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With the book sales isn't he supporting captialism? :rolleyes:
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Actually, it's even more sinister (or at least hypocritical) than that: Soros made his fortune of $9B as a speculator, and primarily as a short-seller. He prospers the most in a declining market, so maybe he's just trying to improve his prospects by encouraging the markets to drop.
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I have found if I turn off the radio, don't read the paper, keep the TV off except for netflix movies I have a much pleasanter disposition. On the down side when I go to work (I support a federal agency as a contractor) I hear the feds talk about writing this proposal and that proposal to get a hunk of the Spendulous cash. I almost got in trouble at work for saying they should burn it in a ash canister in the lobby of their the government building to keep things warmer and reduce the carbon footprint... fortunately I only got a wry smile, so I don't think I'm in too much trouble. Damn depressing if you are too wired into this stuff.
MrPlankton
The Second Amendment, the Reset Button on the Constitution --- He that lives upon hope will die fasting. Benjamin Franklinre: Glenn Beck the show that was most interesting was yesterday. It discusses a worse case scenario, what it might be like in 2014. that aired on Friday and is to be rebroadcast today at 9:00 pm.[^]
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
free market option
So do I take it that you are approving of personal debt but not government debt?
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
So do I take it that you are approving of personal debt but not government debt?
What I approve of is maximizing the opportunity for those things that can function outside the direct control of government, democratic or otherwise, to do so.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Actually, it is good news. Soros has been predicting the collapse of capitalism since 1987. This is the third book he has written predicting imminent doom. Given his track record, I suspect this is "strike three" for him. Now I actually have some confidence that the recovery is not far off.
As I suggested above, I think it is entirely possible that this entire crisis has been intentionally over stated for the express purpose of making any recovery at all seem all the more miraculous. If, in a year or so from now, there is a recovery in the international economy with legs, Obama will become much more than than the phenomenon he is now. Considering the amount that Soros has invested in the man, it may turn out to be money very well spent.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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I have found if I turn off the radio, don't read the paper, keep the TV off except for netflix movies I have a much pleasanter disposition. On the down side when I go to work (I support a federal agency as a contractor) I hear the feds talk about writing this proposal and that proposal to get a hunk of the Spendulous cash. I almost got in trouble at work for saying they should burn it in a ash canister in the lobby of their the government building to keep things warmer and reduce the carbon footprint... fortunately I only got a wry smile, so I don't think I'm in too much trouble. Damn depressing if you are too wired into this stuff.
MrPlankton
The Second Amendment, the Reset Button on the Constitution --- He that lives upon hope will die fasting. Benjamin FranklinI worked for the EPA for about four years, so I am all too well aware of the processes involved with each department getting its share of the booty. I was always under pressure to buy completely unnecessary supplies and hire unnecessary people so that an even larger budget could be justified for the next fiscal year. It is fucking insidious how the system works.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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"there is yet no prospect of a near-term resolution to the crisis." As far as I know no one has actually looked for an actual solution yet. Certainly the UK government only ever talks about protecting/preserving the dead duck economy. Just chuck more money at it and it'll be fine which of course ignores the fact that the economy largely works on made up money and not real you know actual money because there isnt enough of the real stuff to cover what the banks are dealling with even when things are going well. So as far as i am aware no one is convinced that the latest plan to just print more will make much difference. Which basically brings us to the point the the global economy is fundamentally broken and the economists may be able to paper over the cracks for a while maybe even for a good number of years but sooner or later it's gonna break completely and then and only then are people going to start thinking about doing things differently.
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pseudonym67 wrote:
then and only then are people going to start thinking about doing things differently.
And what would that be? If things really are as bad as they are made out to be, what was the cause? The only solution I can see would be to simply divide up into separate societies. Let those of us who wish to live in a free market, capitalistic, jeffersonian society do so. And let those who don't go their own way. Let the experiment run its course unrestricted. In my Jeffersonian society, we would simply outlaw socialism of any flavor. Government would only be allowed to provide for the general welfare and nothing else, the courts would have no power beyond interpretation of the actual content of the constitution. In yours you could have governmetn be the center of all economic and social decision making. Let people vote with their feet as to which society they wish to live in. And let the one that survives take all.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
The free market option had to be removed
That hasn't been a option in a long time, if it ever was. You're sitting shiva, for a long dead corpse.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
Oakman wrote:
That hasn't been a option in a long time, if it ever was.
It has always been an option. The best option, in fact.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSTRE51K0A920090221?feedType=RSS&feedName=businessNews&rpc=23&sp=true[^] Frankly, I think Soros is one of the key figures behind this entire drama. But, I find myself wondering how much any of this is true. Obama is largely a creation of Soros. How much greater of a hero will he be if he actually works a miracle and saves a doomed economy (which was never really doomed at all, but just waiting for the puppet master to flip a switch or two to bring it back to life)? So, one way or another, we actually are doomed. Either the economy is going to collapse to catastrophic levels, or Obama is going to save it and probably go on to become king of the world or something close to it - and all of humanity melds into a global collective carefully managed by an all benevolent government. We will have one socialistic government, or we will have no government of any kind. Thats the deal.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
The end will be near when the credit rating on U.S. government debt is no longer AAA. Until that time, I remain unconcerned.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSTRE51K0A920090221?feedType=RSS&feedName=businessNews&rpc=23&sp=true[^] Frankly, I think Soros is one of the key figures behind this entire drama. But, I find myself wondering how much any of this is true. Obama is largely a creation of Soros. How much greater of a hero will he be if he actually works a miracle and saves a doomed economy (which was never really doomed at all, but just waiting for the puppet master to flip a switch or two to bring it back to life)? So, one way or another, we actually are doomed. Either the economy is going to collapse to catastrophic levels, or Obama is going to save it and probably go on to become king of the world or something close to it - and all of humanity melds into a global collective carefully managed by an all benevolent government. We will have one socialistic government, or we will have no government of any kind. Thats the deal.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
click[^] edit (added) I think Rush Limbaugh in above article is trying to tie this to Soroce, very speculative, and somewhat conspiratorial, but an interesting read. It does seem that the Pres. and the congress are talking the economy down. /edit
MrPlankton
The Second Amendment, the Reset Button on the Constitution --- He that lives upon hope will die fasting. Benjamin Franklinmodified on Saturday, February 21, 2009 5:16 PM
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http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSTRE51K0A920090221?feedType=RSS&feedName=businessNews&rpc=23&sp=true[^] Frankly, I think Soros is one of the key figures behind this entire drama. But, I find myself wondering how much any of this is true. Obama is largely a creation of Soros. How much greater of a hero will he be if he actually works a miracle and saves a doomed economy (which was never really doomed at all, but just waiting for the puppet master to flip a switch or two to bring it back to life)? So, one way or another, we actually are doomed. Either the economy is going to collapse to catastrophic levels, or Obama is going to save it and probably go on to become king of the world or something close to it - and all of humanity melds into a global collective carefully managed by an all benevolent government. We will have one socialistic government, or we will have no government of any kind. Thats the deal.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
We will have one socialistic government, or we will have no government of any kind. Thats the deal.
Sounds like I need to put my money in tin foil hat companies.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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The end will be near when the credit rating on U.S. government debt is no longer AAA. Until that time, I remain unconcerned.
Hasn't there already been some talk of that being down graded? Shouldn't it be?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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click[^] edit (added) I think Rush Limbaugh in above article is trying to tie this to Soroce, very speculative, and somewhat conspiratorial, but an interesting read. It does seem that the Pres. and the congress are talking the economy down. /edit
MrPlankton
The Second Amendment, the Reset Button on the Constitution --- He that lives upon hope will die fasting. Benjamin Franklinmodified on Saturday, February 21, 2009 5:16 PM
We are most definitely into tin foil hat territory, no doubt. Still, one has to wonder. Consider Obama. He has family and cultural ties of some type to virtually every area of the globe. America, Europe, Africa, Asia, the middle east. What a perfect individual to suddenly rescue the entire world from the brink of utter global economic ruin. He would emerge as probably the most significant figure in all of history - the child of the world, who literally saves the world from economic devastation. The very embodiment of leftist heroism. Throw in an end to terrorism, possibly the capture of bin Ladin, or something equally significant, and he (or who ever is pulling the strings behind the curtain) would be free to turn the future of human civiliztion into whatever they wish it to be.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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We are most definitely into tin foil hat territory, no doubt. Still, one has to wonder. Consider Obama. He has family and cultural ties of some type to virtually every area of the globe. America, Europe, Africa, Asia, the middle east. What a perfect individual to suddenly rescue the entire world from the brink of utter global economic ruin. He would emerge as probably the most significant figure in all of history - the child of the world, who literally saves the world from economic devastation. The very embodiment of leftist heroism. Throw in an end to terrorism, possibly the capture of bin Ladin, or something equally significant, and he (or who ever is pulling the strings behind the curtain) would be free to turn the future of human civiliztion into whatever they wish it to be.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
See, you need to realise that there is a big old world outside of the USA, and it's full of people who would not accept a one world leader, no matter how much they may like the guy. What you're suggesting couldn't happen without a pretty decent sort of war to put it into place. It's not going to happen ever, but if it did, it would not be the result of the world rushing to embrace the POTUS, no matter who it happens to be on a given day.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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See, you need to realise that there is a big old world outside of the USA, and it's full of people who would not accept a one world leader, no matter how much they may like the guy. What you're suggesting couldn't happen without a pretty decent sort of war to put it into place. It's not going to happen ever, but if it did, it would not be the result of the world rushing to embrace the POTUS, no matter who it happens to be on a given day.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Christian Graus wrote:
See, you need to realise that there is a big old world outside of the USA, and it's full of people who would not accept a one world leader, no matter how much they may like the guy. What you're suggesting couldn't happen without a pretty decent sort of war to put it into place. It's not going to happen ever, but if it did, it would not be the result of the world rushing to embrace the POTUS, no matter who it happens to be on a given day.
I agree completely. But he is still a young guy, a perfect candidate for UN secretary general after a succesful tenure in the oval office. The world loves this guy already. He is the guy who has rescued the United States from...well... itself, and stands poised to turn it into the wonderful, peaceful, non-threatening, social welfare state the rest of the world so desperately wants us to be. SPending money on health care for illegal aliens rather than on our military and all that. Add that to saving the entire world from economic ruin, and you have a guy who could quite concievably be acceptable to most of the decmoratic societies of the world as the first elected leader of a global government of some kind.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
So do I take it that you are approving of personal debt but not government debt?
What I approve of is maximizing the opportunity for those things that can function outside the direct control of government, democratic or otherwise, to do so.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
What I approve of is maximizing the opportunity for those things that can function outside the direct control of government, democratic or otherwise, to do so.
What a wuss. Commit to something, Stan. You want lezzie faire or you don't. None of this "maximising the opportunity." You sound like Barney Frank, for pete's sake.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
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"there is yet no prospect of a near-term resolution to the crisis." As far as I know no one has actually looked for an actual solution yet. Certainly the UK government only ever talks about protecting/preserving the dead duck economy. Just chuck more money at it and it'll be fine which of course ignores the fact that the economy largely works on made up money and not real you know actual money because there isnt enough of the real stuff to cover what the banks are dealling with even when things are going well. So as far as i am aware no one is convinced that the latest plan to just print more will make much difference. Which basically brings us to the point the the global economy is fundamentally broken and the economists may be able to paper over the cracks for a while maybe even for a good number of years but sooner or later it's gonna break completely and then and only then are people going to start thinking about doing things differently.
pseudonym67 My Articles[^] Beginning KDevelop Programming[^]
pseudonym67 wrote:
Which basically brings us to the point the the global economy is fundamentally broken and the economists may be able to paper over the cracks for a while maybe even for a good number of years but sooner or later it's gonna break completely and then and only then are people going to start thinking about doing things differently.
I'll trade you two fish for eight ears of corn
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
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Christian Graus wrote:
See, you need to realise that there is a big old world outside of the USA, and it's full of people who would not accept a one world leader, no matter how much they may like the guy. What you're suggesting couldn't happen without a pretty decent sort of war to put it into place. It's not going to happen ever, but if it did, it would not be the result of the world rushing to embrace the POTUS, no matter who it happens to be on a given day.
I agree completely. But he is still a young guy, a perfect candidate for UN secretary general after a succesful tenure in the oval office. The world loves this guy already. He is the guy who has rescued the United States from...well... itself, and stands poised to turn it into the wonderful, peaceful, non-threatening, social welfare state the rest of the world so desperately wants us to be. SPending money on health care for illegal aliens rather than on our military and all that. Add that to saving the entire world from economic ruin, and you have a guy who could quite concievably be acceptable to most of the decmoratic societies of the world as the first elected leader of a global government of some kind.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
In the UK there are over one million doctors, nurses and others that form our National Health Service. That number makes the UK's NHS one of the world's largest employers. But that number is dwarfed by the numbers that makes up the armed forces of the United States. So rather than spend money on USA health etc..., you would much prefer even more money spent on your military. Tell me, is for for new equipment? is it for new soldiers/sailors/airmen? How much more money do you want spent, and where do you suppose this money is coming from given the current state of Federal finances and the National Debt which incidentally Obama has suggested will be ruthlessly cut within the next few years. How big a military do you need and how big is too big?
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pseudonym67 wrote:
then and only then are people going to start thinking about doing things differently.
And what would that be? If things really are as bad as they are made out to be, what was the cause? The only solution I can see would be to simply divide up into separate societies. Let those of us who wish to live in a free market, capitalistic, jeffersonian society do so. And let those who don't go their own way. Let the experiment run its course unrestricted. In my Jeffersonian society, we would simply outlaw socialism of any flavor. Government would only be allowed to provide for the general welfare and nothing else, the courts would have no power beyond interpretation of the actual content of the constitution. In yours you could have governmetn be the center of all economic and social decision making. Let people vote with their feet as to which society they wish to live in. And let the one that survives take all.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Let the experiment run its course unrestricted. In my Jeffersonian society, we would simply outlaw socialism of any flavor.
Yep. Can't have any free market when it comes to ideas! That would be bad.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
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Christian Graus wrote:
See, you need to realise that there is a big old world outside of the USA, and it's full of people who would not accept a one world leader, no matter how much they may like the guy. What you're suggesting couldn't happen without a pretty decent sort of war to put it into place. It's not going to happen ever, but if it did, it would not be the result of the world rushing to embrace the POTUS, no matter who it happens to be on a given day.
I agree completely. But he is still a young guy, a perfect candidate for UN secretary general after a succesful tenure in the oval office. The world loves this guy already. He is the guy who has rescued the United States from...well... itself, and stands poised to turn it into the wonderful, peaceful, non-threatening, social welfare state the rest of the world so desperately wants us to be. SPending money on health care for illegal aliens rather than on our military and all that. Add that to saving the entire world from economic ruin, and you have a guy who could quite concievably be acceptable to most of the decmoratic societies of the world as the first elected leader of a global government of some kind.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
stands poised to turn it into the wonderful, peaceful, non-threatening, social welfare state the rest of the world so desperately wants us to b
The only bit we give a damn about is peaceful. The US is a very war like country, and the rest of the world pays the price.
Stan Shannon wrote:
SPending money on health care for illegal aliens rather than on our military and all that.
Again, the US is a very war like nation, but, I don't think too many people think you should give your illegals health care. You just do that because your economy runs on the bodies of illegal workers who will accept jobs that pay below the poverty line.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Add that to saving the entire world from economic ruin, and you have a guy who could quite concievably be acceptable to most of the decmoratic societies of the world as the first elected leader of a global government of some kind.
If you mean the UN, that's possible. Of course, unless the UN has an army, he won't be a global leader in any meaningful sense, just as no other UN leader has been.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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In the UK there are over one million doctors, nurses and others that form our National Health Service. That number makes the UK's NHS one of the world's largest employers. But that number is dwarfed by the numbers that makes up the armed forces of the United States. So rather than spend money on USA health etc..., you would much prefer even more money spent on your military. Tell me, is for for new equipment? is it for new soldiers/sailors/airmen? How much more money do you want spent, and where do you suppose this money is coming from given the current state of Federal finances and the National Debt which incidentally Obama has suggested will be ruthlessly cut within the next few years. How big a military do you need and how big is too big?
The US loves it's army. There is no such thing as 'too big'.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.