'formal' reading education.
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We saw the tired signs video at the prenatal classes. Our boy is a good sleeper generally but we had hoped he would be sleeping through the night by now. We started on him solids at 4 months hoping that would help but no joy yet. He goes to bed at 6:30pm, wakes for a feed about 3am and again at 5am then will sometimes go back down till about 7am. Given some of the stories I hear from the mothers group we cant complain too much
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I had to buy a Sonic Boom Alarm with Bed Shaker(tm) to get my teen out of bed. Enjoy it while you can.
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ResidentGeek wrote:
I can't imagine why a school would want to wait that late to start kids reading.
they don't actually not teach reading (see my response elsewhere) but they do teach letters, shapes, sounds etc. frankly, Henry can already read a number of words - and like many others I believe that kids learn to read MUCH better at home (in the right environment) than at school - and that is what seems to happen at Steiner (or at ours, anyway) -that is, the kids tend to be learning to read at home, and this is supported at the school - but there is no 'formal' reading education.
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Maxxx_ wrote:
Henry can already read a number of words
I can count up to eleventyseven too!
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We're sending my boy to a Steiner school - where they strongly discourage TV (especially before school). He wakes up at about 5:45 each morning (regardless of what time he goes to bed) so TV has been our sanity saver, as I can get him to watch for 30 minutes while I wake up and prepare myself to face the day! What the heck am going to do with him with no TV? He'll get SpongeBob withdrawal! Those of you with young kids - what do you do with yours in the mornings? (Unless you're lucky enough to have a sleeper-in!) Those of you without - get some sleep now, while you can!
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We're sending my boy to a Steiner school - where they strongly discourage TV (especially before school). He wakes up at about 5:45 each morning (regardless of what time he goes to bed) so TV has been our sanity saver, as I can get him to watch for 30 minutes while I wake up and prepare myself to face the day! What the heck am going to do with him with no TV? He'll get SpongeBob withdrawal! Those of you with young kids - what do you do with yours in the mornings? (Unless you're lucky enough to have a sleeper-in!) Those of you without - get some sleep now, while you can!
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NO SPONGEBOB! :mad: It's for pot-heads. Provided my son (second grade) gets up and is dressed and is eating breakfast I let him watch half an hour of the Disney Channel (prefereably "Little Einsteins"). I try to stick to Disney and PBS. At the moment, we have the Weather Channel on.
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Reading instruction, as such, is deferred. Instead, writing is taught first. During the first grade the children explore how our alphabet came about, discovering, as the ancients did, how each letter's form evolved out of a pictograph. Writing thus evolves out of the children's art, and their ability to read likewise evolves as a natural and, indeed, comparatively effortless stage of their mastery of language. (from the Steiner bumph) We know a lot of local kids who are going through this and all seem to be v well adjusted.
John C wrote:
By the age of 7 I was reading adult novels.
Maybe by 7 Henry will be writing them :) (And I hope you don't mean 'adult' novels ;)
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Maxxx_ wrote:
And I hope you don't mean 'adult' novels
Well I remember reading Jaws by Peter Benchley when I was 7 or maybe younger and I seem to recall it had some "adult" themes in it. :) Before 7 I was reading the Hardy Boys, Nancy Drew, Lord of the rings, the hobbit etc etc and a lot of sci fi afterwards. Pretty much what the other guy said who replied earlier.
Maxxx_ wrote:
well adjusted
Were they out of "adjustment" in the first place? Seriously is that a code word for something or one of those modern well sounding but ultimately meaningless phrases? I think a love of reading is instilled at a young age by reading to kids. Kids do what they're parents do, if they see their parent reading to them at a very young age daily they pretty much can't help but become avid readers their whole life and nothing in my opinion can prepare them more importantly for a life outside the "coal mines" than that. What you're describing sounds more like a school for artists than scientists. :) Children should see their parents reading, doing art and outdoor sports as much as possible at a young age and participating as they get older. *That* is the way to raise a well rounded person who will be successful and happy in life. School just can't do it for them alone no matter what the philosophy behind it.
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NO SPONGEBOB! :mad: It's for pot-heads. Provided my son (second grade) gets up and is dressed and is eating breakfast I let him watch half an hour of the Disney Channel (prefereably "Little Einsteins"). I try to stick to Disney and PBS. At the moment, we have the Weather Channel on.
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
NO SPONGEBOB! It's for pot-heads.
Spongebob is one of the greatest cartoons on TV in recent years! I'm not sure why you think it's for pot heads and why you'd disallow your son to watch it. :confused: The Misadventures of Flapjack on the other hand... well, the art style and voices in that one have a slightly disturbing edge to them, but nothing that I would prevent my 2nd grader from watching.
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Maxxx_ wrote:
And I hope you don't mean 'adult' novels
Well I remember reading Jaws by Peter Benchley when I was 7 or maybe younger and I seem to recall it had some "adult" themes in it. :) Before 7 I was reading the Hardy Boys, Nancy Drew, Lord of the rings, the hobbit etc etc and a lot of sci fi afterwards. Pretty much what the other guy said who replied earlier.
Maxxx_ wrote:
well adjusted
Were they out of "adjustment" in the first place? Seriously is that a code word for something or one of those modern well sounding but ultimately meaningless phrases? I think a love of reading is instilled at a young age by reading to kids. Kids do what they're parents do, if they see their parent reading to them at a very young age daily they pretty much can't help but become avid readers their whole life and nothing in my opinion can prepare them more importantly for a life outside the "coal mines" than that. What you're describing sounds more like a school for artists than scientists. :) Children should see their parents reading, doing art and outdoor sports as much as possible at a young age and participating as they get older. *That* is the way to raise a well rounded person who will be successful and happy in life. School just can't do it for them alone no matter what the philosophy behind it.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson
John C wrote:
School just can't do it for them alone no matter what the philosophy behind it.
100% absolutely! I think that's part of the problem these days (and part of the reason for us moving school choice) So many parents of 4 year olds wanted their kids to be sitting in class and learning to read - but obviously weren't reading to them themselves (more than one of Henry's friends ha a TV and video game in their bedroom which they use before bed) That's why I don't worry about them not being formally taught to read early - because we read to Henry every day. (His favourite book at the moment is 'Wildlife of Brisbane' - he's into he Spider section - and can read the word 'Deadly' :)
John C wrote:
What you're describing sounds more like a school for artists than scientists.
t sounds that way, but you'd be amazed at the things they get up to - but it is practical, hands-on and not theoreical - which IMHO is the best way to learn by far.
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NO SPONGEBOB! :mad: It's for pot-heads. Provided my son (second grade) gets up and is dressed and is eating breakfast I let him watch half an hour of the Disney Channel (prefereably "Little Einsteins"). I try to stick to Disney and PBS. At the moment, we have the Weather Channel on.
Spongebob is great! It's one of the few kids shows that both adults and children can watch together with completely different points of view, and still enjoy! A bit like the Batman TV series - I remember being really excited by it and taking it seriously when I was about 8 - waiting for next weeks episode (same Bat-Time, same Bat-Channel) to see if Batman and Robin would escape from the Joker's fiendish trap!
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