Wag the Dog
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America and the UK have just launched an air-borne attack against a defence site in Western Iraq. I'm not going to say anything about American stupidity because it defies belief but I can't understand how Britain, or more specifically, Blair is being so dumb too :( Why is the UK letting itself get tainted in the eye of the rest of the world by joining in this action? None of the other countries have joined or even supported the attack. The only excuse Blair can come up with is that it helps to strengthen the "special" relationship between Britain and the UK. Didn't Blair learn anything at school? One of his precedessors said something to the effect that allies are temporary, only interests are eternal. Blair would do well to listen to this wise counsel. The special relationship is special only for the British. From the American side Britian is just another small country who just happens to follow orders... America has more important countries to worry about. It's focus is not on Europe anymore now that the communist menace has been eliminated but on the Asian-Pacific rim and (because of the Isreali lobby) the mid-east. British support serves only to confer legitimacy. However the value of this will recede over time. If other countries know that Britain will automatically support the US in whatever adventure the US is currently up to the 2 countries will be seen to have a common foreign policy (Javeir Solana, EU foreign "minister", would kill for this) and thus devalue of support in the eyes of other countries. Britain has lost the excellence it once had in the practice of the fine art of diplomacy. It should learn from the Japanese (especially their expert handling of the Afganistan issue) and hopefully get back it's rightful place. Brian Azzopardi bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur
[eat, drink, for tomorrow we die]
Brian Azzopardi wrote: It should learn from the Japanese (especially their expert handling of the Afganistan issue) Just curious how they handled the Afghan issue? I did not even know Japan was involved.
Paul Watson
BlueGrassGroup.com
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America and the UK have just launched an air-borne attack against a defence site in Western Iraq. I'm not going to say anything about American stupidity because it defies belief but I can't understand how Britain, or more specifically, Blair is being so dumb too :( Why is the UK letting itself get tainted in the eye of the rest of the world by joining in this action? None of the other countries have joined or even supported the attack. The only excuse Blair can come up with is that it helps to strengthen the "special" relationship between Britain and the UK. Didn't Blair learn anything at school? One of his precedessors said something to the effect that allies are temporary, only interests are eternal. Blair would do well to listen to this wise counsel. The special relationship is special only for the British. From the American side Britian is just another small country who just happens to follow orders... America has more important countries to worry about. It's focus is not on Europe anymore now that the communist menace has been eliminated but on the Asian-Pacific rim and (because of the Isreali lobby) the mid-east. British support serves only to confer legitimacy. However the value of this will recede over time. If other countries know that Britain will automatically support the US in whatever adventure the US is currently up to the 2 countries will be seen to have a common foreign policy (Javeir Solana, EU foreign "minister", would kill for this) and thus devalue of support in the eyes of other countries. Britain has lost the excellence it once had in the practice of the fine art of diplomacy. It should learn from the Japanese (especially their expert handling of the Afganistan issue) and hopefully get back it's rightful place. Brian Azzopardi bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur
[eat, drink, for tomorrow we die]
this is just enforcement of the no-fly zone, which they are allowed to do. so its not war yet
"When the only tool you have is a hammer, a sore thumb you will have."
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Brian Azzopardi wrote: It should learn from the Japanese (especially their expert handling of the Afganistan issue) Just curious how they handled the Afghan issue? I did not even know Japan was involved.
Paul Watson
BlueGrassGroup.com
Cape Town, South AfricaThat is the point. Do nothing and not get attacked. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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That is the point. Do nothing and not get attacked. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
Tim Smith wrote: That is the point. Do nothing and not get attacked. That's a bit naive, don't you think? How much 'nothing' would've stopped Pearl Harbor? -- Russell Morris "Have you gone mad Frink? Put down that science pole!"
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America and the UK have just launched an air-borne attack against a defence site in Western Iraq. I'm not going to say anything about American stupidity because it defies belief but I can't understand how Britain, or more specifically, Blair is being so dumb too :( Why is the UK letting itself get tainted in the eye of the rest of the world by joining in this action? None of the other countries have joined or even supported the attack. The only excuse Blair can come up with is that it helps to strengthen the "special" relationship between Britain and the UK. Didn't Blair learn anything at school? One of his precedessors said something to the effect that allies are temporary, only interests are eternal. Blair would do well to listen to this wise counsel. The special relationship is special only for the British. From the American side Britian is just another small country who just happens to follow orders... America has more important countries to worry about. It's focus is not on Europe anymore now that the communist menace has been eliminated but on the Asian-Pacific rim and (because of the Isreali lobby) the mid-east. British support serves only to confer legitimacy. However the value of this will recede over time. If other countries know that Britain will automatically support the US in whatever adventure the US is currently up to the 2 countries will be seen to have a common foreign policy (Javeir Solana, EU foreign "minister", would kill for this) and thus devalue of support in the eyes of other countries. Britain has lost the excellence it once had in the practice of the fine art of diplomacy. It should learn from the Japanese (especially their expert handling of the Afganistan issue) and hopefully get back it's rightful place. Brian Azzopardi bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur
[eat, drink, for tomorrow we die]
Sigh... (based on what someone said) I guess upholding the U.N. agreement is unimportant. So the US should follow the U.N., I mean not follow the U.N. Or is it follow the U.N.? I can't tell anymore. The way to solve the problems with Iraq is a new pre-WWII policy of appeasement. Yeah, that is the solution. :rolleyes: Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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Tim Smith wrote: That is the point. Do nothing and not get attacked. That's a bit naive, don't you think? How much 'nothing' would've stopped Pearl Harbor? -- Russell Morris "Have you gone mad Frink? Put down that science pole!"
LOL, it was a tounge in cheek statement. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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America and the UK have just launched an air-borne attack against a defence site in Western Iraq. I'm not going to say anything about American stupidity because it defies belief but I can't understand how Britain, or more specifically, Blair is being so dumb too :( Why is the UK letting itself get tainted in the eye of the rest of the world by joining in this action? None of the other countries have joined or even supported the attack. The only excuse Blair can come up with is that it helps to strengthen the "special" relationship between Britain and the UK. Didn't Blair learn anything at school? One of his precedessors said something to the effect that allies are temporary, only interests are eternal. Blair would do well to listen to this wise counsel. The special relationship is special only for the British. From the American side Britian is just another small country who just happens to follow orders... America has more important countries to worry about. It's focus is not on Europe anymore now that the communist menace has been eliminated but on the Asian-Pacific rim and (because of the Isreali lobby) the mid-east. British support serves only to confer legitimacy. However the value of this will recede over time. If other countries know that Britain will automatically support the US in whatever adventure the US is currently up to the 2 countries will be seen to have a common foreign policy (Javeir Solana, EU foreign "minister", would kill for this) and thus devalue of support in the eyes of other countries. Britain has lost the excellence it once had in the practice of the fine art of diplomacy. It should learn from the Japanese (especially their expert handling of the Afganistan issue) and hopefully get back it's rightful place. Brian Azzopardi bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur
[eat, drink, for tomorrow we die]
The American and British airforces have been hitting targets in Iraq since the end of the Gulf War. They are enforcing the no fly zone which was designed to protected the Kurds and Southern Iraqis from Saddam's forces. This action is slightly larger than previous ones, but is pretty much business as usual. The Iraqi's decided to play a few of their games, the Collition forces responded in kind. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
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That is the point. Do nothing and not get attacked. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
Tim Smith wrote: That is the point. Do nothing and not get attacked. Oh, but I assume that is easy for Japan to do as they are not in the direct line of fire like the States was. What happens when you are a country directly affected or being called upon by directly affected countries? Still do nothing and hope they just go away?
Paul Watson
BlueGrassGroup.com
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Tim Smith wrote: That is the point. Do nothing and not get attacked. Oh, but I assume that is easy for Japan to do as they are not in the direct line of fire like the States was. What happens when you are a country directly affected or being called upon by directly affected countries? Still do nothing and hope they just go away?
Paul Watson
BlueGrassGroup.com
Cape Town, South AfricaDon't ask me, ask them. :) Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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The American and British airforces have been hitting targets in Iraq since the end of the Gulf War. They are enforcing the no fly zone which was designed to protected the Kurds and Southern Iraqis from Saddam's forces. This action is slightly larger than previous ones, but is pretty much business as usual. The Iraqi's decided to play a few of their games, the Collition forces responded in kind. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
This was a huge operation with about 100 planes. Also, take out this installation and it clears a path for special forces. We know that Iran and Iraq sponsor terrorism. We should just declare war on them both and get it over with.
Jason Henderson
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America and the UK have just launched an air-borne attack against a defence site in Western Iraq. I'm not going to say anything about American stupidity because it defies belief but I can't understand how Britain, or more specifically, Blair is being so dumb too :( Why is the UK letting itself get tainted in the eye of the rest of the world by joining in this action? None of the other countries have joined or even supported the attack. The only excuse Blair can come up with is that it helps to strengthen the "special" relationship between Britain and the UK. Didn't Blair learn anything at school? One of his precedessors said something to the effect that allies are temporary, only interests are eternal. Blair would do well to listen to this wise counsel. The special relationship is special only for the British. From the American side Britian is just another small country who just happens to follow orders... America has more important countries to worry about. It's focus is not on Europe anymore now that the communist menace has been eliminated but on the Asian-Pacific rim and (because of the Isreali lobby) the mid-east. British support serves only to confer legitimacy. However the value of this will recede over time. If other countries know that Britain will automatically support the US in whatever adventure the US is currently up to the 2 countries will be seen to have a common foreign policy (Javeir Solana, EU foreign "minister", would kill for this) and thus devalue of support in the eyes of other countries. Britain has lost the excellence it once had in the practice of the fine art of diplomacy. It should learn from the Japanese (especially their expert handling of the Afganistan issue) and hopefully get back it's rightful place. Brian Azzopardi bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur
[eat, drink, for tomorrow we die]
Brian Azzopardi wrote: I'm not going to say anything about American stupidity because it defies belief :wtf::confused: Your absolutely right - the world should wait until Saddam succeeds in making a nuke before we do anything about him. Brian - if you stand up straight the popping sound you here is your head coming out of your ass. Dave Huff Igor would you give me a hand with the bags? Certainly - you take the blonde and I'll take the one in the turban!
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The American and British airforces have been hitting targets in Iraq since the end of the Gulf War. They are enforcing the no fly zone which was designed to protected the Kurds and Southern Iraqis from Saddam's forces. This action is slightly larger than previous ones, but is pretty much business as usual. The Iraqi's decided to play a few of their games, the Collition forces responded in kind. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
According to the BBC News this morning this is about the 30th such attack by the Coalition this year - it only made the news because it was on a larger scale than the others. Business as usual it seems. Anna :rose: "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
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Brian Azzopardi wrote: It should learn from the Japanese (especially their expert handling of the Afganistan issue) Just curious how they handled the Afghan issue? I did not even know Japan was involved.
Paul Watson
BlueGrassGroup.com
Cape Town, South AfricaFrom the Japanese point of view their country needs to things: - America to garauntee Japanese security - Markets for economic growth Although the Americans think that Japan is their ally it is only an ally in the sense that Japan wants America to defend it. Japan *wants* america to defend it because Japan has a historically bad reputation with other neighbours and they see an armed Japan as a military threat to be neutralized. So if Japan can get America to defend it Japan is seen as being defensive, i.e. it's not following an aggressive expansionist agenda as it did during the late 19th/early 20th century when it commited atrocities against the people of China, Korea and others. Although America protects Jap ass, the japanese can concentrate on the economics. And economically they are rivals of America. The Japanese don't shout this out ofcourse. But American foreign policy blunders put them in tight corners. America expects Japan to be an ally yet the Japanese are unwilling because they want to do business with the Arabs. The japs have no need to fight a war against Iraq or any other country. They just want their oil. When american war drums started beating recently signaling an attack on Iraq, Japan was worried about it's oil supply if war broke out so it signed a $12 billion investment deal with Iran - the same Iran America fingers as one of the Axis of Evil (TM) - and in return Iran promises a secure flow of oil for the Japanese economy. Yet Japan doesn't want to be seen as going against the Americans so Koizumi (jap prime minister) promises the best warships they have (Aegis-class cruisers). In reality the Japs just sent a couple of planes with blankets. They never had men on the ground. In return for this Rumsfield pronounced that he was pretty happy with the Japanese contribution. At the same time Koizumi was pledging support, another minister was doing the arab countries calming their fears and telling them that Japan was not really at war with anybody. Ofcourse I've left bits out in the above but it gives a rough idea of how the Japs dealt with the situation. They are still percieved as American friends in America but in Arab countries they are considered as friends. Britain would do well to the mercantilist diplomacy it too used to practice. Brian Azzopardi bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur
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This was a huge operation with about 100 planes. Also, take out this installation and it clears a path for special forces. We know that Iran and Iraq sponsor terrorism. We should just declare war on them both and get it over with.
Jason Henderson
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"If you are going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston ChurchillJason Henderson wrote: This was a huge operation with about 100 planes. I'll agree it was a large operation, designed more for sending a political message than just combatting the threat. Jason Henderson wrote: We know that Iran and Iraq sponsor terrorism. We should just declare war on them both and get it over with. Yes. We should declare war on any country that doesn't support free and democratic elections. We should take out the petty dictators and those who are running there countries into the group. - But it shouldn't be the governments doing this, it should be Joe Public standing up and saying to our governments "Go sort out the world, or we will do it for you". The Americans have something that reads "We the people...". Sometimes I think that we forgot who holds the true power in all the countries of the world. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
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Jason Henderson wrote: This was a huge operation with about 100 planes. I'll agree it was a large operation, designed more for sending a political message than just combatting the threat. Jason Henderson wrote: We know that Iran and Iraq sponsor terrorism. We should just declare war on them both and get it over with. Yes. We should declare war on any country that doesn't support free and democratic elections. We should take out the petty dictators and those who are running there countries into the group. - But it shouldn't be the governments doing this, it should be Joe Public standing up and saying to our governments "Go sort out the world, or we will do it for you". The Americans have something that reads "We the people...". Sometimes I think that we forgot who holds the true power in all the countries of the world. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
Sometimes I think that we forgot who holds the true power in all the countries of the world. It is shocking how people differ on this. Even my brother and I disagree. Me: "The government exists to serve the people." Brother: "The people serve the government." Floored me when he admitted that. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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LOL, it was a tounge in cheek statement. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
Tim Smith wrote: LOL, it was a tounge in cheek statement. Thought so, but I was trying to grow up, be mature and stop posting bullshit messages in the forum... :rolleyes:
Paul Watson
BlueGrassGroup.com
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LOL, it was a tounge in cheek statement. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
Tim Smith wrote: LOL, it was a tounge in cheek statement :-O You need to be more explicit. Americans like their comedy in slapstick form, you know...:laugh::-O -- Russell Morris "Have you gone mad Frink? Put down that science pole!"
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Sometimes I think that we forgot who holds the true power in all the countries of the world. It is shocking how people differ on this. Even my brother and I disagree. Me: "The government exists to serve the people." Brother: "The people serve the government." Floored me when he admitted that. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
Tim Smith wrote: Floored me when he admitted that. It is a scary thing when people think like that. It makes you wonder how far governments could go before people started to take notice. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
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Brian Azzopardi wrote: I'm not going to say anything about American stupidity because it defies belief :wtf::confused: Your absolutely right - the world should wait until Saddam succeeds in making a nuke before we do anything about him. Brian - if you stand up straight the popping sound you here is your head coming out of your ass. Dave Huff Igor would you give me a hand with the bags? Certainly - you take the blonde and I'll take the one in the turban!
Dave Huff wrote: you stand up straight the popping sound you here is your head coming out of your ass Nope. That was Dubya Bush :) Dave - get an education. Read some history will ya and make some sense. Dave Huff wrote: world should wait until Saddam succeeds in making a nuke The "world" has to do something about Saddam's nukes because the "world" let the situation come to this point. Infact the "world" is America. Don't you Americans understand how much arabs hate you? They really, really do. And for a bloody good reason: your policy in the middle-east is crap. There are some reasons Arabs hate you: - American military personnel on Arab holy soil. Would you like me to piss against the Lincoln Memorial. No? Neither do the arabs. - Overt american support towards Israel. This is one of the worst blunders. Ever. - America is percieved as being an imperialistic power which threatens the local culture and, worse, undermine the local regime. Even more worse, sometimes America support unpopular regimes on the basis of "he's a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch". - American hypocrisy. If america loves democracy so much why does it support corrupt/undemocratic regimes. Pakistan's Musharraf (the one Bush didnt know his name) is suddenly a friend of the US. Why is it America which is being fired at and not Japan or Switzerland or any other country? Please stop and engage your brain before opening your mouth. Brian Azzopardi bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur
[eat, drink, for tomorrow we die]
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Dave Huff wrote: you stand up straight the popping sound you here is your head coming out of your ass Nope. That was Dubya Bush :) Dave - get an education. Read some history will ya and make some sense. Dave Huff wrote: world should wait until Saddam succeeds in making a nuke The "world" has to do something about Saddam's nukes because the "world" let the situation come to this point. Infact the "world" is America. Don't you Americans understand how much arabs hate you? They really, really do. And for a bloody good reason: your policy in the middle-east is crap. There are some reasons Arabs hate you: - American military personnel on Arab holy soil. Would you like me to piss against the Lincoln Memorial. No? Neither do the arabs. - Overt american support towards Israel. This is one of the worst blunders. Ever. - America is percieved as being an imperialistic power which threatens the local culture and, worse, undermine the local regime. Even more worse, sometimes America support unpopular regimes on the basis of "he's a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch". - American hypocrisy. If america loves democracy so much why does it support corrupt/undemocratic regimes. Pakistan's Musharraf (the one Bush didnt know his name) is suddenly a friend of the US. Why is it America which is being fired at and not Japan or Switzerland or any other country? Please stop and engage your brain before opening your mouth. Brian Azzopardi bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur
[eat, drink, for tomorrow we die]
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"When the only tool you have is a hammer, a sore thumb you will have."