Oil -- EVIL; Nucular -- EVILER; Solar -- SAINTLY ... just NIMBY

Gary Kirkham

No surprises with me either. I guess some were expecting Bill Clinton II. Things will get much worse, but then these are the signs of the times. From a religious point of view, I am more and more convinced that Christ's return is imminent.

Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read

Oakman

Gary Kirkham wrote:

From a religious point of view, I am more and more convinced that ever that Christ's return is imminent.

But isn't He supposed to return only after the antiChrist has revealed Himself? You're not saying that Son of the Father of Lies walks among us now, are you? . . . Wait - that's what Troy called me! :omg:

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Ilion

Mike Gaskey wrote:

he is exactly what he appeared to be during the campaign.

I agree -- he is someone who does not love America and despises its traditions; (and, regardless of where he was actually born) does not in his heart-of-hearts consider himself to be an American, and considers himself better than "the average" American. He's a leftist.

Ilion

Bob Emmett wrote:

Ilíon: ..."liberals" shooting down their own panaceas. Bob Emmett: Er. Environmentalists are conservatives, they seek to preserve the existing order.

What a stultifyingly "liberal" expression of ignorance.

Oakman

Ilíon wrote:

He's a leftist.

Don't you consider Ayn Rand to be a leftist?

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Ilion

Christian Graus wrote:

I guess that means that it makes sense to you, but not enough for you to be willing to explain it.

We both know that you made little to no effort to understand. I speculate that that is because you're "liberal" -- you imagine that cost and benefit analysis is "immoral."

Ilion

Bob Emmett wrote:

Ilíon: ... governmental bribes and compulsion ... Bob Emmett: If the preferred method of waste processing gives rise to an additional cost to a company, the company will naturally seek to avoid that cost. Government compensation or compulsion may be necessary to ensure that best practice is adhered to.

Preferred ... by whom? And why? If it is "best practice" then why does it always seem to need to be compelled? You've attempted to change the subject.

Mike Gaskey

Oakman wrote:

isn't He supposed to return only after the antiChrist has revealed Himself?

November, 2008 Last week on Leno and again this Tuesday night Pay attention!

Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

Oakman

Mike Gaskey wrote:

Pay attention!

Oh you silly! He's not the antiChrist. At least not until he appears on "Countdown with Keith Olbernut"

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Gary Kirkham

Hmmm...do you have any strange numbers stamped on your forehead?

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Oakman

Gary Kirkham wrote:

Hmmm...do you have any strange numbers stamped on your forehead?

Nope, but when I lived in New Jersey I had P.O. Box 666. (really)

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Lost User

Ilíon wrote:

What a stultifyingly "liberal" expression of ignorance.

Not at all. Environmentalists wish to conserve (or restore) the natural environment. They are conservatives. This desire to conserve may bring them into conflict with government and business. For example: protesting against a stretch of highway that will eradicate the habitat of the Great Crested Newt (Triturus cristatus). As the government and the contractor have the law on their side, so some form of obstructive protest may take place. This might be termed a "liberal" political activity (especially in the USA), as they feel themselves not to be bound by the conventions of democratic government. Thus a person may be both a conservative and a liberal.

Bob Emmett

Stan Shannon

Mike Gaskey wrote:

he is exactly what he appeared to be during the campaign.

ANd that is sort of what surprises me. I honestly thought the man would try to position himself as a centrist and let congress take the lead in moving the country to the left. Instead, if any thing, he is trying to out-compete them in doing so.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Lost User

Ilíon wrote:

Preferred ... by whom? And why?

Best practice: A disinterested analysis of where it is preferable to incinerate, land-fill, or recycle on economic/environmental grounds.

Ilíon wrote:

If it is "best practice" then why does it always seem to need to be compelled?

Because best practice may give rise to an additional cost to a company. (Public Health considerations may outweigh those of cost, say.) Naturally, the company will seek to avoid that cost by continuing its current practices. Thus legislation or compensation.

Bob Emmett