Oil -- EVIL; Nucular -- EVILER; Solar -- SAINTLY ... just NIMBY

Lost User

Ilíon wrote:

"liberals" shooting down their own panaceas.

Er. Environmentalists are conservatives, they seek to preserve the existing order.

Bob Emmett

Oakman

Christian Graus wrote:

That doesn't mean he's lying

But there is a form of lying that require nothing more than a careful selection and rearrangement of, the facts. I admire Rolling Stone but whenever I read a piece that seems to paint too dark - or too light -- a picture, I tend to what to find out more for myself before assuming I know everything I need to know - that is especially true when I think the article is reinforcing my biases or prejudices.

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Lost User

Bob Emmett wrote:

Government compensation or compulsion ...

At least the Americans don't have to worry about complying with EU directives [^]

Oakman

Bob Emmett wrote:

Government compensation or compulsion may be necessary to ensure that best practice is adhered to.

As I pointed out above, "best practice" is open to interpretation. It would appear likely that if our present congress is any guide making large donations to the party in power may be "best practice."

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Mike Gaskey

Stan Shannon wrote:

I've been very much surprised by him so far. I have always felt he was a leftist at heart, but I honestly thought that he would be cautious politically but at least efficient in his leadershipo. So far he has been neither.

he is exactly what he appeared to be during the campaign.

Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

Rob Graham

Richard A. Abbott wrote:

At least the Americans don't have to worry about complying with EU directives [^]

That's on next years agenda for Obama, Pelosi, Reid & Co.

Lost User

Oakman wrote:

making large donations to the party in power may be "best practice."

Far more likely than the "best practice" arising from the disinterested analysis I had in mind. :sigh:

Bob Emmett

Lost User

Richard A. Abbott wrote:

At least the Americans don't have to worry about complying with EU directives

The directives are not all bad. Certainly the construction and management of landfill sites in the UK has improved since the directive. However statements like: "As costs of waste disposal at landfill rise and operators pass on the costs of meeting the requirement to producers - then there will be an increased incentive for those producers to reduce those costs by minimising the amount of waste they produce or recycling or re-using that which they do.", show a complete disregard of the propensity of companies to find cheaper (illegal) alternatives. But that's DEFRA not the EU.

Bob Emmett

Gary Kirkham

No surprises with me either. I guess some were expecting Bill Clinton II. Things will get much worse, but then these are the signs of the times. From a religious point of view, I am more and more convinced that Christ's return is imminent.

Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read

Oakman

Gary Kirkham wrote:

From a religious point of view, I am more and more convinced that ever that Christ's return is imminent.

But isn't He supposed to return only after the antiChrist has revealed Himself? You're not saying that Son of the Father of Lies walks among us now, are you? . . . Wait - that's what Troy called me! :omg:

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Ilion

Mike Gaskey wrote:

he is exactly what he appeared to be during the campaign.

I agree -- he is someone who does not love America and despises its traditions; (and, regardless of where he was actually born) does not in his heart-of-hearts consider himself to be an American, and considers himself better than "the average" American. He's a leftist.

Ilion

Bob Emmett wrote:

Ilíon: ..."liberals" shooting down their own panaceas. Bob Emmett: Er. Environmentalists are conservatives, they seek to preserve the existing order.

What a stultifyingly "liberal" expression of ignorance.

Oakman

Ilíon wrote:

He's a leftist.

Don't you consider Ayn Rand to be a leftist?

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Ilion

Christian Graus wrote:

I guess that means that it makes sense to you, but not enough for you to be willing to explain it.

We both know that you made little to no effort to understand. I speculate that that is because you're "liberal" -- you imagine that cost and benefit analysis is "immoral."

Ilion

Bob Emmett wrote:

Ilíon: ... governmental bribes and compulsion ... Bob Emmett: If the preferred method of waste processing gives rise to an additional cost to a company, the company will naturally seek to avoid that cost. Government compensation or compulsion may be necessary to ensure that best practice is adhered to.

Preferred ... by whom? And why? If it is "best practice" then why does it always seem to need to be compelled? You've attempted to change the subject.

Mike Gaskey

Oakman wrote:

isn't He supposed to return only after the antiChrist has revealed Himself?

November, 2008 Last week on Leno and again this Tuesday night Pay attention!

Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

Oakman

Mike Gaskey wrote:

Pay attention!

Oh you silly! He's not the antiChrist. At least not until he appears on "Countdown with Keith Olbernut"

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Gary Kirkham

Hmmm...do you have any strange numbers stamped on your forehead?

Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read

Oakman

Gary Kirkham wrote:

Hmmm...do you have any strange numbers stamped on your forehead?

Nope, but when I lived in New Jersey I had P.O. Box 666. (really)

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Lost User

Ilíon wrote:

What a stultifyingly "liberal" expression of ignorance.

Not at all. Environmentalists wish to conserve (or restore) the natural environment. They are conservatives. This desire to conserve may bring them into conflict with government and business. For example: protesting against a stretch of highway that will eradicate the habitat of the Great Crested Newt (Triturus cristatus). As the government and the contractor have the law on their side, so some form of obstructive protest may take place. This might be termed a "liberal" political activity (especially in the USA), as they feel themselves not to be bound by the conventions of democratic government. Thus a person may be both a conservative and a liberal.

Bob Emmett