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    I suppose it is the time we've to do something against Mr.Univoter. Good articles are the golden mine of CP and we have to protect them. Last time we discussed this topic, Chris (if I remember well) argued that statistics protects good articles against the univoter plague. Unfortunately it hasn't worked well, at least in this case [^], the article is (IMHO) badly underrated. I know it is a difficult problem to deal with, but CP reputation is at stake (see for instance [^] where the MVP suggests the 2.29 rated article). :)

    If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
    This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
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    In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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    • CPalliniC CPallini

      I suppose it is the time we've to do something against Mr.Univoter. Good articles are the golden mine of CP and we have to protect them. Last time we discussed this topic, Chris (if I remember well) argued that statistics protects good articles against the univoter plague. Unfortunately it hasn't worked well, at least in this case [^], the article is (IMHO) badly underrated. I know it is a difficult problem to deal with, but CP reputation is at stake (see for instance [^] where the MVP suggests the 2.29 rated article). :)

      If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
      This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
      [My articles]

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      Barbra Streisand, Martin Sheen, Charleston Heston, Robert Lowe; You hear heard guys spout their political, social philosophies. People know what their positions are. Does that affect which movie you select to watch? Does it affect what product you buy that they endorse? How many here use their real names when spouting off in the soapbox with out concern to what a potential employer or client will glean in a Google search. People are not perfect; some have trouble isolating ideas into separate bins. I don’t like it but that’s just the way it is. 2 cents.

      MrPlankton
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        Barbra Streisand, Martin Sheen, Charleston Heston, Robert Lowe; You hear heard guys spout their political, social philosophies. People know what their positions are. Does that affect which movie you select to watch? Does it affect what product you buy that they endorse? How many here use their real names when spouting off in the soapbox with out concern to what a potential employer or client will glean in a Google search. People are not perfect; some have trouble isolating ideas into separate bins. I don’t like it but that’s just the way it is. 2 cents.

        MrPlankton
        The Second Amendment, the Reset Button on the Constitution

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        I might agree with you but what is the nexus? :)

        If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
        This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
        [My articles]

        In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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          Barbra Streisand, Martin Sheen, Charleston Heston, Robert Lowe; You hear heard guys spout their political, social philosophies. People know what their positions are. Does that affect which movie you select to watch? Does it affect what product you buy that they endorse? How many here use their real names when spouting off in the soapbox with out concern to what a potential employer or client will glean in a Google search. People are not perfect; some have trouble isolating ideas into separate bins. I don’t like it but that’s just the way it is. 2 cents.

          MrPlankton
          The Second Amendment, the Reset Button on the Constitution

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          MrPlankton wrote:

          Does that affect which movie you select to watch?

          In some cases, yes.

          MrPlankton wrote:

          How many here use their real names when spouting off in the soapbox

          I do. I think that if you have something to say, then you should have the courage to put your name to it. If a person doesn't feel comfortable doing that, then he should keep silent.

          Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read

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          • CPalliniC CPallini

            I suppose it is the time we've to do something against Mr.Univoter. Good articles are the golden mine of CP and we have to protect them. Last time we discussed this topic, Chris (if I remember well) argued that statistics protects good articles against the univoter plague. Unfortunately it hasn't worked well, at least in this case [^], the article is (IMHO) badly underrated. I know it is a difficult problem to deal with, but CP reputation is at stake (see for instance [^] where the MVP suggests the 2.29 rated article). :)

            If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
            This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
            [My articles]

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            To give you an idea of how old those votes are, there are no "My Vote of 1" messages. The Univoter (and 41 other people, out of 59 voters) voted that article a 1. Maybe they didn't see the "Beginner" tag. IMHO, the technique described in the article - while admittedly being another way to do it - is a poor one because data in a given dialog should be private to that dialog, and should be *retrieved* by the parent, versus being set by the child.

            "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
            -----
            "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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            • G Gary Kirkham

              MrPlankton wrote:

              Does that affect which movie you select to watch?

              In some cases, yes.

              MrPlankton wrote:

              How many here use their real names when spouting off in the soapbox

              I do. I think that if you have something to say, then you should have the courage to put your name to it. If a person doesn't feel comfortable doing that, then he should keep silent.

              Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read

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              Gary Kirkham wrote:

              I think that if you have something to say, then you should have the courage to put your name to it. If a person doesn't feel comfortable doing that, then he should keep silent.

              Word.

              "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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              "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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              • CPalliniC CPallini

                I suppose it is the time we've to do something against Mr.Univoter. Good articles are the golden mine of CP and we have to protect them. Last time we discussed this topic, Chris (if I remember well) argued that statistics protects good articles against the univoter plague. Unfortunately it hasn't worked well, at least in this case [^], the article is (IMHO) badly underrated. I know it is a difficult problem to deal with, but CP reputation is at stake (see for instance [^] where the MVP suggests the 2.29 rated article). :)

                If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                [My articles]

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                I started a thread in the Suggestions forum after reading your post : Un-ratable articles - a potential option?[^]

                Regards, Nish


                Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
                My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link

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                  To give you an idea of how old those votes are, there are no "My Vote of 1" messages. The Univoter (and 41 other people, out of 59 voters) voted that article a 1. Maybe they didn't see the "Beginner" tag. IMHO, the technique described in the article - while admittedly being another way to do it - is a poor one because data in a given dialog should be private to that dialog, and should be *retrieved* by the parent, versus being set by the child.

                  "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                  -----
                  "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                  John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                  IMHO, the technique described in the article - while admittedly being another way to do it - is a poor one because data in a given dialog should be private to that dialog, and should be *retrieved* by the parent, versus being set by the child.

                  John, that's how the article does it. The parent pops up the child, retrieves some data via Get-calls, and then sets its own data. The child has no access to the parent's data at all.

                  Regards, Nish


                  Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
                  My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link

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                  • realJSOPR realJSOP

                    To give you an idea of how old those votes are, there are no "My Vote of 1" messages. The Univoter (and 41 other people, out of 59 voters) voted that article a 1. Maybe they didn't see the "Beginner" tag. IMHO, the technique described in the article - while admittedly being another way to do it - is a poor one because data in a given dialog should be private to that dialog, and should be *retrieved* by the parent, versus being set by the child.

                    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                    -----
                    "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                    John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                    Maybe they didn't see the "Beginner" tag.

                    Quite careless people... :rolleyes: (people shouldn't be careless when voting, I think).

                    John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                    IMHO, the technique described in the article - while admittedly being another way to do it - is a poor one because data in a given dialog should be private to that dialog, and should be *retrieved* by the parent, versus being set by the child.

                    I don't get you here, I see the parent dialog actually retrieving data from the child one (in any case, INHO, the article is far better than many others having the same, or better, score). :)

                    If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                    This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                    [My articles]

                    modified on Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:20 AM

                    In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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                      I started a thread in the Suggestions forum after reading your post : Un-ratable articles - a potential option?[^]

                      Regards, Nish


                      Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
                      My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link

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                      Thank you so much for doing it (even if I don't believe it would be a good solution, but it is just my personal point of view, actually I don't see nay good solution at the moment...). I was tempted to post my rant in that forum (but not sure it was the right place, though). :)

                      If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                      This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                      [My articles]

                      In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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                      • CPalliniC CPallini

                        John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                        Maybe they didn't see the "Beginner" tag.

                        Quite careless people... :rolleyes: (people shouldn't be careless when voting, I think).

                        John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                        IMHO, the technique described in the article - while admittedly being another way to do it - is a poor one because data in a given dialog should be private to that dialog, and should be *retrieved* by the parent, versus being set by the child.

                        I don't get you here, I see the parent dialog actually retrieving data from the child one (in any case, INHO, the article is far better than many others having the same, or better, score). :)

                        If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                        This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                        [My articles]

                        modified on Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:20 AM

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                        CPallini wrote:

                        I don't get you here, I see the parent dialog actually retrieving data from the child one

                        Yeah, John seems to have misinterpreted the core technique in the article. Which might be an indicator that the artcle is not well-explained. While that doesn't justify the several dozen 1 votes it got, it is possibly one reason for the overall low rating.

                        Regards, Nish


                        Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
                        My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link

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                          CPallini wrote:

                          I don't get you here, I see the parent dialog actually retrieving data from the child one

                          Yeah, John seems to have misinterpreted the core technique in the article. Which might be an indicator that the artcle is not well-explained. While that doesn't justify the several dozen 1 votes it got, it is possibly one reason for the overall low rating.

                          Regards, Nish


                          Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
                          My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link

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                          Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                          John seems to have misinterpreted the core technique in the article. Which might be an indicator that the artcle is not well-explained.

                          False, since John is not part of the article's intended audience :-D.

                          If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                          This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                          [My articles]

                          In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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                          • CPalliniC CPallini

                            Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                            John seems to have misinterpreted the core technique in the article. Which might be an indicator that the artcle is not well-explained.

                            False, since John is not part of the article's intended audience :-D.

                            If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                            This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                            [My articles]

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                            Nish Nishant
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                            CPallini wrote:

                            False, since John is not part of the article's intended audience

                            Yeah but John doesn't know that.

                            Regards, Nish


                            Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
                            My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link

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                              MrPlankton wrote:

                              Does that affect which movie you select to watch?

                              In some cases, yes.

                              MrPlankton wrote:

                              How many here use their real names when spouting off in the soapbox

                              I do. I think that if you have something to say, then you should have the courage to put your name to it. If a person doesn't feel comfortable doing that, then he should keep silent.

                              Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read

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                              MrPlankton
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                              Gary Kirkham wrote:

                              courage to put your name to it.

                              Then let's not hear the recurrent bitching about 1's in articles. If you tell people about your bowl movements, have jotd in the soap box that have racial characteristics don't be surprised if some take that baggage with them to the article review page.

                              MrPlankton
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                                CPallini wrote:

                                I don't get you here, I see the parent dialog actually retrieving data from the child one

                                Yeah, John seems to have misinterpreted the core technique in the article. Which might be an indicator that the artcle is not well-explained. While that doesn't justify the several dozen 1 votes it got, it is possibly one reason for the overall low rating.

                                Regards, Nish


                                Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
                                My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link

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                                Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                                John seems to have misinterpreted the core technique in the article

                                But he put his name to it, that's all that counts.

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                                • CPalliniC CPallini

                                  I suppose it is the time we've to do something against Mr.Univoter. Good articles are the golden mine of CP and we have to protect them. Last time we discussed this topic, Chris (if I remember well) argued that statistics protects good articles against the univoter plague. Unfortunately it hasn't worked well, at least in this case [^], the article is (IMHO) badly underrated. I know it is a difficult problem to deal with, but CP reputation is at stake (see for instance [^] where the MVP suggests the 2.29 rated article). :)

                                  If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                                  This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                                  [My articles]

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                                  The parent-child article is written in a light tone with a humorous twist. Perhaps some people don't like or understand that technique. Overall, it feels like the article is written by a self-anointed code god talking down to the lowly peasants.

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                                    The parent-child article is written in a light tone with a humorous twist. Perhaps some people don't like or understand that technique. Overall, it feels like the article is written by a self-anointed code god talking down to the lowly peasants.

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                                    Ed Gadziemski wrote:

                                    The parent-child article is written in a light tone with a humorous twist. Perhaps some people don't like or understand that technique. Overall, it feels like the article is written by a self-anointed code god talking down to the lowly peasants.

                                    Does it justify all the ones? :)

                                    If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                                    This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                                    [My articles]

                                    In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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                                      Ed Gadziemski wrote:

                                      The parent-child article is written in a light tone with a humorous twist. Perhaps some people don't like or understand that technique. Overall, it feels like the article is written by a self-anointed code god talking down to the lowly peasants.

                                      Does it justify all the ones? :)

                                      If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                                      This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                                      [My articles]

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                                      Ed Gadziemski
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                                      CPallini wrote:

                                      Does it justify all the ones?

                                      Not for me, I would probably give the article a 2 or 3, but I can understand how some people might be offended.

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                                        CPallini wrote:

                                        Does it justify all the ones?

                                        Not for me, I would probably give the article a 2 or 3, but I can understand how some people might be offended.

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                                        Ed Gadziemski wrote:

                                        Not for me, I would probably give the article a 2 or 3

                                        You're too generous, man... :rolleyes: Well, while I find myself toxcct having a self-confidence that might be seen as arrogance, this feeling doesn't prevent me from appreciating his technical contributions, and I keep believing the article is good for the intended audience.

                                        If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                                        This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                                        [My articles]

                                        In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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                                          John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                          IMHO, the technique described in the article - while admittedly being another way to do it - is a poor one because data in a given dialog should be private to that dialog, and should be *retrieved* by the parent, versus being set by the child.

                                          John, that's how the article does it. The parent pops up the child, retrieves some data via Get-calls, and then sets its own data. The child has no access to the parent's data at all.

                                          Regards, Nish


                                          Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
                                          My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link

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                                          I coulda sworn he was instantiating the child with references in the constructor. I'm not interested enough to go back and look again, so I'll take your word for it.

                                          "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                                          "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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