New Visual Studio built with WPF
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Can anyone confirm or deny this atrocity? http://blogs.msdn.com/ricom/archive/2008/12/02/visual-studio-today-tomorrow-and-beyond.aspx#9172277[^] Are they really planning on build an IDE with WPF? Am I missing something? Is this just old news that I've missed out on? //edit On further googling, it looks like this is a definite. Seems initially like not such a good idea, but I'll be curious to see how well it works.
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FWIW, Rico Mariani is one of the people behind this, so i expect it will at least perform as well as the old editor. I don't necessarily expect it to become fast enough that i'll want to use it for general-purpose text editing, but every little bit helps.
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Can anyone confirm or deny this atrocity? http://blogs.msdn.com/ricom/archive/2008/12/02/visual-studio-today-tomorrow-and-beyond.aspx#9172277[^] Are they really planning on build an IDE with WPF? Am I missing something? Is this just old news that I've missed out on? //edit On further googling, it looks like this is a definite. Seems initially like not such a good idea, but I'll be curious to see how well it works.
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There was an outcry b/c there was no WPF code in Vista, and people were speculating that meant MS was not serious about WPF. So, I'd say it's political more than anything. I can't imagine what you'd need WPF for, in a code editor.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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There was an outcry b/c there was no WPF code in Vista, and people were speculating that meant MS was not serious about WPF. So, I'd say it's political more than anything. I can't imagine what you'd need WPF for, in a code editor.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
That was my thought too. However the WPF text classes are more sophisticated than what's in WinForms so maybe that was what attracted them. There is the concern over how this renders the text, I know I have seen some things where the text rendering was actually kind of annoying, but maybe that's something that will be fixed as a result of this.
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There was an outcry b/c there was no WPF code in Vista, and people were speculating that meant MS was not serious about WPF. So, I'd say it's political more than anything. I can't imagine what you'd need WPF for, in a code editor.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
I suspect that virtualisation may play part of this. Also, WPF text documents tend to be a richer more flexible option.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
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but but but... it will be shineeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee......... :rolleyes: [edit] but do you think this will let them add current line highlight? [/edit]
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Can anyone confirm or deny this atrocity? http://blogs.msdn.com/ricom/archive/2008/12/02/visual-studio-today-tomorrow-and-beyond.aspx#9172277[^] Are they really planning on build an IDE with WPF? Am I missing something? Is this just old news that I've missed out on? //edit On further googling, it looks like this is a definite. Seems initially like not such a good idea, but I'll be curious to see how well it works.
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l a u r e n wrote:
but do you think this will let them add current line highlight?
Isn't that what that funny blinking vertical bar thingie is for?
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ummmmmmmmmmmm no ... i mean the whole line background color ... you know ... like every other text editor on the planet has :|
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There was an outcry b/c there was no WPF code in Vista, and people were speculating that meant MS was not serious about WPF. So, I'd say it's political more than anything. I can't imagine what you'd need WPF for, in a code editor.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
For a start you can embed a audio/video comment in your code:) That was one of the samples I saw.
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Just for the editor? If so, what's the point?, Rather, what's the big deal, other than pretty text, assuming you don't mind WPF text rendering.
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From an interview I saw with Rico Mariani (VS Chief Architect) it's as much about making the ornaments around the text easy to add as displaying the text. Let's be honest - GDI's not really state of the art any more :-) Personally, I've got no problem with them using WPF, so long as it doesn't hurt performance.
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From an interview I saw with Rico Mariani (VS Chief Architect) it's as much about making the ornaments around the text easy to add as displaying the text. Let's be honest - GDI's not really state of the art any more :-) Personally, I've got no problem with them using WPF, so long as it doesn't hurt performance.
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Stuart Dootson wrote:
GDI's not really state of the art any more
Too true. This has been the case for about 15 years. I think the thing that is annoying to some, or at least myself, is that a new Text system could have been developed a *long* time ago, and without 20+ Mb DLL dependencies. Just a matter of priorities I suppose.
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Yes, they're using WPF for the editor. Judging by the CTP, it's not adversely affecting performance - if anything, it's quicker than VS2008, even running in VPC vs VS2008 running native.
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Stuart Dootson wrote:
if anything, it's quicker than VS2008
Even a snail on downers would be faster than VS2008.
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For a start you can embed a audio/video comment in your code:) That was one of the samples I saw.
I already see enough idiotic comments without adding that feature. Its a developer tool dammit, not YouTube reborn.
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Stuart Dootson wrote:
if anything, it's quicker than VS2008
Even a snail on downers would be faster than VS2008.
You're not wrong. I'd probably be more accurate comparing its performance with VS2003, which was the last version of VS I found totally acceptable performance-wise.
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Stuart Dootson wrote:
GDI's not really state of the art any more
Too true. This has been the case for about 15 years. I think the thing that is annoying to some, or at least myself, is that a new Text system could have been developed a *long* time ago, and without 20+ Mb DLL dependencies. Just a matter of priorities I suppose.
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For a start you can embed a audio/video comment in your code:) That was one of the samples I saw.
Meh. With text comments I can look at something and go "I was an idiot six months ago" in 2 seconds, vs two minutes. NTM 6mo ago I wouldn't've annoyed my coworkers by babbling into a mike..
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ummmmmmmmmmmm no ... i mean the whole line background color ... you know ... like every other text editor on the planet has :|
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Can anyone confirm or deny this atrocity? http://blogs.msdn.com/ricom/archive/2008/12/02/visual-studio-today-tomorrow-and-beyond.aspx#9172277[^] Are they really planning on build an IDE with WPF? Am I missing something? Is this just old news that I've missed out on? //edit On further googling, it looks like this is a definite. Seems initially like not such a good idea, but I'll be curious to see how well it works.
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To me that sounds like sheer insanity. Of all the WPF apps I've seen, they all share two attributes, they are as flashy as a pimp on sunset boulevard and they are slow. For MS to decide to do this, unless they've really revamped the underlying engine, is really them saying "take it like a good female doggy" because they're just feeding us crap and it seems like we're taking it.
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Can anyone confirm or deny this atrocity? http://blogs.msdn.com/ricom/archive/2008/12/02/visual-studio-today-tomorrow-and-beyond.aspx#9172277[^] Are they really planning on build an IDE with WPF? Am I missing something? Is this just old news that I've missed out on? //edit On further googling, it looks like this is a definite. Seems initially like not such a good idea, but I'll be curious to see how well it works.
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The folks that know Rico know he's a hardcore performance freak. So a lot of people were surprised to learn the new code editor will be WPF. He responded to questions about this and said in this post[^]: the code editor for VS will be faster, especially on large code files. Also, the IDE will use less memory.
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Can anyone confirm or deny this atrocity? http://blogs.msdn.com/ricom/archive/2008/12/02/visual-studio-today-tomorrow-and-beyond.aspx#9172277[^] Are they really planning on build an IDE with WPF? Am I missing something? Is this just old news that I've missed out on? //edit On further googling, it looks like this is a definite. Seems initially like not such a good idea, but I'll be curious to see how well it works.
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It should run faster than VS 2008 on systems with very recent video cards. Windows Forms doesn't use the video driver even as well as WPF, let alone regular windows. On the flip side, on just slightly older systems, WPF runs like a pig.
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To me that sounds like sheer insanity. Of all the WPF apps I've seen, they all share two attributes, they are as flashy as a pimp on sunset boulevard and they are slow. For MS to decide to do this, unless they've really revamped the underlying engine, is really them saying "take it like a good female doggy" because they're just feeding us crap and it seems like we're taking it.
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I've seen some like that. Others, like Blu, feel really fast and snappy. Have you read Rico's answers about why WPF, and how perf will be affected? He's stated in this blog[^] that the WPF-based editor will be faster, especially on large files, than the GDI-based one.
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