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Well it seems that the hefty federal gas taxes in the good ole US of A aren't enough.[^] So, you allowed social engineering (high tax per gallon) to push you into a smaller or greener vehicle and thought you were doing yourself a favor: more pricey vehicle, but gosh you get better mileage and we all ultimately save. Right? Well thank you very much, now we'll have to tax you on the basis of miles driven. and just think of the vehicle tracking possibilities! big brother would probably have ever so many opportunities to save you from yourself. pitchforks, the investment opportunity of 2009 and beyond.
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Ignoring the tracking possibilities; I'd prefer usage tax versus income tax to fund road and highways. In the end, I don't know if it would be any better than the tax per gallon which is in essence a de-facto usage tax.
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Ignoring the tracking possibilities; I'd prefer usage tax versus income tax to fund road and highways. In the end, I don't know if it would be any better than the tax per gallon which is in essence a de-facto usage tax.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?
Chris Austin wrote:
In the end, I don't know if it would be any better than the tax per gallon which is in essence a de-facto usage tax.
umm, what about this?
Mike Gaskey wrote:
but gosh you get better mileage and we all ultimately save. Right? Well thank you very much, now we'll have to tax you on the basis of miles driven.
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Chris Austin wrote:
In the end, I don't know if it would be any better than the tax per gallon which is in essence a de-facto usage tax.
umm, what about this?
Mike Gaskey wrote:
but gosh you get better mileage and we all ultimately save. Right? Well thank you very much, now we'll have to tax you on the basis of miles driven.
led mike wrote:
umm, what about this? Mike Gaskey wrote: but gosh you get better mileage and we all ultimately save. Right? Well thank you very much, now we'll have to tax you on the basis of miles driven. Quote Selected Text
What about it? Mike has his own opinion and I have mine. I am not trying to be a soothsayer here but rather share my current opinion based on the little I've read. [Edit] And the miles driven bit doesn't bother me one bit. I average less than 300 miles driven a month.
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Well it seems that the hefty federal gas taxes in the good ole US of A aren't enough.[^] So, you allowed social engineering (high tax per gallon) to push you into a smaller or greener vehicle and thought you were doing yourself a favor: more pricey vehicle, but gosh you get better mileage and we all ultimately save. Right? Well thank you very much, now we'll have to tax you on the basis of miles driven. and just think of the vehicle tracking possibilities! big brother would probably have ever so many opportunities to save you from yourself. pitchforks, the investment opportunity of 2009 and beyond.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
The only point in the idea that I can sort of agree with is that if electric, etc vehicles become common the current fuel tax to fund highway projects will need to be replaced with something else.
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led mike wrote:
umm, what about this? Mike Gaskey wrote: but gosh you get better mileage and we all ultimately save. Right? Well thank you very much, now we'll have to tax you on the basis of miles driven. Quote Selected Text
What about it? Mike has his own opinion and I have mine. I am not trying to be a soothsayer here but rather share my current opinion based on the little I've read. [Edit] And the miles driven bit doesn't bother me one bit. I average less than 300 miles driven a month.
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I think Chris has a point, and besides, how ELSE are we going to pay to keep our roads around? I was in florida for a while (I live in CA) and their Toll system is absolutely infuriating, but you can't get anywhere without it! (at a reasonable speed, anyway)
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led mike wrote:
umm, what about this? Mike Gaskey wrote: but gosh you get better mileage and we all ultimately save. Right? Well thank you very much, now we'll have to tax you on the basis of miles driven. Quote Selected Text
What about it? Mike has his own opinion and I have mine. I am not trying to be a soothsayer here but rather share my current opinion based on the little I've read. [Edit] And the miles driven bit doesn't bother me one bit. I average less than 300 miles driven a month.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?
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I think Chris has a point, and besides, how ELSE are we going to pay to keep our roads around? I was in florida for a while (I live in CA) and their Toll system is absolutely infuriating, but you can't get anywhere without it! (at a reasonable speed, anyway)
Go to New England if you want to be infuriated by tolls. And yes, I hate the Florida turnpike but you do get to drive 90 on it, kinda.
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Well it seems that the hefty federal gas taxes in the good ole US of A aren't enough.[^] So, you allowed social engineering (high tax per gallon) to push you into a smaller or greener vehicle and thought you were doing yourself a favor: more pricey vehicle, but gosh you get better mileage and we all ultimately save. Right? Well thank you very much, now we'll have to tax you on the basis of miles driven. and just think of the vehicle tracking possibilities! big brother would probably have ever so many opportunities to save you from yourself. pitchforks, the investment opportunity of 2009 and beyond.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Well, if they must, then why not erect a billion toll booths? Lots of new jobs, much cheaper to do, no socialist big brother. But then, that just might defeat the real purpose. ;)
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led mike wrote:
umm, what about this? Mike Gaskey wrote: but gosh you get better mileage and we all ultimately save. Right? Well thank you very much, now we'll have to tax you on the basis of miles driven. Quote Selected Text
What about it? Mike has his own opinion and I have mine. I am not trying to be a soothsayer here but rather share my current opinion based on the little I've read. [Edit] And the miles driven bit doesn't bother me one bit. I average less than 300 miles driven a month.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?
Chris Austin wrote:
Mike has his own opinion and I have mine
ain't it grand? but on this same issue, I seriously doubt that fuel taxes are aggregated then targeted to road maintenance and development. the net effect of a mileage tax would be to simply put more money into the hands of fools who'll use it to get re-elected by building a statue or builidng dedicated to someone or other.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Chris Austin wrote:
Mike has his own opinion and I have mine
ain't it grand? but on this same issue, I seriously doubt that fuel taxes are aggregated then targeted to road maintenance and development. the net effect of a mileage tax would be to simply put more money into the hands of fools who'll use it to get re-elected by building a statue or builidng dedicated to someone or other.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Chris Austin wrote:
Mike has his own opinion and I have mine
ain't it grand? but on this same issue, I seriously doubt that fuel taxes are aggregated then targeted to road maintenance and development. the net effect of a mileage tax would be to simply put more money into the hands of fools who'll use it to get re-elected by building a statue or builidng dedicated to someone or other.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
by building a statue or builidng dedicated to someone or other.
Yeah, but what if it was dedicated to you? ;P
led mike wrote:
what if it was dedicated to you?
then the restuarant better serve some of this[^] and this[^] and this[^].
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Well, if they must, then why not erect a billion toll booths? Lots of new jobs, much cheaper to do, no socialist big brother. But then, that just might defeat the real purpose. ;)
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BoneSoft wrote:
why not erect a billion toll booths?
far too logical.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Chris Austin wrote:
Mike has his own opinion and I have mine
ain't it grand? but on this same issue, I seriously doubt that fuel taxes are aggregated then targeted to road maintenance and development. the net effect of a mileage tax would be to simply put more money into the hands of fools who'll use it to get re-elected by building a statue or builidng dedicated to someone or other.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
I seriously doubt that fuel taxes are aggregated then targeted to road maintenance
Actually, the Federal taxes are largely dedicated[^] (a small percentage goes to mass transit). State gasoline taxes[^] on the other hand, are often still abused for general fund use, and can be the bigger portion.
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Chris Austin wrote:
Mike has his own opinion and I have mine.
If they change from a gas tax to a mileage tax, that changes the usage tax distribution between vehicles which vary in consumption. Isn't that a fact and not an opinion? :confused:
Dude. I was giving an opinion on a set of proposals that are in an early state. We can't come up with something that will make everyone happy. But, if I was asked I'd take the one that favors my situation the most.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?
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led mike wrote:
what if it was dedicated to you?
then the restuarant better serve some of this[^] and this[^] and this[^].
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
mmmmmmm I was in New York City for my first time this past year. I was actually there the week the first financial collapse events took place. Anyway I had the best sausage I've ever tasted in a plate of Bangers and Mash at a little pub one block off of of Times Square. link[^] if you are ever there.
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Dude. I was giving an opinion on a set of proposals that are in an early state. We can't come up with something that will make everyone happy. But, if I was asked I'd take the one that favors my situation the most.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?
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Ignoring the tracking possibilities; I'd prefer usage tax versus income tax to fund road and highways. In the end, I don't know if it would be any better than the tax per gallon which is in essence a de-facto usage tax.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?
Chris Austin wrote:
I'd prefer usage tax versus income tax to fund road and highways.
Any reason to assume that we won't end up with both?
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I think Chris has a point, and besides, how ELSE are we going to pay to keep our roads around? I was in florida for a while (I live in CA) and their Toll system is absolutely infuriating, but you can't get anywhere without it! (at a reasonable speed, anyway)
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Well, if they must, then why not erect a billion toll booths? Lots of new jobs, much cheaper to do, no socialist big brother. But then, that just might defeat the real purpose. ;)
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BoneSoft wrote:
billion toll booths
Funny, you should mention that. The highway that surrounds a local city here has these things that look like light poles with a solar panel near the top, about half way down the pole is a small box about the size of a usb hard drive pointed at an angle towards the road. Poles are about a quarter mile apart. I asked our state senator, "what's up with these polls", he said that they are for a future fare collection system for this city's beltway.
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