Oh oh.
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Yeah, I received it too. What's with the above Gmail account info, though?
Cheers, Vıkram.
Carpe Diem.
It's like a drop box that we can all access to send things to each other particularly if your email account disallows attachments over a certain size.
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I rather suspect that if America does default in any way on any of its commitments then the fears of the ruling Chinese Government might come true - namely - social instability. They are worried that a slip in annual growth slips below 8% could be the trigger. Perhaps the experiment of capitalist financials and communist politicals could result in a head-on clash and a possible blood bath could result. That could have the side effect of overflowing to other areas where China is either a controlling or moderating force such as North Korea.
If China wants war to divert its people's attention, India may probably be the first target. China continues to occupy Aksai Chin and Chumbi valley, and claims Arunachal Pradesh as its own territory. It also heavily influences three other countries India shares a border with: Pakistan, Nepal, Burma. Or China and Pakistan could do it together. Pakistan itself is going through internal strife, though the primary cause is not the economy there.
Cheers, Vıkram.
Carpe Diem.
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It's like a drop box that we can all access to send things to each other particularly if your email account disallows attachments over a certain size.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
I do not doubt economic warfare
I think that's already been going on. (As I am sure, do you.) But I think they've made the same mistake so much of the world has of assuming that the American financial engine was all powerful. They have, as you indicate, been attempting to gain a stranglehold on the US by buying up all its debt. And it certainly has worked for at least the last 12 years. neither Clinton nor Bush have told their bankers, "no," re: anything that was important. Marx said that the capitalist will "sell us the rope we hang him with," but I doubt he ever conceived of a situation where the capitalist would send him the money to buy the farm to grow the hemp to make the rope, in return for shoes that don't fit, food that is poisoned, and cheap goods made by slaves. However, this recession/depression that we are going through has shown both sides that China is (again, as you said) extremely vulnerable to the US. Although everyone assures me that tariffs are terrible idea, the effective tariffs that the US population has erected against China by simply refusing to buy their goods, have set her up for a peasant revolution - ironic when you think that they are, nominally at least, a communist country. It may or may not come to a shooting war but I note that we are now guarding our spy ships with a destroyer. What happens if that turns into a carrier group? What happens if the US goes after Pakistan which is probably more of China's ally that they have ever been the US's? What happens if the US gets sucked into the Mexican civil war? I have tried to understand what someeone like Larry Summers might be thinking when he signs off on these massive expenditres the US government is making. The only thing I can come up with is that he believes that we will inflate the money supply by so much that our debt will shrink to a fraction of what it presently is, in terms of buying power.
73Zeppelin wrote:
Hell of a thing to be dependent on other countries for energy and their willingness to buy government debt
Once upon a time it was rubber. Isn't there some axiom or other that deals with the idea that nations will always expand their use of easily obtained natural resources until they aren't?
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Oakman wrote:
What happens if the US goes after Pakistan which is probably more of China's ally that they have ever been the US's?
Probably? :suss:
Cheers, Vıkram.
Carpe Diem.
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If China wants war to divert its people's attention, India may probably be the first target. China continues to occupy Aksai Chin and Chumbi valley, and claims Arunachal Pradesh as its own territory. It also heavily influences three other countries India shares a border with: Pakistan, Nepal, Burma. Or China and Pakistan could do it together. Pakistan itself is going through internal strife, though the primary cause is not the economy there.
Cheers, Vıkram.
Carpe Diem.
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Oakman wrote:
What happens if the US goes after Pakistan which is probably more of China's ally that they have ever been the US's?
Probably? :suss:
Cheers, Vıkram.
Carpe Diem.
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I was thinking more along the lines of Chinese internal strife rather than general war with any of its neighbours. But having said that, do you feel that China could turn openly hostile to India?
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
do you feel that China could turn openly hostile to India
Let's ask Tibet.
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India isn't like Tibet. India can pack a fair punch that might make Beijing think twice. The price might be a tad too high.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
India can pack a fair punch that might make Beijing think twice.
Agreed. But if we are discussing China getting into combat with the U.S., we cannot assume that she would blink at thge idea of taking on India.
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I was thinking more along the lines of Chinese internal strife rather than general war with any of its neighbours. But having said that, do you feel that China could turn openly hostile to India?
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
With e-mail accounts you can't access them without a password
Hey, what is this, Internet 101? :) I was thinking more along the lines of sharing it privately amongst a small group, to prevent abuse. But yeah, there are disadvantages with approach too. Just my 1 cent (due to the recession ;) ).
Cheers, Vıkram.
Carpe Diem.
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
With e-mail accounts you can't access them without a password
Hey, what is this, Internet 101? :) I was thinking more along the lines of sharing it privately amongst a small group, to prevent abuse. But yeah, there are disadvantages with approach too. Just my 1 cent (due to the recession ;) ).
Cheers, Vıkram.
Carpe Diem.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Hey, what is this, Internet 101?
Sorry :-O As soon as Maunder fixes the e-mail link there would probably be a reduced need for such an external account. Anyhow, given a day or two this thread will be almost out-of-site and forgotten.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Hey, what is this, Internet 101?
Sorry :-O As soon as Maunder fixes the e-mail link there would probably be a reduced need for such an external account. Anyhow, given a day or two this thread will be almost out-of-site and forgotten.
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
As soon as Maunder fixes the e-mail link
Ok I was following along fine until I got to that, what am I missing?
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China's premier worried for U.S. investments[^] "Beijing has high expectations for U.S. President Barack Obama's economic recovery strategy, but worries remain about the safety of China's assets in the United States, Premier Wen Jiabao said on Friday." What's next? China dumping US t-bills?
73Zeppelin wrote:
What's next? China dumping US t-bills?
Well, there was some wild-ass conspiracy-mongering speculation recently that part of the deal Mrs Clinton was in China to conduct involved giving the Chinese government "rights" to eminent domain in the US. Crazy, I know ... I mean, who could ever even imagine that Democrats might ever seek to compromise the sovereignty of the People of the US?
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
India can pack a fair punch that might make Beijing think twice.
Agreed. But if we are discussing China getting into combat with the U.S., we cannot assume that she would blink at thge idea of taking on India.
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Oakman wrote:
China getting into combat with the U.S.
Not sure if China would want that as they would be most likely to come off second best. And the people of California wouldn't need to wonder when the big one would strike as it might no longer exist.
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China's premier worried for U.S. investments[^] "Beijing has high expectations for U.S. President Barack Obama's economic recovery strategy, but worries remain about the safety of China's assets in the United States, Premier Wen Jiabao said on Friday." What's next? China dumping US t-bills?
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I think from all that I read China has been preparing for a non-traditional "war" where they exercise greater influence over not just economics, but also cyberspace. By controlling those 2 areas, they could become the next "world's only superpower".
fred_ wrote:
By controlling those 2 areas, they could become the next "world's only superpower".
Throw in space itself and they've got a lock. China's space program is ramping up, just as the US program goes onto hiatus (After next year, we'll be renting space on the Russian program until and unless Orion bears fruit - something Obama has already indicated he thinks should be postponed.) I strongly suspect that President Hu and Premier Wen know very well that when engaged in a rock fight, it's better to be at the top of the well than standing at the bottom.
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