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    Mike Gaskey
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    Well it seems that the hefty federal gas taxes in the good ole US of A aren't enough.[^] So, you allowed social engineering (high tax per gallon) to push you into a smaller or greener vehicle and thought you were doing yourself a favor: more pricey vehicle, but gosh you get better mileage and we all ultimately save. Right? Well thank you very much, now we'll have to tax you on the basis of miles driven. and just think of the vehicle tracking possibilities! big brother would probably have ever so many opportunities to save you from yourself. pitchforks, the investment opportunity of 2009 and beyond.

    Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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      Well it seems that the hefty federal gas taxes in the good ole US of A aren't enough.[^] So, you allowed social engineering (high tax per gallon) to push you into a smaller or greener vehicle and thought you were doing yourself a favor: more pricey vehicle, but gosh you get better mileage and we all ultimately save. Right? Well thank you very much, now we'll have to tax you on the basis of miles driven. and just think of the vehicle tracking possibilities! big brother would probably have ever so many opportunities to save you from yourself. pitchforks, the investment opportunity of 2009 and beyond.

      Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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      Chris Austin
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      Ignoring the tracking possibilities; I'd prefer usage tax versus income tax to fund road and highways. In the end, I don't know if it would be any better than the tax per gallon which is in essence a de-facto usage tax.

      Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?

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        Ignoring the tracking possibilities; I'd prefer usage tax versus income tax to fund road and highways. In the end, I don't know if it would be any better than the tax per gallon which is in essence a de-facto usage tax.

        Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?

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        led mike
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        Chris Austin wrote:

        In the end, I don't know if it would be any better than the tax per gallon which is in essence a de-facto usage tax.

        umm, what about this?

        Mike Gaskey wrote:

        but gosh you get better mileage and we all ultimately save. Right? Well thank you very much, now we'll have to tax you on the basis of miles driven.

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          Chris Austin wrote:

          In the end, I don't know if it would be any better than the tax per gallon which is in essence a de-facto usage tax.

          umm, what about this?

          Mike Gaskey wrote:

          but gosh you get better mileage and we all ultimately save. Right? Well thank you very much, now we'll have to tax you on the basis of miles driven.

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          Chris Austin
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          led mike wrote:

          umm, what about this? Mike Gaskey wrote: but gosh you get better mileage and we all ultimately save. Right? Well thank you very much, now we'll have to tax you on the basis of miles driven. Quote Selected Text

          What about it? Mike has his own opinion and I have mine. I am not trying to be a soothsayer here but rather share my current opinion based on the little I've read. [Edit] And the miles driven bit doesn't bother me one bit. I average less than 300 miles driven a month.

          Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?

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            Well it seems that the hefty federal gas taxes in the good ole US of A aren't enough.[^] So, you allowed social engineering (high tax per gallon) to push you into a smaller or greener vehicle and thought you were doing yourself a favor: more pricey vehicle, but gosh you get better mileage and we all ultimately save. Right? Well thank you very much, now we'll have to tax you on the basis of miles driven. and just think of the vehicle tracking possibilities! big brother would probably have ever so many opportunities to save you from yourself. pitchforks, the investment opportunity of 2009 and beyond.

            Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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            Dan Neely
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            The only point in the idea that I can sort of agree with is that if electric, etc vehicles become common the current fuel tax to fund highway projects will need to be replaced with something else.

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              led mike wrote:

              umm, what about this? Mike Gaskey wrote: but gosh you get better mileage and we all ultimately save. Right? Well thank you very much, now we'll have to tax you on the basis of miles driven. Quote Selected Text

              What about it? Mike has his own opinion and I have mine. I am not trying to be a soothsayer here but rather share my current opinion based on the little I've read. [Edit] And the miles driven bit doesn't bother me one bit. I average less than 300 miles driven a month.

              Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?

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              bulg
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              I think Chris has a point, and besides, how ELSE are we going to pay to keep our roads around? I was in florida for a while (I live in CA) and their Toll system is absolutely infuriating, but you can't get anywhere without it! (at a reasonable speed, anyway)

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                led mike wrote:

                umm, what about this? Mike Gaskey wrote: but gosh you get better mileage and we all ultimately save. Right? Well thank you very much, now we'll have to tax you on the basis of miles driven. Quote Selected Text

                What about it? Mike has his own opinion and I have mine. I am not trying to be a soothsayer here but rather share my current opinion based on the little I've read. [Edit] And the miles driven bit doesn't bother me one bit. I average less than 300 miles driven a month.

                Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?

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                led mike
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                Chris Austin wrote:

                Mike has his own opinion and I have mine.

                If they change from a gas tax to a mileage tax, that changes the usage tax distribution between vehicles which vary in consumption. Isn't that a fact and not an opinion? :confused:

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                  I think Chris has a point, and besides, how ELSE are we going to pay to keep our roads around? I was in florida for a while (I live in CA) and their Toll system is absolutely infuriating, but you can't get anywhere without it! (at a reasonable speed, anyway)

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                  Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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                  Go to New England if you want to be infuriated by tolls. And yes, I hate the Florida turnpike but you do get to drive 90 on it, kinda.

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                    Well it seems that the hefty federal gas taxes in the good ole US of A aren't enough.[^] So, you allowed social engineering (high tax per gallon) to push you into a smaller or greener vehicle and thought you were doing yourself a favor: more pricey vehicle, but gosh you get better mileage and we all ultimately save. Right? Well thank you very much, now we'll have to tax you on the basis of miles driven. and just think of the vehicle tracking possibilities! big brother would probably have ever so many opportunities to save you from yourself. pitchforks, the investment opportunity of 2009 and beyond.

                    Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                    BoneSoft
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                    Well, if they must, then why not erect a billion toll booths? Lots of new jobs, much cheaper to do, no socialist big brother. But then, that just might defeat the real purpose. ;)


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                      led mike wrote:

                      umm, what about this? Mike Gaskey wrote: but gosh you get better mileage and we all ultimately save. Right? Well thank you very much, now we'll have to tax you on the basis of miles driven. Quote Selected Text

                      What about it? Mike has his own opinion and I have mine. I am not trying to be a soothsayer here but rather share my current opinion based on the little I've read. [Edit] And the miles driven bit doesn't bother me one bit. I average less than 300 miles driven a month.

                      Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?

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                      Mike Gaskey
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                      Chris Austin wrote:

                      Mike has his own opinion and I have mine

                      ain't it grand? but on this same issue, I seriously doubt that fuel taxes are aggregated then targeted to road maintenance and development. the net effect of a mileage tax would be to simply put more money into the hands of fools who'll use it to get re-elected by building a statue or builidng dedicated to someone or other.

                      Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                        Chris Austin wrote:

                        Mike has his own opinion and I have mine

                        ain't it grand? but on this same issue, I seriously doubt that fuel taxes are aggregated then targeted to road maintenance and development. the net effect of a mileage tax would be to simply put more money into the hands of fools who'll use it to get re-elected by building a statue or builidng dedicated to someone or other.

                        Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                        bulg
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                        until we the people get smarter and vote for the right person for the right reasons...

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                          Chris Austin wrote:

                          Mike has his own opinion and I have mine

                          ain't it grand? but on this same issue, I seriously doubt that fuel taxes are aggregated then targeted to road maintenance and development. the net effect of a mileage tax would be to simply put more money into the hands of fools who'll use it to get re-elected by building a statue or builidng dedicated to someone or other.

                          Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                          led mike
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                          Mike Gaskey wrote:

                          by building a statue or builidng dedicated to someone or other.

                          Yeah, but what if it was dedicated to you? ;P

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                            Mike Gaskey wrote:

                            by building a statue or builidng dedicated to someone or other.

                            Yeah, but what if it was dedicated to you? ;P

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                            Mike Gaskey
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                            led mike wrote:

                            what if it was dedicated to you?

                            then the restuarant better serve some of this[^] and this[^] and this[^].

                            Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                              Well, if they must, then why not erect a billion toll booths? Lots of new jobs, much cheaper to do, no socialist big brother. But then, that just might defeat the real purpose. ;)


                              Visit BoneSoft.com for code generation tools (XML & XSD -> C#, VB, etc...) and some free developer tools as well.

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                              Mike Gaskey
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                              BoneSoft wrote:

                              why not erect a billion toll booths?

                              far too logical.

                              Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                                Chris Austin wrote:

                                Mike has his own opinion and I have mine

                                ain't it grand? but on this same issue, I seriously doubt that fuel taxes are aggregated then targeted to road maintenance and development. the net effect of a mileage tax would be to simply put more money into the hands of fools who'll use it to get re-elected by building a statue or builidng dedicated to someone or other.

                                Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                                Rob Graham
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                                Mike Gaskey wrote:

                                I seriously doubt that fuel taxes are aggregated then targeted to road maintenance

                                Actually, the Federal taxes are largely dedicated[^] (a small percentage goes to mass transit). State gasoline taxes[^] on the other hand, are often still abused for general fund use, and can be the bigger portion.

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                                  Chris Austin wrote:

                                  Mike has his own opinion and I have mine.

                                  If they change from a gas tax to a mileage tax, that changes the usage tax distribution between vehicles which vary in consumption. Isn't that a fact and not an opinion? :confused:

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                                  Chris Austin
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                                  Dude. I was giving an opinion on a set of proposals that are in an early state. We can't come up with something that will make everyone happy. But, if I was asked I'd take the one that favors my situation the most.

                                  Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?

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                                    led mike wrote:

                                    what if it was dedicated to you?

                                    then the restuarant better serve some of this[^] and this[^] and this[^].

                                    Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                                    led mike
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                                    mmmmmmm I was in New York City for my first time this past year. I was actually there the week the first financial collapse events took place. Anyway I had the best sausage I've ever tasted in a plate of Bangers and Mash at a little pub one block off of of Times Square. link[^] if you are ever there.

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                                      Dude. I was giving an opinion on a set of proposals that are in an early state. We can't come up with something that will make everyone happy. But, if I was asked I'd take the one that favors my situation the most.

                                      Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?

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                                      led mike
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                                      Chris Austin wrote:

                                      if I was asked I'd take the one that favors my situation the most.

                                      I hope I would do the same. :-D I'm just about outa here, have a great week end! :beer:

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                                        Ignoring the tracking possibilities; I'd prefer usage tax versus income tax to fund road and highways. In the end, I don't know if it would be any better than the tax per gallon which is in essence a de-facto usage tax.

                                        Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?

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                                        Oakman
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                                        Chris Austin wrote:

                                        I'd prefer usage tax versus income tax to fund road and highways.

                                        Any reason to assume that we won't end up with both?

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                                          I think Chris has a point, and besides, how ELSE are we going to pay to keep our roads around? I was in florida for a while (I live in CA) and their Toll system is absolutely infuriating, but you can't get anywhere without it! (at a reasonable speed, anyway)

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                                          Synaptrik
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                                          The tolls are for bridge maintenance. Has nothing to do with roadways. California and Florida have a lot of bridges that are expensive to maintain.

                                          This statement is false

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