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'Vista Capable' case could cost Microsoft $8.5B

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    Hans Dietrich
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    I hope I'm not posting this in the 'pro-Vista' timezone: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=windows&articleId=9126659&taxonomyId=125&intsrc=kc_top[^]

    Best wishes, Hans


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      I hope I'm not posting this in the 'pro-Vista' timezone: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=windows&articleId=9126659&taxonomyId=125&intsrc=kc_top[^]

      Best wishes, Hans


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      hairy_hats
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      I accept that a "Vista Capable"-labelled PC could indeed run a version of Vista, but it was like advertising a "Motorway-capable" car with a top speed of 50 mph - not a lie, but not telling the whole story either. There's lies, damn lies, statistics - and advertising.

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        I accept that a "Vista Capable"-labelled PC could indeed run a version of Vista, but it was like advertising a "Motorway-capable" car with a top speed of 50 mph - not a lie, but not telling the whole story either. There's lies, damn lies, statistics - and advertising.

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        Mladen Jankovic
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        Steve_Harris wrote:

        There's lies, damn lies, statistics, advertising and lawsuits.

        Corrected :)

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          I accept that a "Vista Capable"-labelled PC could indeed run a version of Vista, but it was like advertising a "Motorway-capable" car with a top speed of 50 mph - not a lie, but not telling the whole story either. There's lies, damn lies, statistics - and advertising.

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          Steve Hansen
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          But the car would still be Motorway-capable... People are just stupid... Oh no, I bought a nVidia card at 5$ and it won't play Crysis, but it says it can handle 3D!

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            But the car would still be Motorway-capable... People are just stupid... Oh no, I bought a nVidia card at 5$ and it won't play Crysis, but it says it can handle 3D!

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            hairy_hats
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            It would be OK if the car was shown driving really slowly with all the other cars zooming past, but Vista will have been shown with all the bells and whistles and that is what people will therefore expect from it.

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              I hope I'm not posting this in the 'pro-Vista' timezone: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=windows&articleId=9126659&taxonomyId=125&intsrc=kc_top[^]

              Best wishes, Hans


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              leppie
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              Did some J2EE expert design that stuff? I have never had to code so many redundant layers in my life. And, the team that integrated the designer into VS should be shot for a total time of every second it made VS freeze for every single person ever frustrated by it...

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                It would be OK if the car was shown driving really slowly with all the other cars zooming past, but Vista will have been shown with all the bells and whistles and that is what people will therefore expect from it.

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                Steve Hansen
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                True, but it's marketing and nobody shows its product as being bad :p

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                  But the car would still be Motorway-capable... People are just stupid... Oh no, I bought a nVidia card at 5$ and it won't play Crysis, but it says it can handle 3D!

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                  Dan Neely
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                  Steve Hansen wrote:

                  Oh no, I bought a nVidia card at 500$ and it won't play Crysis, but it says it can handle 3D!

                  Fixed that for you. :-\

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                    I hope I'm not posting this in the 'pro-Vista' timezone: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=windows&articleId=9126659&taxonomyId=125&intsrc=kc_top[^]

                    Best wishes, Hans


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                    Dirk Higbee
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                    Microsoft may have tried to put a little more value on the Basic pc's, but ultimately it's the retailer that sets the consumer selling price and their young, smooth talking salesmen are the ones that are driven by their managers to clear the shelves of them.

                    The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one

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                      But the car would still be Motorway-capable... People are just stupid... Oh no, I bought a nVidia card at 5$ and it won't play Crysis, but it says it can handle 3D!

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                      Steve Hansen wrote:

                      Oh no, I bought a nVidia card at 5$ and it won't play Crysis, but it says it can handle 3D!

                      Oh no, I bought a Wii, and it won't play Wii games! Oh no, I bought a toaster, but it won't toast bread!

                      Steve Hansen wrote:

                      People are just stupid...

                      When life gives you lemons, shut up and eat your damn lemons, eh? ;-)

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                      You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.

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                        Did some J2EE expert design that stuff? I have never had to code so many redundant layers in my life. And, the team that integrated the designer into VS should be shot for a total time of every second it made VS freeze for every single person ever frustrated by it...

                        xacc.ide - now with TabsToSpaces support
                        IronScheme - 1.0 beta 1 - out now!
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                        leppie wrote:

                        Did some J2EE expert design that stuff?

                        BizTalk expert, apparently.

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                        You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.

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                        • H Hans Dietrich

                          I hope I'm not posting this in the 'pro-Vista' timezone: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=windows&articleId=9126659&taxonomyId=125&intsrc=kc_top[^]

                          Best wishes, Hans


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                          peterchen
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                          My only wish would be that the asshats who thought it would be a good idea to unleash this confusion on consumers will have to pay this off, dime by dime.

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                          • H Hans Dietrich

                            I hope I'm not posting this in the 'pro-Vista' timezone: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=windows&articleId=9126659&taxonomyId=125&intsrc=kc_top[^]

                            Best wishes, Hans


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                            Joe Woodbury
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                            It could also cost them nothing. Regardless, we know for certainty that the plaintiff lawyers will walk away will millions and the consumers will at most end up with a token settlement.

                            Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke

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                              It could also cost them nothing. Regardless, we know for certainty that the plaintiff lawyers will walk away will millions and the consumers will at most end up with a token settlement.

                              Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke

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                              Hans Dietrich
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                              Joe Woodbury wrote:

                              Regardless, we know for certainty that the plaintiff lawyers will walk away will millions and the consumers will at most end up with a token settlement.

                              Law 101

                              Best wishes, Hans


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