I Liked CP A Lot Better...
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I agree. I've been trying to think of a name for the Soapbox that will encourage more people to use it to have a rant, thus freeing up the lounge for more on-topic stuff. Speaker's Corner? Rant and Rave? Flame Central? Any more ideas? cheers, Chris Maunder
What is "on-topic" for the lounge, Chris? Like others, I haven't been around all that long, but it seems to me that General Discussions is for general programming discussions (and you can see how many posts that gets ;)). Like in the real world, The Lounge is for sitting around talking about nothing in particular and the SoapBox is for rants. If anything needs renaming, I'd go for "General Discussions" but I wouldn't know where to start with what it should be called. Paul
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: not full of the bullshit messages What's wrong with bullshit? Isn't that what the lounge is all about? For light hearted bullshit. *programmer's* don't really want to talk about *programming* all day long you know. For when you want to discuss more relevant topics, there's over a dozen specific forums, plus general discussion, work issues, and collaboration. Granted, I've only been here for a short while, so I don't know how the lounge has changed, but it seems like its pretty much doing what its supposed to (ie. "discussing anything that takes your fancy") BW {insert witty/thought-provoking saying here}
The lounge was designed for a place for people to come in and relax, not to post flames and blatent trolls. As it is also featured heavily on the front page, some of the recent topic titles might appear off putting to first time visitors. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
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I agree. I've been trying to think of a name for the Soapbox that will encourage more people to use it to have a rant, thus freeing up the lounge for more on-topic stuff. Speaker's Corner? Rant and Rave? Flame Central? Any more ideas? cheers, Chris Maunder
What about setting up some kind of moderator system whereby messages which are out of context can be moved or deleted by people with the correct privilliges? Seems to work for other sites. Cheers James
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The lounge was designed for a place for people to come in and relax, not to post flames and blatent trolls. As it is also featured heavily on the front page, some of the recent topic titles might appear off putting to first time visitors. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
I understand. So we would like to keep all controversial topics in the Soapbox, correct? (ie. religion, politics, meaning of life) Maybe an explicit message stating that in the Lounge, along with some moderating for a week or so, might help to train. Moderating could also be done by long time members, just like any other society. Where which message goes may seem obvious, but appparently its not, so people just need to be told, I'm sure they aren't misusing the board intentionally. BW {insert witty/thought-provoking saying here}
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...when it was a *programmer's* hangout, and not full of the bullshit messages we see nowadays... ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: ...when it was a *programmer's* hangout, and not full of the bullshit messages we see nowadays... What "topics" are bullshit and which are not bullshit? i.e. What kind of topics do you see as being Lounge orientated and which should go in the Soapbox? Politics, religion, sex, links etc. I assume by you are not suitable for the Lounge? Just curious :) (and is this thread itself Lounge safe?)
Paul Watson
BlueGrassGroup.com
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I agree. I've been trying to think of a name for the Soapbox that will encourage more people to use it to have a rant, thus freeing up the lounge for more on-topic stuff. Speaker's Corner? Rant and Rave? Flame Central? Any more ideas? cheers, Chris Maunder
I think that there is a real need for a 'Politics' message board, as these seem to incite the most ranting and angry posts. I enjoy discussing politics (and yelling about it occasionally :-O), but I'd rather leave the lounge for lounging. -- Russell Morris "Have you gone mad Frink? Put down that science pole!"
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I agree. I've been trying to think of a name for the Soapbox that will encourage more people to use it to have a rant, thus freeing up the lounge for more on-topic stuff. Speaker's Corner? Rant and Rave? Flame Central? Any more ideas? cheers, Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote: I've been trying to think of a name for the Soapbox that will encourage more people to use it to have a rant, thus freeing up the lounge for more on-topic stuff. I am with Simmons on this, renaming won't help. If you do want the Lounge to be more on topic then I guess sterner "warnings/notices" need to be shown and moderation needs to happen. I know it is time consuming for you to moderate, but maybe someone else can do it? Also if you are thinking of renaming then I think the Lounge should be renamed. To me Lounge means anything level headed goes (religion, politics, sex etc.) while the non-level headed "just want to blow off steam or annoy thousands of people" posts should go in the Soapbox. * But if you are adament in renaming the Soapbox then Speaker's Corner is good, it says to me that any non-development related opinions can be expressed there.
Paul Watson
BlueGrassGroup.com
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: ...when it was a *programmer's* hangout, and not full of the bullshit messages we see nowadays... What "topics" are bullshit and which are not bullshit? i.e. What kind of topics do you see as being Lounge orientated and which should go in the Soapbox? Politics, religion, sex, links etc. I assume by you are not suitable for the Lounge? Just curious :) (and is this thread itself Lounge safe?)
Paul Watson
BlueGrassGroup.com
Cape Town, South AfricaRemember, John has "matured". He sees the world differently now. :laugh: Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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If I have to explain, you won't understand. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
Hey, I don't have to explain my art to you. If you aren't smart enough to get it, you should go read X-MEN.[^] Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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I agree. I've been trying to think of a name for the Soapbox that will encourage more people to use it to have a rant, thus freeing up the lounge for more on-topic stuff. Speaker's Corner? Rant and Rave? Flame Central? Any more ideas? cheers, Chris Maunder
Well I have to say I don't understand. I have always thought "The Lounge" was a place for us "sort of" like minded people to come and shoot the breeze on just about any subject. But I do agree, renaming it won't help. Only warning messages and moderation. (ick) But do with it what you want. It is your site. You won't get a hissy fit from me (already met my quota this month). Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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I don't think *you* need to change anything Chris. I think people posting here need to change. Changing the name of the soapbox won't help anyway (you already did that once, and nothing really changed). Maybe I'm just a lot more short-tempered than I used to be. Hell, maybe I've grown out of CP (and matured beyond needing/believing in Microsoft's "vision"). Feel like starting a Linux group, or a separate Linux version of CP? Would that torque Microsoft's jaws too much (since they appear to be a fairly major sponsor here). I wiped Windows off my primary machine (and one of two secondry machines) at home, and have started writing Linux apps. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Feel like starting a Linux group, or a separate Linux version of CP? Would that torque Microsoft's jaws too much (since they appear to be a fairly major sponsor here). I'd like to see more Windows/*nix interop topics so that would be cool. But then again, there's already sourceforge. ASP.NET can never fail as working with it is like fitting bras to supermodels - it's one pleasure after the next - David Wulff
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: ...when it was a *programmer's* hangout, and not full of the bullshit messages we see nowadays... What "topics" are bullshit and which are not bullshit? i.e. What kind of topics do you see as being Lounge orientated and which should go in the Soapbox? Politics, religion, sex, links etc. I assume by you are not suitable for the Lounge? Just curious :) (and is this thread itself Lounge safe?)
Paul Watson
BlueGrassGroup.com
Cape Town, South Africa -
I agree. I've been trying to think of a name for the Soapbox that will encourage more people to use it to have a rant, thus freeing up the lounge for more on-topic stuff. Speaker's Corner? Rant and Rave? Flame Central? Any more ideas? cheers, Chris Maunder
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I agree. I've been trying to think of a name for the Soapbox that will encourage more people to use it to have a rant, thus freeing up the lounge for more on-topic stuff. Speaker's Corner? Rant and Rave? Flame Central? Any more ideas? cheers, Chris Maunder
The Jerry Spring Room? Jon Sagara Red Swingline Staplers
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The Jerry Spring Room? Jon Sagara Red Swingline Staplers
Jon Sagara wrote: The Jerry Spring Room? Spring-ER Jon Sagara Red Swingline Staplers
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...when it was a *programmer's* hangout, and not full of the bullshit messages we see nowadays... ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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I agree. I've been trying to think of a name for the Soapbox that will encourage more people to use it to have a rant, thus freeing up the lounge for more on-topic stuff. Speaker's Corner? Rant and Rave? Flame Central? Any more ideas? cheers, Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote: Rant and Rave? That's my vote! A lot more "stuff" seems to have drifted into the Lounge since the Soapbox name came into being. Or perhaps The Mudroom would work - that anteroom where you take of the galoshes, shake off the mud and dust, and hang up your slicker before entering the house...
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I agree. I've been trying to think of a name for the Soapbox that will encourage more people to use it to have a rant, thus freeing up the lounge for more on-topic stuff. Speaker's Corner? Rant and Rave? Flame Central? Any more ideas? cheers, Chris Maunder
I thought the lounge was for non programming stuff. What exactly is the "topic". It would get real boring real fast if all we talked about was sports and fashion and what we ate for breakfast. Richard When we mean to build, We first survey the plot, then draw the model; And when we see the figure of the house, Then must we rate the cost of the execution. William Shakespeare (King Henry IV)
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I don't think *you* need to change anything Chris. I think people posting here need to change. Changing the name of the soapbox won't help anyway (you already did that once, and nothing really changed). Maybe I'm just a lot more short-tempered than I used to be. Hell, maybe I've grown out of CP (and matured beyond needing/believing in Microsoft's "vision"). Feel like starting a Linux group, or a separate Linux version of CP? Would that torque Microsoft's jaws too much (since they appear to be a fairly major sponsor here). I wiped Windows off my primary machine (and one of two secondry machines) at home, and have started writing Linux apps. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I wiped Windows off my primary machine (and one of two secondry machines) at home, and have started writing Linux apps. It takes balls to admit that in the Lounge. ;) I hope you have a ball doing Unix stuff as I once did. It's a very free environment in that most (if not all) API's are very simple and elegant allowing you to write pretty elegant stuff. I really do miss writing Unix stuff for a living. :( Preferred storyline: - I am your father. Search your feelings and you'll know it's the truth. Together we can rule this galaxy like father and son. - Ok dad. Let's kick some butt!
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I agree. I've been trying to think of a name for the Soapbox that will encourage more people to use it to have a rant, thus freeing up the lounge for more on-topic stuff. Speaker's Corner? Rant and Rave? Flame Central? Any more ideas? cheers, Chris Maunder
Kinda swimming upstream, don't you think? Obviously, people aren't going to go to the Soapbox no matter you call it, as they clearly want to do their ranting in the lounge. Consequently, I suggest a little bit of Forum Aikido. Instead of resisting what's happening, trying to change something that doesn't want to change, why not roll with it? Eliminate the Soapbox. Leave the Lounge as is, and let the rants continue. However, add a new area along the lines of "Programmers' Pub", where people who want to talk techie can congregate. Lounge is for ranting, news items, religious wars, etc. Programmers' Pub is for, how did you put it, more on-topic stuff. See how easy that is? :-D It's true that you can lead a horse to water, but if you can get him to walk on it you can charge a cover... Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)