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    Jim Crafton
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    Can anyone confirm or deny this atrocity? http://blogs.msdn.com/ricom/archive/2008/12/02/visual-studio-today-tomorrow-and-beyond.aspx#9172277[^] Are they really planning on build an IDE with WPF? Am I missing something? Is this just old news that I've missed out on? //edit On further googling, it looks like this is a definite. Seems initially like not such a good idea, but I'll be curious to see how well it works.

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      Can anyone confirm or deny this atrocity? http://blogs.msdn.com/ricom/archive/2008/12/02/visual-studio-today-tomorrow-and-beyond.aspx#9172277[^] Are they really planning on build an IDE with WPF? Am I missing something? Is this just old news that I've missed out on? //edit On further googling, it looks like this is a definite. Seems initially like not such a good idea, but I'll be curious to see how well it works.

      ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog Just Say No to Web 2 Point Oh

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      realJSOP
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      If it's good enough for Weven, it's good enough for Visual Stupido...

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        Can anyone confirm or deny this atrocity? http://blogs.msdn.com/ricom/archive/2008/12/02/visual-studio-today-tomorrow-and-beyond.aspx#9172277[^] Are they really planning on build an IDE with WPF? Am I missing something? Is this just old news that I've missed out on? //edit On further googling, it looks like this is a definite. Seems initially like not such a good idea, but I'll be curious to see how well it works.

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        Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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        As if Visual Studio wasn't slow enough already.

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        • J Jim Crafton

          Can anyone confirm or deny this atrocity? http://blogs.msdn.com/ricom/archive/2008/12/02/visual-studio-today-tomorrow-and-beyond.aspx#9172277[^] Are they really planning on build an IDE with WPF? Am I missing something? Is this just old news that I've missed out on? //edit On further googling, it looks like this is a definite. Seems initially like not such a good idea, but I'll be curious to see how well it works.

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          l a u r e n
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          but but but... it will be shineeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee......... :rolleyes: [edit] but do you think this will let them add current line highlight? [/edit]

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          • J Jim Crafton

            Can anyone confirm or deny this atrocity? http://blogs.msdn.com/ricom/archive/2008/12/02/visual-studio-today-tomorrow-and-beyond.aspx#9172277[^] Are they really planning on build an IDE with WPF? Am I missing something? Is this just old news that I've missed out on? //edit On further googling, it looks like this is a definite. Seems initially like not such a good idea, but I'll be curious to see how well it works.

            ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog Just Say No to Web 2 Point Oh

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            Nemanja Trifunovic
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            Jim Crafton wrote:

            Can anyone confirm or deny this atrocity?

            Confirmed[^]. It is used for the new code editor. Not that I would use VS for code editing anyway :)

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            • J Jim Crafton

              Can anyone confirm or deny this atrocity? http://blogs.msdn.com/ricom/archive/2008/12/02/visual-studio-today-tomorrow-and-beyond.aspx#9172277[^] Are they really planning on build an IDE with WPF? Am I missing something? Is this just old news that I've missed out on? //edit On further googling, it looks like this is a definite. Seems initially like not such a good idea, but I'll be curious to see how well it works.

              ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog Just Say No to Web 2 Point Oh

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              Nish Nishant
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              Well it already uses Windows Forms - so, I don't think WPF would make it slower in particular. In fact it may get faster with a good fast video card.

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                Well it already uses Windows Forms - so, I don't think WPF would make it slower in particular. In fact it may get faster with a good fast video card.

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                Nemanja Trifunovic
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                Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                Well it already uses Windows Forms

                Not for the code editor, AFAIK.

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                  Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                  Well it already uses Windows Forms

                  Not for the code editor, AFAIK.

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                  Nish Nishant
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                  Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                  Not for the code editor, AFAIK.

                  True.

                  Regards, Nish


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                  • J Jim Crafton

                    Can anyone confirm or deny this atrocity? http://blogs.msdn.com/ricom/archive/2008/12/02/visual-studio-today-tomorrow-and-beyond.aspx#9172277[^] Are they really planning on build an IDE with WPF? Am I missing something? Is this just old news that I've missed out on? //edit On further googling, it looks like this is a definite. Seems initially like not such a good idea, but I'll be curious to see how well it works.

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                    Ernest Laurentin
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                    Only the startup page!

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                    • N Nemanja Trifunovic

                      Jim Crafton wrote:

                      Can anyone confirm or deny this atrocity?

                      Confirmed[^]. It is used for the new code editor. Not that I would use VS for code editing anyway :)

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                      Jim Crafton
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                      What about the rest of the IDE? The few things I read seemed to imply that the whole shell was going the way of WPF.

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                      • J Jim Crafton

                        Can anyone confirm or deny this atrocity? http://blogs.msdn.com/ricom/archive/2008/12/02/visual-studio-today-tomorrow-and-beyond.aspx#9172277[^] Are they really planning on build an IDE with WPF? Am I missing something? Is this just old news that I've missed out on? //edit On further googling, it looks like this is a definite. Seems initially like not such a good idea, but I'll be curious to see how well it works.

                        ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog Just Say No to Web 2 Point Oh

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                        Stuart Dootson
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                        Yes, they're using WPF for the editor. Judging by the CTP, it's not adversely affecting performance - if anything, it's quicker than VS2008, even running in VPC vs VS2008 running native.

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                          Can anyone confirm or deny this atrocity? http://blogs.msdn.com/ricom/archive/2008/12/02/visual-studio-today-tomorrow-and-beyond.aspx#9172277[^] Are they really planning on build an IDE with WPF? Am I missing something? Is this just old news that I've missed out on? //edit On further googling, it looks like this is a definite. Seems initially like not such a good idea, but I'll be curious to see how well it works.

                          ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog Just Say No to Web 2 Point Oh

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                          Pete OHanlon
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                          I have high hopes for it. Knowing the calibre of some of the developers, I think this is a positive step.

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                            Only the startup page!

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                            Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                            Nope! The code editor is in WPF too.

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                              Yes, they're using WPF for the editor. Judging by the CTP, it's not adversely affecting performance - if anything, it's quicker than VS2008, even running in VPC vs VS2008 running native.

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                              Jim Crafton
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                              Just for the editor? If so, what's the point?, Rather, what's the big deal, other than pretty text, assuming you don't mind WPF text rendering.

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                                Can anyone confirm or deny this atrocity? http://blogs.msdn.com/ricom/archive/2008/12/02/visual-studio-today-tomorrow-and-beyond.aspx#9172277[^] Are they really planning on build an IDE with WPF? Am I missing something? Is this just old news that I've missed out on? //edit On further googling, it looks like this is a definite. Seems initially like not such a good idea, but I'll be curious to see how well it works.

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                                Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                                Yes VS2010 start page an dthe code editor are developed using WPF. Yes it is sorta old news. I posted about it long time back. ;)

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                                  Yes VS2010 start page an dthe code editor are developed using WPF. Yes it is sorta old news. I posted about it long time back. ;)

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                                  Jim Crafton
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                                  Well I'm getting slow in my dotage...

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                                    but but but... it will be shineeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee......... :rolleyes: [edit] but do you think this will let them add current line highlight? [/edit]

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                                    Shog9 0
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                                    l a u r e n wrote:

                                    but do you think this will let them add current line highlight?

                                    From what i've heard, that's the idea. Well, not that specifically, but in terms of making it easier to add graphical enhancements to the editor without the horrible, fragile hacks necessary to do so in previous versions of VS.

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                                      Can anyone confirm or deny this atrocity? http://blogs.msdn.com/ricom/archive/2008/12/02/visual-studio-today-tomorrow-and-beyond.aspx#9172277[^] Are they really planning on build an IDE with WPF? Am I missing something? Is this just old news that I've missed out on? //edit On further googling, it looks like this is a definite. Seems initially like not such a good idea, but I'll be curious to see how well it works.

                                      ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog Just Say No to Web 2 Point Oh

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                                      FWIW, Rico Mariani is one of the people behind this, so i expect it will at least perform as well as the old editor. I don't necessarily expect it to become fast enough that i'll want to use it for general-purpose text editing, but every little bit helps.

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                                        Can anyone confirm or deny this atrocity? http://blogs.msdn.com/ricom/archive/2008/12/02/visual-studio-today-tomorrow-and-beyond.aspx#9172277[^] Are they really planning on build an IDE with WPF? Am I missing something? Is this just old news that I've missed out on? //edit On further googling, it looks like this is a definite. Seems initially like not such a good idea, but I'll be curious to see how well it works.

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                                        Christian Graus
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                                        There was an outcry b/c there was no WPF code in Vista, and people were speculating that meant MS was not serious about WPF. So, I'd say it's political more than anything. I can't imagine what you'd need WPF for, in a code editor.

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                                          There was an outcry b/c there was no WPF code in Vista, and people were speculating that meant MS was not serious about WPF. So, I'd say it's political more than anything. I can't imagine what you'd need WPF for, in a code editor.

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                                          Jim Crafton
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                                          That was my thought too. However the WPF text classes are more sophisticated than what's in WinForms so maybe that was what attracted them. There is the concern over how this renders the text, I know I have seen some things where the text rendering was actually kind of annoying, but maybe that's something that will be fixed as a result of this.

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