I Liked CP A Lot Better...
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...when it was a *programmer's* hangout, and not full of the bullshit messages we see nowadays... ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: not full of the bullshit messages What's wrong with bullshit? Isn't that what the lounge is all about? For light hearted bullshit. *programmer's* don't really want to talk about *programming* all day long you know. For when you want to discuss more relevant topics, there's over a dozen specific forums, plus general discussion, work issues, and collaboration. Granted, I've only been here for a short while, so I don't know how the lounge has changed, but it seems like its pretty much doing what its supposed to (ie. "discussing anything that takes your fancy") BW {insert witty/thought-provoking saying here}
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But the lounge is precisely the place where you're supposed to post "bullshit" messages. (I've posted my fair share too I guess, come to think of it) But maybe we should experiment with getting rid of the lounge altogether for a while and see what difference is made. Might get more people trawling the programming forums instead. After all, we could always post "bullshit" messages on msn or sonork etc. ASP.NET can never fail as working with it is like fitting bras to supermodels - it's one pleasure after the next - David Wulff
Senkwe Chanda wrote: getting rid of the lounge altogether for a while No, let's not do this. (I may become more unstable than a VB app) Maybe uncle Chris should start banning ppl who flame/troll in the Microsoft-loving lounge. :rolleyes: Cheers, Simon "Sign up for a chance to be among the first to experience the wrath of the gods.", Microsoft's home page (24/06/2002)
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: not full of the bullshit messages What's wrong with bullshit? Isn't that what the lounge is all about? For light hearted bullshit. *programmer's* don't really want to talk about *programming* all day long you know. For when you want to discuss more relevant topics, there's over a dozen specific forums, plus general discussion, work issues, and collaboration. Granted, I've only been here for a short while, so I don't know how the lounge has changed, but it seems like its pretty much doing what its supposed to (ie. "discussing anything that takes your fancy") BW {insert witty/thought-provoking saying here}
If I have to explain, you won't understand. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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If I have to explain, you won't understand. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: If I have to explain, you won't understand. So, you don't know either. ;P BW {insert witty/thought-provoking saying here}
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But the lounge is precisely the place where you're supposed to post "bullshit" messages. (I've posted my fair share too I guess, come to think of it) But maybe we should experiment with getting rid of the lounge altogether for a while and see what difference is made. Might get more people trawling the programming forums instead. After all, we could always post "bullshit" messages on msn or sonork etc. ASP.NET can never fail as working with it is like fitting bras to supermodels - it's one pleasure after the next - David Wulff
Senkwe Chanda wrote: But maybe we should experiment with getting rid of the lounge altogether for a while and see what difference is made. Well for a start the free bandwidth for Canada would start to rise exponentially...
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
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I agree. I've been trying to think of a name for the Soapbox that will encourage more people to use it to have a rant, thus freeing up the lounge for more on-topic stuff. Speaker's Corner? Rant and Rave? Flame Central? Any more ideas? cheers, Chris Maunder
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I agree. I've been trying to think of a name for the Soapbox that will encourage more people to use it to have a rant, thus freeing up the lounge for more on-topic stuff. Speaker's Corner? Rant and Rave? Flame Central? Any more ideas? cheers, Chris Maunder
I don't think *you* need to change anything Chris. I think people posting here need to change. Changing the name of the soapbox won't help anyway (you already did that once, and nothing really changed). Maybe I'm just a lot more short-tempered than I used to be. Hell, maybe I've grown out of CP (and matured beyond needing/believing in Microsoft's "vision"). Feel like starting a Linux group, or a separate Linux version of CP? Would that torque Microsoft's jaws too much (since they appear to be a fairly major sponsor here). I wiped Windows off my primary machine (and one of two secondry machines) at home, and have started writing Linux apps. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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I agree. I've been trying to think of a name for the Soapbox that will encourage more people to use it to have a rant, thus freeing up the lounge for more on-topic stuff. Speaker's Corner? Rant and Rave? Flame Central? Any more ideas? cheers, Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote: Speaker's Corner? Rant and Rave? Flame Central? Any more ideas? If you want something "exotic" I can suggest "rabelot" (it's the term used here in Milan to describe a noisy and messy place and my gran mother used it a lot when I was I child and spent most my afternoons at her home :)) or the pseudo-italian version "rabelotto". -- Looking for a new screen-saver? Try FOYD: http://digilander.iol.it/FOYD
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I agree. I've been trying to think of a name for the Soapbox that will encourage more people to use it to have a rant, thus freeing up the lounge for more on-topic stuff. Speaker's Corner? Rant and Rave? Flame Central? Any more ideas? cheers, Chris Maunder
What is "on-topic" for the lounge, Chris? Like others, I haven't been around all that long, but it seems to me that General Discussions is for general programming discussions (and you can see how many posts that gets ;)). Like in the real world, The Lounge is for sitting around talking about nothing in particular and the SoapBox is for rants. If anything needs renaming, I'd go for "General Discussions" but I wouldn't know where to start with what it should be called. Paul
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: not full of the bullshit messages What's wrong with bullshit? Isn't that what the lounge is all about? For light hearted bullshit. *programmer's* don't really want to talk about *programming* all day long you know. For when you want to discuss more relevant topics, there's over a dozen specific forums, plus general discussion, work issues, and collaboration. Granted, I've only been here for a short while, so I don't know how the lounge has changed, but it seems like its pretty much doing what its supposed to (ie. "discussing anything that takes your fancy") BW {insert witty/thought-provoking saying here}
The lounge was designed for a place for people to come in and relax, not to post flames and blatent trolls. As it is also featured heavily on the front page, some of the recent topic titles might appear off putting to first time visitors. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
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I agree. I've been trying to think of a name for the Soapbox that will encourage more people to use it to have a rant, thus freeing up the lounge for more on-topic stuff. Speaker's Corner? Rant and Rave? Flame Central? Any more ideas? cheers, Chris Maunder
What about setting up some kind of moderator system whereby messages which are out of context can be moved or deleted by people with the correct privilliges? Seems to work for other sites. Cheers James
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The lounge was designed for a place for people to come in and relax, not to post flames and blatent trolls. As it is also featured heavily on the front page, some of the recent topic titles might appear off putting to first time visitors. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
I understand. So we would like to keep all controversial topics in the Soapbox, correct? (ie. religion, politics, meaning of life) Maybe an explicit message stating that in the Lounge, along with some moderating for a week or so, might help to train. Moderating could also be done by long time members, just like any other society. Where which message goes may seem obvious, but appparently its not, so people just need to be told, I'm sure they aren't misusing the board intentionally. BW {insert witty/thought-provoking saying here}
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...when it was a *programmer's* hangout, and not full of the bullshit messages we see nowadays... ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: ...when it was a *programmer's* hangout, and not full of the bullshit messages we see nowadays... What "topics" are bullshit and which are not bullshit? i.e. What kind of topics do you see as being Lounge orientated and which should go in the Soapbox? Politics, religion, sex, links etc. I assume by you are not suitable for the Lounge? Just curious :) (and is this thread itself Lounge safe?)
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BlueGrassGroup.com
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I agree. I've been trying to think of a name for the Soapbox that will encourage more people to use it to have a rant, thus freeing up the lounge for more on-topic stuff. Speaker's Corner? Rant and Rave? Flame Central? Any more ideas? cheers, Chris Maunder
I think that there is a real need for a 'Politics' message board, as these seem to incite the most ranting and angry posts. I enjoy discussing politics (and yelling about it occasionally :-O), but I'd rather leave the lounge for lounging. -- Russell Morris "Have you gone mad Frink? Put down that science pole!"
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I agree. I've been trying to think of a name for the Soapbox that will encourage more people to use it to have a rant, thus freeing up the lounge for more on-topic stuff. Speaker's Corner? Rant and Rave? Flame Central? Any more ideas? cheers, Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote: I've been trying to think of a name for the Soapbox that will encourage more people to use it to have a rant, thus freeing up the lounge for more on-topic stuff. I am with Simmons on this, renaming won't help. If you do want the Lounge to be more on topic then I guess sterner "warnings/notices" need to be shown and moderation needs to happen. I know it is time consuming for you to moderate, but maybe someone else can do it? Also if you are thinking of renaming then I think the Lounge should be renamed. To me Lounge means anything level headed goes (religion, politics, sex etc.) while the non-level headed "just want to blow off steam or annoy thousands of people" posts should go in the Soapbox. * But if you are adament in renaming the Soapbox then Speaker's Corner is good, it says to me that any non-development related opinions can be expressed there.
Paul Watson
BlueGrassGroup.com
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: ...when it was a *programmer's* hangout, and not full of the bullshit messages we see nowadays... What "topics" are bullshit and which are not bullshit? i.e. What kind of topics do you see as being Lounge orientated and which should go in the Soapbox? Politics, religion, sex, links etc. I assume by you are not suitable for the Lounge? Just curious :) (and is this thread itself Lounge safe?)
Paul Watson
BlueGrassGroup.com
Cape Town, South AfricaRemember, John has "matured". He sees the world differently now. :laugh: Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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If I have to explain, you won't understand. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
Hey, I don't have to explain my art to you. If you aren't smart enough to get it, you should go read X-MEN.[^] Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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I agree. I've been trying to think of a name for the Soapbox that will encourage more people to use it to have a rant, thus freeing up the lounge for more on-topic stuff. Speaker's Corner? Rant and Rave? Flame Central? Any more ideas? cheers, Chris Maunder
Well I have to say I don't understand. I have always thought "The Lounge" was a place for us "sort of" like minded people to come and shoot the breeze on just about any subject. But I do agree, renaming it won't help. Only warning messages and moderation. (ick) But do with it what you want. It is your site. You won't get a hissy fit from me (already met my quota this month). Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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I don't think *you* need to change anything Chris. I think people posting here need to change. Changing the name of the soapbox won't help anyway (you already did that once, and nothing really changed). Maybe I'm just a lot more short-tempered than I used to be. Hell, maybe I've grown out of CP (and matured beyond needing/believing in Microsoft's "vision"). Feel like starting a Linux group, or a separate Linux version of CP? Would that torque Microsoft's jaws too much (since they appear to be a fairly major sponsor here). I wiped Windows off my primary machine (and one of two secondry machines) at home, and have started writing Linux apps. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Feel like starting a Linux group, or a separate Linux version of CP? Would that torque Microsoft's jaws too much (since they appear to be a fairly major sponsor here). I'd like to see more Windows/*nix interop topics so that would be cool. But then again, there's already sourceforge. ASP.NET can never fail as working with it is like fitting bras to supermodels - it's one pleasure after the next - David Wulff
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: ...when it was a *programmer's* hangout, and not full of the bullshit messages we see nowadays... What "topics" are bullshit and which are not bullshit? i.e. What kind of topics do you see as being Lounge orientated and which should go in the Soapbox? Politics, religion, sex, links etc. I assume by you are not suitable for the Lounge? Just curious :) (and is this thread itself Lounge safe?)
Paul Watson
BlueGrassGroup.com
Cape Town, South Africa