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  • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

    This isn't a new annoyance. Just every time I have to deal with it I get all riled up. In the C# language

    true
    false

    but

    true.ToString() == "True"
    false.ToString() == "False"

    Of course xml is "true" and "false" http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-2/#boolean[^] Whomever At Microsoft Decided That Everything No Matter What Should Start With A Capital Letter Should Be Dragged Outside And Shot.

    Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
    If you don't ask questions the answers won't stand in your way.
    Most of this sig is for Google, not ego.

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    Rama Krishna Vavilala
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    The real problem is not that ToString returns "True" and "False". Rather I think the real issue us that there is no way to get a culture specific string from a Boolean. even ToString(IFormatProvider ) ignores culture.

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    • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

      I am not doing a string comparison, if I were I would be using String.Compare. However, typing the comparison seemed to be the easiest way to illustrate the issue which turns into an absolute charlie foxtrot when doing web development. Of course that is probably my biggest problem right there. Why can't I just do windows forms and be done with the crap. (Or at least move on to other crap)

      Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
      If you don't ask questions the answers won't stand in your way.
      Most of this sig is for Google, not ego.

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      Rama Krishna Vavilala
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      :confused: What has web development to do with Boolean string representation (and howis it not significant in windows forms development)?

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      • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

        :confused: What has web development to do with Boolean string representation (and howis it not significant in windows forms development)?

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        Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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        In windows development you can and should always use the Boolean object. In web development you must constantly switch between object and string representation. I have a lot of casing rants with respect to ASP.NET however.

        Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
        If you don't ask questions the answers won't stand in your way.
        Most of this sig is for Google, not ego.

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        • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

          This isn't a new annoyance. Just every time I have to deal with it I get all riled up. In the C# language

          true
          false

          but

          true.ToString() == "True"
          false.ToString() == "False"

          Of course xml is "true" and "false" http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-2/#boolean[^] Whomever At Microsoft Decided That Everything No Matter What Should Start With A Capital Letter Should Be Dragged Outside And Shot.

          Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
          If you don't ask questions the answers won't stand in your way.
          Most of this sig is for Google, not ego.

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          Daniel Grunwald
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          If you're using XML, use System.Xml.XmlConvert[^] instead of the normal conversions.

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          • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

            This isn't a new annoyance. Just every time I have to deal with it I get all riled up. In the C# language

            true
            false

            but

            true.ToString() == "True"
            false.ToString() == "False"

            Of course xml is "true" and "false" http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-2/#boolean[^] Whomever At Microsoft Decided That Everything No Matter What Should Start With A Capital Letter Should Be Dragged Outside And Shot.

            Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
            If you don't ask questions the answers won't stand in your way.
            Most of this sig is for Google, not ego.

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            Colin Angus Mackay
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            Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

            gotta love .NET

            You don't HAVE to love .NET... But I do. It is warm and fuzzy :-D

            * Developer Day Scotland 2 - Free community conference * The Blog of Colin Angus Mackay


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            • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

              The real problem is not that ToString returns "True" and "False". Rather I think the real issue us that there is no way to get a culture specific string from a Boolean. even ToString(IFormatProvider ) ignores culture.

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              emiaj
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              While MS keep pushing us with new stuffs, the old bugs never get fixed.

              Jaime Febres The worst blog in the world

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              • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                This isn't a new annoyance. Just every time I have to deal with it I get all riled up. In the C# language

                true
                false

                but

                true.ToString() == "True"
                false.ToString() == "False"

                Of course xml is "true" and "false" http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-2/#boolean[^] Whomever At Microsoft Decided That Everything No Matter What Should Start With A Capital Letter Should Be Dragged Outside And Shot.

                Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
                If you don't ask questions the answers won't stand in your way.
                Most of this sig is for Google, not ego.

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                leppie
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                TypeConverter is your friend :)

                xacc.ide - now with TabsToSpaces support
                IronScheme - 1.0 beta 1 - out now!
                ((lambda (x) `((lambda (x) ,x) ',x)) '`((lambda (x) ,x) ',x))

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                • L leppie

                  TypeConverter is your friend :)

                  xacc.ide - now with TabsToSpaces support
                  IronScheme - 1.0 beta 1 - out now!
                  ((lambda (x) `((lambda (x) ,x) ',x)) '`((lambda (x) ,x) ',x))

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                  Pete OHanlon
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                  leppie wrote:

                  TypeConverter is your friend

                  He's not mine - I beat the crap out of him when he refused to stand his round. Cheap b4st4rd.

                  "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

                  My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys

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                  • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                    This isn't a new annoyance. Just every time I have to deal with it I get all riled up. In the C# language

                    true
                    false

                    but

                    true.ToString() == "True"
                    false.ToString() == "False"

                    Of course xml is "true" and "false" http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-2/#boolean[^] Whomever At Microsoft Decided That Everything No Matter What Should Start With A Capital Letter Should Be Dragged Outside And Shot.

                    Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
                    If you don't ask questions the answers won't stand in your way.
                    Most of this sig is for Google, not ego.

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                    Brady Kelly
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                    I am sooo with you on that. :mad:

                    All Sorted

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                    • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                      In windows development you can and should always use the Boolean object. In web development you must constantly switch between object and string representation. I have a lot of casing rants with respect to ASP.NET however.

                      Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
                      If you don't ask questions the answers won't stand in your way.
                      Most of this sig is for Google, not ego.

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                      Member 96
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                      Yeah I hear you, I have a lot of code in my asp.net interfaces for doing string conversions.


                      "It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson

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                      • P Pete OHanlon

                        leppie wrote:

                        TypeConverter is your friend

                        He's not mine - I beat the crap out of him when he refused to stand his round. Cheap b4st4rd.

                        "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

                        My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys

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                        Nish Nishant
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                        Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                        He's not mine

                        "He"? I thought we all agreed that all BCL converter classes are female, Pete? And then you go ahead and disregard that! :|

                        Regards, Nish


                        Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
                        My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link

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                          Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                          He's not mine

                          "He"? I thought we all agreed that all BCL converter classes are female, Pete? And then you go ahead and disregard that! :|

                          Regards, Nish


                          Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
                          My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link

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                          Pete OHanlon
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #16

                          Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                          I thought we all agreed that all BCL converter classes are female, Pete? And then you go ahead and disregard that!

                          No female would be so stupid as to get between me and my drink. Period. Add your own punchlines.

                          "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

                          My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys

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                          • C Christian Graus

                            I would never do a string comparison that did not ignore case.

                            Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.

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                            CPallini
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                            I would never do the opposite. :)

                            If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
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                            • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                              The real problem is not that ToString returns "True" and "False". Rather I think the real issue us that there is no way to get a culture specific string from a Boolean. even ToString(IFormatProvider ) ignores culture.

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                              PIEBALDconsult
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                              Ah, so you want the ability to have: true == ":thumbsup:" and false == ":thumbsdown:"

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                              • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                                The real problem is not that ToString returns "True" and "False". Rather I think the real issue us that there is no way to get a culture specific string from a Boolean. even ToString(IFormatProvider ) ignores culture.

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                                Kastellanos Nikos
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                                Which reminds me that C had it right from the begining.

                                #define FALSE 0
                                #define TRUE !FALSE

                                I believe we can all agree to that and let our cultural differences aside.. :)

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                                • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                                  This isn't a new annoyance. Just every time I have to deal with it I get all riled up. In the C# language

                                  true
                                  false

                                  but

                                  true.ToString() == "True"
                                  false.ToString() == "False"

                                  Of course xml is "true" and "false" http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-2/#boolean[^] Whomever At Microsoft Decided That Everything No Matter What Should Start With A Capital Letter Should Be Dragged Outside And Shot.

                                  Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
                                  If you don't ask questions the answers won't stand in your way.
                                  Most of this sig is for Google, not ego.

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                                  Peter Kibble
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                                  Just go with the flow, accept most human endevours are flawed and avoid fundementalism.

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                                  • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                                    This isn't a new annoyance. Just every time I have to deal with it I get all riled up. In the C# language

                                    true
                                    false

                                    but

                                    true.ToString() == "True"
                                    false.ToString() == "False"

                                    Of course xml is "true" and "false" http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-2/#boolean[^] Whomever At Microsoft Decided That Everything No Matter What Should Start With A Capital Letter Should Be Dragged Outside And Shot.

                                    Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
                                    If you don't ask questions the answers won't stand in your way.
                                    Most of this sig is for Google, not ego.

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                                    Schmuli
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                                    I would have to say, having read most of the previous replies, that this is one of those cases where there is more than one way to perform one operation. In this case, converting a non-string into a string value. Saying that the returned value from Boolean.ToString() should be lower-case just because XML defines the string definition of a Boolean as such, means that at some point, when you expect upper-case, the framework is again unreliable. As pointed out, and the XML classes in .NET, such as XmlWriter, already do, you can use the XmlConvert class to get a XML representation. For example, when using an XmlWriter, there is a WriteValue(bool value) method, which will handle the conversion in a similar manner.

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                                    • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                                      The real problem is not that ToString returns "True" and "False". Rather I think the real issue us that there is no way to get a culture specific string from a Boolean. even ToString(IFormatProvider ) ignores culture.

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                                      Schmuli
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                                      Could I suggest you look at CultureInfo Class[^] for more details on culture specific formatting. Specifically, look at the TextInfo property and what it represents. You should then understand why your statement is incorrect in this circumstance.

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                                      • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                                        This isn't a new annoyance. Just every time I have to deal with it I get all riled up. In the C# language

                                        true
                                        false

                                        but

                                        true.ToString() == "True"
                                        false.ToString() == "False"

                                        Of course xml is "true" and "false" http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-2/#boolean[^] Whomever At Microsoft Decided That Everything No Matter What Should Start With A Capital Letter Should Be Dragged Outside And Shot.

                                        Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
                                        If you don't ask questions the answers won't stand in your way.
                                        Most of this sig is for Google, not ego.

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                                        DaveyM69
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                                        Gotta say, every time I try and do anything to 'connect' to other (normally non MS) technologies in .NET I end up creating simple wrappers around alot of the types. This would be another potential case - just to override the default ToString implemtation.

                                        Dave
                                        BTW, in software, hope and pray is not a viable strategy. (Luc Pattyn)
                                        Visual Basic is not used by normal people so we're not covering it here. (Uncyclopedia)

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