GeForce2 and GeForce4
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Geforce 2 is so ancient these days that I've seen folks practically give these away. Don't buy anything less than something based on Geforce 3 or 4 (Stick with 4 if you can) The whole idea behind the MX series of chips is essentially taking the normal Geforce core and castrating it to make a 'value' series of thip. For instance, they diable half the pipelines, give it a substatially lower clock and use slower RAM. Are they good cards, well...Decent may be a better term. They are not performance cards. If all you're gonna do is write non-multimedia, non-DirectX based stuff on it, its probably adequate. However, if you like to play graphic intensive games (which basically is any game currently on the market these days) then an MX series will be slow, laggy and you'll have to cut detail and options to the minimum. The Ti (Titanium) series of cards is the big brother to MX. And these are the thoroughbred cards. They can be pricy if you go top of the line but you get a card that iwll fill the need for a couple years. As an interesting side note, Nvidia isn't king anymore. About 3 or 4 weeks ago the new ATI card was benchmarked and beat the current Ti 4600 chipset in every category. Nvidia's roadmap only has a clockspeed boost scheduled for the 4600 series this year with nothing seriously new till sometime Q1 of next year. The speculation is that the clockspeed boost will not be significant enough to beat the ATI 9700 Pro significantly and that the video card market may see a fall in prices as Nvidia based cards are cut to attempt to keep focus on them and not the new ATI cards that are hitting the market. Basiclly it's a wait and see market right now. I'm in the market for a new videocard myself but I'm holding out till November in hopes the price cutting will have begun. Some good review sites to visit are www.tomshardware.com[^] Great, independent professional reviews on all things hardware. www.sharkyextreme.com[^] Not bad hardware reviews if you can tollerate a bit of gamer spin on things. Mark
Mark Conger wrote: However, if you like to play graphic intensive games (which basically is any game currently on the market these days) then an MX series will be slow, laggy and you'll have to cut detail and options to the minimum. Not true. I have been running both Warcraft 3 and NeverWinter Nights at a higher than standard resolution. They are both pretty new games. I suspect I'll have to upgrade for DNF, and I will have to upgrade for Doom3. No other games have required it. I'm running a 1.2GHz AMD with 512MB DDR RAM and (now) a 60GB 7200RPM drive for your reference.
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I have a Geforce2 MX, and I'm very happy with it. Nice 2d output in high resolutions. Good 3D quality / speed in games like GP4 and neverwinter nights. And nice tv-out to watch DVD movies on my tv. GF2 might be a little out of date now, but will do the job for most things (don't know about those Doom 451 games). Of course, if you've got money galore, buy a Geforce 4 Ti 4200. Pobably the best card that's out there for the moment... New and improved: kwakkelflap.com "When I hear of Schrödinger's cat, I reach for my gun." - Stephen Hawking
Kwakkie wrote: neverwinter nights Hmmm... that´s what I wanted to know... thanks :) Mauricio Ritter - Brazil Sonorking now: 100.13560 MRitter :jig: I've gone sending to outer space, to find another race :jig:
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This is great news. Make nVidia work for it!!!! nVidia is a perfect example of an upstart company taking over a market dominated by another. They cleaned 3dfx's clock. The sad part is, 3dfx did most of it to themselves. With nVidia having such competition with ATI, it is a win-win for the consumer. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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This is great news. Make nVidia work for it!!!! nVidia is a perfect example of an upstart company taking over a market dominated by another. They cleaned 3dfx's clock. The sad part is, 3dfx did most of it to themselves. With nVidia having such competition with ATI, it is a win-win for the consumer. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
Tim Smith wrote: With nVidia having such competition with ATI, it is a win-win for the consumer. Without a question , with this kind of competition , the consumer only wins :-) Cheers, Joao Vaz A Programming Language is a tool that has profound influence on our thinking habits -The late giant Edsger Dijkstra 1930 - 2002 And if your dream is to care for your family, to put food on the table, to provide them with an education and a good home, then maybe suffering through an endless, pointless, boring job will seem to have purpose. And you will realize how even a rock can change the world, simply by remaining obstinately stationary. -
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Very true. I tend to play RTS games more than FPS. However Deus Ex played magnificently, and AvP2 also played well. The current games I have been playing are Warcraft3 and NeverWinter Nights. Both play really well. I suspect I'll have to upgrade for Doom 3, and Duke Nukem Forever after it stops taking forever to make (it's been five or six years now.) I'll cross that bridge... There has been some talk that computer graphics will start to be limited by the speed of the CPU sometime soon. The theory is that the graphics cards are getting so fast that they are outrunning the CPU and are being bottlenecked by it. When that happens we'll need to buy all the latest hardware to play Doom 6.
Londo wrote: NeverWinter Nights Nice to hear this, when I have time available , I think I'll try it out :-) Londo wrote: There has been some talk that computer graphics will start to be limited by the speed of the CPU sometime soon. The theory is that the graphics cards are getting so fast that they are outrunning the CPU and are being bottlenecked by it. I've heard this too :~ Londo wrote: When that happens we'll need to buy all the latest hardware to play Doom 6. LOL :-D Cheers, Joao Vaz A Programming Language is a tool that has profound influence on our thinking habits -The late giant Edsger Dijkstra 1930 - 2002 And if your dream is to care for your family, to put food on the table, to provide them with an education and a good home, then maybe suffering through an endless, pointless, boring job will seem to have purpose. And you will realize how even a rock can change the world, simply by remaining obstinately stationary. -
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Kwakkie wrote: neverwinter nights Hmmm... that´s what I wanted to know... thanks :) Mauricio Ritter - Brazil Sonorking now: 100.13560 MRitter :jig: I've gone sending to outer space, to find another race :jig:
Mauricio Ritter wrote: neverwinter nights Hmmm... that´s what I wanted to know... thanks You game freak :rolleyes: Cheers,Joao Vaz A Programming Language is a tool that has profound influence on our thinking habits -The late giant Edsger Dijkstra 1930 - 2002 And if your dream is to care for your family, to put food on the table, to provide them with an education and a good home, then maybe suffering through an endless, pointless, boring job will seem to have purpose. And you will realize how even a rock can change the world, simply by remaining obstinately stationary. - Shog9
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What is the difference between GeForce2 and GeForce4 ? Is one MUCH faster than the other ? I´m probably buying a GeForce MX something today... but I need to know the differences between than. Can anyone can point me a benchmark site or something about these video cards? Mauricio Ritter - Brazil Sonorking now: 100.13560 MRitter :jig: I've gone sending to outer space, to find another race :jig:
:omg::wtf:For the dear love of God DO NOT buy a GF4mx. It is nothing but a renamed GF2. I repeat - Do not buy it. Buy a GF3 instead or if u really can't afford it buy a GF2. Atleast it costs less than a crapp GF4MX and is just as fast. :mad:Nvidia really f**ked up on the GF4mx and GF4Go - they set back the market another couple of years. F**king marketing/accounting department:mad: Brian Azzopardi bibamus, edamus, cras moriemur
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Mauricio Ritter wrote: neverwinter nights Hmmm... that´s what I wanted to know... thanks You game freak :rolleyes: Cheers,Joao Vaz A Programming Language is a tool that has profound influence on our thinking habits -The late giant Edsger Dijkstra 1930 - 2002 And if your dream is to care for your family, to put food on the table, to provide them with an education and a good home, then maybe suffering through an endless, pointless, boring job will seem to have purpose. And you will realize how even a rock can change the world, simply by remaining obstinately stationary. - Shog9
Joao Vaz wrote: You game freak ;P ;P Actually I hope it improves my 3dsMax performance too... Mauricio Ritter - Brazil Sonorking now: 100.13560 MRitter :jig: I've gone sending to outer space, to find another race :jig:
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Londo wrote: NeverWinter Nights Nice to hear this, when I have time available , I think I'll try it out :-) Londo wrote: There has been some talk that computer graphics will start to be limited by the speed of the CPU sometime soon. The theory is that the graphics cards are getting so fast that they are outrunning the CPU and are being bottlenecked by it. I've heard this too :~ Londo wrote: When that happens we'll need to buy all the latest hardware to play Doom 6. LOL :-D Cheers, Joao Vaz A Programming Language is a tool that has profound influence on our thinking habits -The late giant Edsger Dijkstra 1930 - 2002 And if your dream is to care for your family, to put food on the table, to provide them with an education and a good home, then maybe suffering through an endless, pointless, boring job will seem to have purpose. And you will realize how even a rock can change the world, simply by remaining obstinately stationary. -
Joao Vaz wrote: Nice to hear this, when I have time available , I think I'll try it out You should try Neverwinter... its pretty cool... just bought it yeasterday Mauricio Ritter - Brazil Sonorking now: 100.13560 MRitter :jig: I've gone sending to outer space, to find another race :jig:
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Mark Conger wrote: However, if you like to play graphic intensive games (which basically is any game currently on the market these days) then an MX series will be slow, laggy and you'll have to cut detail and options to the minimum. Not true. I have been running both Warcraft 3 and NeverWinter Nights at a higher than standard resolution. They are both pretty new games. I suspect I'll have to upgrade for DNF, and I will have to upgrade for Doom3. No other games have required it. I'm running a 1.2GHz AMD with 512MB DDR RAM and (now) a 60GB 7200RPM drive for your reference.
Warcraft and NWN has nice graphics but to me they are only a enhanced itteration of a previous engine. The graphics engine in NWN for instance is supposed to be a complete rewrite but it shows alot of the aspects of the original Infinity engine that Baldur's gate Series was based on. I haven't looked in detail at the options in NWN, but I'm not sure NWN uses T&L either which is what will really stress the Geforce Cards. When I say graphics intensive, I'm talking stuff that's starting to show up in things like Asheron's Call 2 or SW Galaxies for instance. Maybe I'm spoiled, but when I'm looking at water, i wanta see my reflection in the waves and have it distort it if I toss a rock in it :) I'm not saying an MX won't work but there are plenty of benchmarks out there that show that the MX *WILL* bog down when you really push the detail and polygon count or activate things like intense T&L. This can be mitigated by running the app (game) at a lower resolution as you mentioned. For me, and this is my opinion, I prefer not to be looking at a game in 640x480 modes that look like they were setup for my grandma when she goes blind ;) For those looking for a card, a quick tour of the pricing sites found plenty of Geforce Ti 4600 based card down arround the $170-190 range.
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Certainly the GF4 Ti4200 is a great piece of hardware. Joao Vaz wrote: Don't buy it . MX is synonym of piece of crap. Buy a Geforce 4 Ti 4200. I've heard this before and I don't really understand it. I have a GF2 MX. I have no problems with it, and it runs everything that I have, at the resolutions that I am happy with. If you are on a budget, it's not a bad alternative. If you want to run Doom 3 though... well then I believe you are going to need a GF3 or better. To get the most out of the game you'll need a Ti4200 or better.
Whilst the GeForce4MX in itself isn't a bad card, it's less powerful and more expensive than a top of the range GeForce3 - which is why it gets called bad things. The GF2MX was a great budget card -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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Joao Vaz wrote: You game freak ;P ;P Actually I hope it improves my 3dsMax performance too... Mauricio Ritter - Brazil Sonorking now: 100.13560 MRitter :jig: I've gone sending to outer space, to find another race :jig:
Mauricio Ritter wrote: Actually I hope it improves my 3dsMax performance too... It improves ,but if you can wait some more time I advise you to buy a 3 or a 4 without mx. My brother this year had finnished his Industrial Design degree , and he works a lot on graphic applications and he says that GF4 is much better to accelerate 3dsMax. Also, If I'm not wrong he says that enabling OpenGL acceleration on 3dsMax instead of Direct3d is faster on making the frame animation (or is the opposite :confused: ) Cheers,Joao Vaz And if your dream is to care for your family, to put food on the table, to provide them with an education and a good home, then maybe suffering through an endless, pointless, boring job will seem to have purpose. And you will realize how even a rock can change the world, simply by remaining obstinately stationary.-Shog9
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Joao Vaz wrote: Nice to hear this, when I have time available , I think I'll try it out You should try Neverwinter... its pretty cool... just bought it yeasterday Mauricio Ritter - Brazil Sonorking now: 100.13560 MRitter :jig: I've gone sending to outer space, to find another race :jig:
Mauricio Ritter wrote: You should try Neverwinter... its pretty cool... Many people said is the best RPG game , but others that played Dungeon Siege said that is better than Neverwinter , oh well the normal RPG preferences ... Cheers,Joao Vaz And if your dream is to care for your family, to put food on the table, to provide them with an education and a good home, then maybe suffering through an endless, pointless, boring job will seem to have purpose. And you will realize how even a rock can change the world, simply by remaining obstinately stationary.-Shog9
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Mauricio Ritter wrote: You should try Neverwinter... its pretty cool... Many people said is the best RPG game , but others that played Dungeon Siege said that is better than Neverwinter , oh well the normal RPG preferences ... Cheers,Joao Vaz And if your dream is to care for your family, to put food on the table, to provide them with an education and a good home, then maybe suffering through an endless, pointless, boring job will seem to have purpose. And you will realize how even a rock can change the world, simply by remaining obstinately stationary.-Shog9
Joao Vaz wrote: Many people said is the best RPG game , but others that played Dungeon Siege said that is better than Neverwinter But Dungeon Siege isn't an RPG game. Or I must have missed the role playing element between all the action and hack&slash. New and improved: kwakkelflap.com "When I hear of Schrödinger's cat, I reach for my gun." - Stephen Hawking
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Joao Vaz wrote: Many people said is the best RPG game , but others that played Dungeon Siege said that is better than Neverwinter But Dungeon Siege isn't an RPG game. Or I must have missed the role playing element between all the action and hack&slash. New and improved: kwakkelflap.com "When I hear of Schrödinger's cat, I reach for my gun." - Stephen Hawking
Kwakkie wrote: But Dungeon Siege isn't an RPG game. Or I must have missed the role playing element between all the action and hack&slash. I know that Dungeon Siege is like Diablo 2 , but they are considered nevertheless RPG games ... Cheers,Joao Vaz And if your dream is to care for your family, to put food on the table, to provide them with an education and a good home, then maybe suffering through an endless, pointless, boring job will seem to have purpose. And you will realize how even a rock can change the world, simply by remaining obstinately stationary.-Shog9
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Mauricio Ritter wrote: You should try Neverwinter... its pretty cool... Many people said is the best RPG game , but others that played Dungeon Siege said that is better than Neverwinter , oh well the normal RPG preferences ... Cheers,Joao Vaz And if your dream is to care for your family, to put food on the table, to provide them with an education and a good home, then maybe suffering through an endless, pointless, boring job will seem to have purpose. And you will realize how even a rock can change the world, simply by remaining obstinately stationary.-Shog9
IMHO, DS has very little depth at all and the editing tool stink. NWN has poor depth too, but the editing tools and richness of the ruleset make it much better IMHO. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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IMHO, DS has very little depth at all and the editing tool stink. NWN has poor depth too, but the editing tools and richness of the ruleset make it much better IMHO. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
Tim Smith wrote: IMHO, DS has very little depth at all and the editing tool stink. Tim Smith wrote: NWN has poor depth too This a known problem within RPGs, it's a pitty that the game companies don't bet their money on better plots and histories. It's a shame that Graphics are too advanced to week plots ... Tim Smith wrote: but the editing tools and richness of the ruleset make it much better IMHO. Yeah. It appears so !!! The aurora toolset (that I never saw) is making a huge success , mod after mod in little time !!! Cheers,Joao Vaz And if your dream is to care for your family, to put food on the table, to provide them with an education and a good home, then maybe suffering through an endless, pointless, boring job will seem to have purpose. And you will realize how even a rock can change the world, simply by remaining obstinately stationary.-Shog9
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This is great news. Make nVidia work for it!!!! nVidia is a perfect example of an upstart company taking over a market dominated by another. They cleaned 3dfx's clock. The sad part is, 3dfx did most of it to themselves. With nVidia having such competition with ATI, it is a win-win for the consumer. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
Tim Smith wrote: win-win for the consumer I agree. When there is only one company, they can make whatever they want and sell it for any price they choose, but two companies force each other to make better products. Now if only there was a similar competitive synergy in the computer operating system market.... _____________________ "So in the interests of survival, they trained themselves to be agreeing machines instead of thinking machines. All their minds had to do was to discover what other people were thinking, and then they thought that, too." Breakfast of Champions, Kurt Vonnegut