Is IE8 the Vista of web browsers?
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There's a site I visit via ssl that apparently has both secure and non secure content being displayed. I know this because IE8 throws a message box in my face each and every time I visit warning me of this. Yeah. I get it. They're trying to help me make my browsing more secure (or at least promote a little plausible deniability). However, this is a site I trust, so I'd like to disable this annoying warning. Either for this site or for good. But neither option appears to exist. I simply have to live with MS doing the Will Robinson thing each and every time I go there. Is this the new Vista like way of doing things? Annoy the crap out of your users for their own good, without giving us any way of controlling the experience. Why does UAC come to mind? Of course, ultimately the solution was simple. I just use Firefox for that site. These guys really live in their own little world, don't they?
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
I have been dual booting to Windows 7 for a while now on my development machine and I've used IE8 quite a lot. It seems like every 3rd website needs "Compatibility View" turned on to display correctly in IE8. Are they seriously thinking everyone is going jump at it to fix their sites for IE8? How about fixing your browser to work right out of the box with every site!
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There's a site I visit via ssl that apparently has both secure and non secure content being displayed. I know this because IE8 throws a message box in my face each and every time I visit warning me of this. Yeah. I get it. They're trying to help me make my browsing more secure (or at least promote a little plausible deniability). However, this is a site I trust, so I'd like to disable this annoying warning. Either for this site or for good. But neither option appears to exist. I simply have to live with MS doing the Will Robinson thing each and every time I go there. Is this the new Vista like way of doing things? Annoy the crap out of your users for their own good, without giving us any way of controlling the experience. Why does UAC come to mind? Of course, ultimately the solution was simple. I just use Firefox for that site. These guys really live in their own little world, don't they?
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
Chrome does not do that. ;P Jokes apart you can change that behavior in the security settings for the internet zone. As shown in the image below: IEProb.JPG (48.3 KB)
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There's a site I visit via ssl that apparently has both secure and non secure content being displayed. I know this because IE8 throws a message box in my face each and every time I visit warning me of this. Yeah. I get it. They're trying to help me make my browsing more secure (or at least promote a little plausible deniability). However, this is a site I trust, so I'd like to disable this annoying warning. Either for this site or for good. But neither option appears to exist. I simply have to live with MS doing the Will Robinson thing each and every time I go there. Is this the new Vista like way of doing things? Annoy the crap out of your users for their own good, without giving us any way of controlling the experience. Why does UAC come to mind? Of course, ultimately the solution was simple. I just use Firefox for that site. These guys really live in their own little world, don't they?
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
This was in IE6 and 7 as well (if I remember rightly). Now follow carefully: 1. Find the Tools menu. I'll go grab a coffee while you're looking for it. 2. Select Internet Options 3. Hit the 'Security' tab 4. Select the 'Custom level...' 5. Scroll down the list until you find the 'Miscellaneous' section 6. If you are brave and promise not to sue me if it causes The End Of The World For Your Computer, then find the 'Display Mixed Content' and select 'Enable'. 7. Hit 'OK' about 37 times. Now give it a try. People think IE is a bloated mess with confusing and hard to find settings. I think that's harsh and uncalled for.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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I have been dual booting to Windows 7 for a while now on my development machine and I've used IE8 quite a lot. It seems like every 3rd website needs "Compatibility View" turned on to display correctly in IE8. Are they seriously thinking everyone is going jump at it to fix their sites for IE8? How about fixing your browser to work right out of the box with every site!
Damir Valiulin wrote:
Are they seriously thinking everyone is going jump at it to fix their sites for IE8? How about fixing your browser to work right out of the box with every site!
While I certainly agree with you in principle, i.e. just make the darned thing work, my understanding (which could be seriously flawed) is that IE has never been particularly standards compliant like Firefox & others, and thus developers have had to hack their sites here and there to play nice with the non standard aspects of IE. I think IE8 is supposed to lean more in the direction of standards, which of course would break the previous hacks we had to do. Basically, either way you go, you're kinda screwed.
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
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Chrome does not do that. ;P Jokes apart you can change that behavior in the security settings for the internet zone. As shown in the image below: IEProb.JPG (48.3 KB)
Thanks!
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
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This was in IE6 and 7 as well (if I remember rightly). Now follow carefully: 1. Find the Tools menu. I'll go grab a coffee while you're looking for it. 2. Select Internet Options 3. Hit the 'Security' tab 4. Select the 'Custom level...' 5. Scroll down the list until you find the 'Miscellaneous' section 6. If you are brave and promise not to sue me if it causes The End Of The World For Your Computer, then find the 'Display Mixed Content' and select 'Enable'. 7. Hit 'OK' about 37 times. Now give it a try. People think IE is a bloated mess with confusing and hard to find settings. I think that's harsh and uncalled for.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Gosh, I feel so inadequate and stupid to have overlooked these options in such a well thought out and intuitive UI. Clearly, Microsoft intended their products to be used by a more intelligent class of creature than myself. Curiously, I never got this Will Robinson with either IE6 or 7. It's possible that I tweaked this setting in the past and in my traumatized state afterwards purged it from my memory. It's equally possible that the IE8 install decided to set things back to "where they should be" without telling me. I don't know which scenario I find more disturbing.
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
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There's a site I visit via ssl that apparently has both secure and non secure content being displayed. I know this because IE8 throws a message box in my face each and every time I visit warning me of this. Yeah. I get it. They're trying to help me make my browsing more secure (or at least promote a little plausible deniability). However, this is a site I trust, so I'd like to disable this annoying warning. Either for this site or for good. But neither option appears to exist. I simply have to live with MS doing the Will Robinson thing each and every time I go there. Is this the new Vista like way of doing things? Annoy the crap out of your users for their own good, without giving us any way of controlling the experience. Why does UAC come to mind? Of course, ultimately the solution was simple. I just use Firefox for that site. These guys really live in their own little world, don't they?
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
Christopher Duncan wrote:
I know this because IE8 throws....
Whoa there big fella! Weren't you the one dissing Chrome the other day and relegating it to VM testing only? And you chose to install and use IE8? Ouch! Who are you and what have you done with the radical, anti-establishment, take this suit and tie and shove it Chris Duncan we all know and love?
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
I know this because IE8 throws....
Whoa there big fella! Weren't you the one dissing Chrome the other day and relegating it to VM testing only? And you chose to install and use IE8? Ouch! Who are you and what have you done with the radical, anti-establishment, take this suit and tie and shove it Chris Duncan we all know and love?
:laugh: Sorry. I had a brief drug flashback. Remember, the 70s were very good to me. I'm all better now. [twitch] Honest.
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
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I have been dual booting to Windows 7 for a while now on my development machine and I've used IE8 quite a lot. It seems like every 3rd website needs "Compatibility View" turned on to display correctly in IE8. Are they seriously thinking everyone is going jump at it to fix their sites for IE8? How about fixing your browser to work right out of the box with every site!
Damir Valiulin wrote:
How about fixing your browser to work right out of the box with every site!
I may be missing something here, but isn't that what 'Compatability View' is doing?
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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Gosh, I feel so inadequate and stupid to have overlooked these options in such a well thought out and intuitive UI. Clearly, Microsoft intended their products to be used by a more intelligent class of creature than myself. Curiously, I never got this Will Robinson with either IE6 or 7. It's possible that I tweaked this setting in the past and in my traumatized state afterwards purged it from my memory. It's equally possible that the IE8 install decided to set things back to "where they should be" without telling me. I don't know which scenario I find more disturbing.
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
AFAI can tell, IE8 has 'helpfully' reset these options for us.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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This was in IE6 and 7 as well (if I remember rightly). Now follow carefully: 1. Find the Tools menu. I'll go grab a coffee while you're looking for it. 2. Select Internet Options 3. Hit the 'Security' tab 4. Select the 'Custom level...' 5. Scroll down the list until you find the 'Miscellaneous' section 6. If you are brave and promise not to sue me if it causes The End Of The World For Your Computer, then find the 'Display Mixed Content' and select 'Enable'. 7. Hit 'OK' about 37 times. Now give it a try. People think IE is a bloated mess with confusing and hard to find settings. I think that's harsh and uncalled for.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
People think IE is a bloated mess with confusing and hard to find settings. I think that's harsh and uncalled for
I think all those hard to find settings are uncalled for too.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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AFAI can tell, IE8 has 'helpfully' reset these options for us.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
:doh: Where's Alice from Dilbert when you need her?
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
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There's a site I visit via ssl that apparently has both secure and non secure content being displayed. I know this because IE8 throws a message box in my face each and every time I visit warning me of this. Yeah. I get it. They're trying to help me make my browsing more secure (or at least promote a little plausible deniability). However, this is a site I trust, so I'd like to disable this annoying warning. Either for this site or for good. But neither option appears to exist. I simply have to live with MS doing the Will Robinson thing each and every time I go there. Is this the new Vista like way of doing things? Annoy the crap out of your users for their own good, without giving us any way of controlling the experience. Why does UAC come to mind? Of course, ultimately the solution was simple. I just use Firefox for that site. These guys really live in their own little world, don't they?
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
I have to say I don't agree. I've found IE8 to be a big improvement over IE7. Mike
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I have to say I don't agree. I've found IE8 to be a big improvement over IE7. Mike
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There's a site I visit via ssl that apparently has both secure and non secure content being displayed. I know this because IE8 throws a message box in my face each and every time I visit warning me of this. Yeah. I get it. They're trying to help me make my browsing more secure (or at least promote a little plausible deniability). However, this is a site I trust, so I'd like to disable this annoying warning. Either for this site or for good. But neither option appears to exist. I simply have to live with MS doing the Will Robinson thing each and every time I go there. Is this the new Vista like way of doing things? Annoy the crap out of your users for their own good, without giving us any way of controlling the experience. Why does UAC come to mind? Of course, ultimately the solution was simple. I just use Firefox for that site. These guys really live in their own little world, don't they?
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
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I have been dual booting to Windows 7 for a while now on my development machine and I've used IE8 quite a lot. It seems like every 3rd website needs "Compatibility View" turned on to display correctly in IE8. Are they seriously thinking everyone is going jump at it to fix their sites for IE8? How about fixing your browser to work right out of the box with every site!
The problem is that IE8 is much more standards compliant. It no longer requires a lot of the hacks that are needed to display previous versions. The sites that require compatibility view probably would already work, but they are set to do weird things whenever they detect that a browser is any version of internet explorer. This is a really really good thing. Fewer head-aches for developers soon. "Are they seriously thinking everyone is going jump at it to fix their sites for IE8? How about fixing your browser to work right out of the box with every site!" Yes... that's what they've done for every previous version of IE. Most people do use it.
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Damir Valiulin wrote:
Are they seriously thinking everyone is going jump at it to fix their sites for IE8? How about fixing your browser to work right out of the box with every site!
While I certainly agree with you in principle, i.e. just make the darned thing work, my understanding (which could be seriously flawed) is that IE has never been particularly standards compliant like Firefox & others, and thus developers have had to hack their sites here and there to play nice with the non standard aspects of IE. I think IE8 is supposed to lean more in the direction of standards, which of course would break the previous hacks we had to do. Basically, either way you go, you're kinda screwed.
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
is let those browser-sniffers fail hard. The preferred, standards-compliant method is to use capability-sniffing, not browser-sniffing. If a site is changing what it does based on the browser name, it is (almost always) badly designed and needs to be corrected. Opera, the king of all browsers (suck it, Safari), had to create a spoofing mechanism just to deal with the idiot browser-sniffing sites. I don't know if that's what IE8's compatibility mode does, but I suspect it is.
Don't let my name fool you. That's my job.
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The problem is that IE8 is much more standards compliant. It no longer requires a lot of the hacks that are needed to display previous versions. The sites that require compatibility view probably would already work, but they are set to do weird things whenever they detect that a browser is any version of internet explorer. This is a really really good thing. Fewer head-aches for developers soon. "Are they seriously thinking everyone is going jump at it to fix their sites for IE8? How about fixing your browser to work right out of the box with every site!" Yes... that's what they've done for every previous version of IE. Most people do use it.
It's a good thing generally, although it will be years until we are ridden of the last versions of IE7. So until then, we'll be coding for IE8, Chrome, Firefox, Opera etc, whilst adding hacks for IE7, and then separate hacks for IE6. Yes, we still get alot of hits for IE6, and since everytime a version of XP is installed it is the default browser, it will be around for a while. At least the end is in sight!
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lol it reminds me a lot of this comic sketch/mac ad. Security Parody[^]
<>< :: have the courage to use your own reason
I hadn't seen that one, thanks for the laugh.
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There's a site I visit via ssl that apparently has both secure and non secure content being displayed. I know this because IE8 throws a message box in my face each and every time I visit warning me of this. Yeah. I get it. They're trying to help me make my browsing more secure (or at least promote a little plausible deniability). However, this is a site I trust, so I'd like to disable this annoying warning. Either for this site or for good. But neither option appears to exist. I simply have to live with MS doing the Will Robinson thing each and every time I go there. Is this the new Vista like way of doing things? Annoy the crap out of your users for their own good, without giving us any way of controlling the experience. Why does UAC come to mind? Of course, ultimately the solution was simple. I just use Firefox for that site. These guys really live in their own little world, don't they?
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
Yes. In in that it is a first step in getting rid of damning legacy, IE8 is the Vista of the IE series. Things is with IE8 though we get compatibility mode - a big button at the top of the window that you can press whenever you think the page doesn't look quite as nce as it should do. Sometimes they even press it for you. Bear in mind though that in 99% of case its about whether or not an image fits snugly against its neighbour instead of having a world ending 1 pixel gap between the two. The security warning has always been there. Knowing what its for I would never switch it off. You see, when that helpful little padlock icon is there I am re-assured that everything I type into the form is going to be sent to the site in a secure fashion. But wait. The popup just told me that there is content that hasn't come from the secure site that I trust. Now, what kind of content is that I wonder? OK, if its just an image then it shouldn't be considered a big deal, but what it it a hidden iframe? If I type my credit card number into the iframe, where is it going to go, and how will it be sent. This is also why you get a warning when crossing from https to http and especially why cross-site scripting isn't allowed. BTW. I like IE8, so far. The RC doesn't crash twice a day like the beta did, presumably because the feedback data helped stamp out bugs and its got some useful developer tools built right in which even Firefox doesn't have until you've added 3 1/2 plugins and then configured them.
