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Would the evidence you have seen be sufficient to you so that you would risk your life in a war against Iraq ? If you would be prepared to face possible death , then you have the moral justification in asking others to do so for you . If you wish to hide behind a TV screen and just watch Gulf War II on the 6 o'clock news then you do not. I for one would not want to go to War with Iraq based on the evidence I have seen . Granted , the mans a nutter , granted it would be better world without him , but I am not prepared to lay my life on the line for what appears to be highly subjective evidence and dubya scrabbling around for new ideas in the war against terror. I would have gone to Afgahnistan, I would have gone to the Gulf , I would have gone to the falklands , all worthy causes . But how can I ask someone else to risk their lives on my behalf if I would not be prepared to do it myself ? Oh no, you can't fool me. There ain't no Sanity Clause!
Andrew Torrance wrote: Would the evidence you have seen be sufficient to you so that you would risk your life in a war against Iraq ? If you would be prepared to face possible death , then you have the moral justification in asking others to do so for you . If you wish to hide behind a TV screen and just watch Gulf War II on the 6 o'clock news then you do not. I for one would not want to go to War with Iraq based on the evidence I have seen . Granted , the mans a nutter , granted it would be better world without him , but I am not prepared to lay my life on the line for what appears to be highly subjective evidence and dubya scrabbling around for new ideas in the war against terror. To be honest, I don't need to see any evidence that he's got weapons of mass destruction. To me this is a side issue. He's a dictator who doesn't allow free and fair elections and oppresses his people. That's enough for me to say to my government, What are you going to do about him. The same goes for any country that isn't a democracy. I think the UN should be doing more to overthrow these regimes. And yes, there is enough evidence for me to pick-up a gun and put my life on the line for other people's freedoms. We should have finished him in 91. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
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There is a big difference between Sharon on those 3 idiots. Please don't joke like that.
This is not a joking matter Sharon and Israel are like Saddam and Iraq Both have violated UN resolutions Both have attacked other countries (Iraq on Kuwait) (Isreal on Pallistine) Both have killed innocent people Both are butchers in my eye
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Andrew Torrance wrote: Would the evidence you have seen be sufficient to you so that you would risk your life in a war against Iraq ? If you would be prepared to face possible death , then you have the moral justification in asking others to do so for you . If you wish to hide behind a TV screen and just watch Gulf War II on the 6 o'clock news then you do not. I for one would not want to go to War with Iraq based on the evidence I have seen . Granted , the mans a nutter , granted it would be better world without him , but I am not prepared to lay my life on the line for what appears to be highly subjective evidence and dubya scrabbling around for new ideas in the war against terror. To be honest, I don't need to see any evidence that he's got weapons of mass destruction. To me this is a side issue. He's a dictator who doesn't allow free and fair elections and oppresses his people. That's enough for me to say to my government, What are you going to do about him. The same goes for any country that isn't a democracy. I think the UN should be doing more to overthrow these regimes. And yes, there is enough evidence for me to pick-up a gun and put my life on the line for other people's freedoms. We should have finished him in 91. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
Michael P Butler wrote: The same goes for any country that isn't a democracy. I think the UN should be doing more to overthrow these regimes. Pakistan is not a democracy - does that mean it will be next in line to get beaten up by the U.S. I like to see them try - as Pakistan is a Nuclear Power
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Ed K wrote: Israel is in a defensive mode. After Israel occupied Palestinian territory it is in deffensive mode, of course.
Samsung wrote: After Israel occupied Palestinian territory it is in deffensive mode, of course. Which was directly after the Palestinians (and most all the other arab nations in the area) made a surprise attack on Israel on a Jewish Holy Day. I believe it is also known as the 7 day war. Israel won the war decisively, taking territory, some of which it turned into a buffer zone. Now the Palestinians want it back. Some call it "Deacon Blues", I call it "Sore Losers". :laugh: Now...what HS/College did you go to so I'll know not to send my kids there? :| ed Every time I walk into a singles bar I can hear Mom's wise words: "Don't pick that up, you don't know where it's been!"
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bro, you obviously dont know the history Jews have lived in Israel for over 2,000 years. Prior to the Jews, the land was inhabited by the Philistines (NOT Palestinians, "Palestine" is a name the Bitish gave to Jordanian, Syrian, Egyptian and other Arab immigrants that moved into the area in the early 1900s. Philistines are an ancient civilization that no longer exist). In the early 1900s Jews outnumbered Arabs 10:1 in the region. When the British decided to leave the region, it originally allocated a mucher larger area for Jews (All the way to the Jordanian river). But because of a huge Arab uproar, they had to retract and give the Jordan area to the Arabs, leaving only a small area for the Jews. Now Palestinians want peices of that land too. Where does it end? So there was never any occupation. This land always belonged to Jews (Acheological digs back this up). Arab immigrants in the area wanted there own land. And even after all that has passed Jews have been nice enough to give them Gaza and the West Bank. I think Jews have gone way out of the way to be nice to these people.
Isreal is full of immigrants that is occupying land of the palistine people. Isreal should be ashamed of it self, It is doing the same to the palistine that the germans did to the Jews Shame on You.
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Another true believer in the long long list of idiots. We don't want a war with Iraq. We want to remove a tyrant from power. There is nothing in Iraq we couldn't get from somewhere else. If it was a true "war" it would last about 20 min and be over with. Oh wow! Another bloody misguided soul who thinks that US has the hand of God to remove or put tyrants to run countries. Grow out of your shell and start learning about other side of the planet. The evidence against Iraq supporting terrorists (especially the Sept. 11 terrorists) is flimsy at best. Countries like Pakistan has more links to Al-Qaida and the likes than Iraq. And then we will kill you and then your childern can hate us and then we will kill them ad infinitum.. Or they will kill themselves trying to emulate their father. Who do you think will last the longest - your family line or the US. The insanity has to end some where either thru attrition or education. Such comments are uncalled for. I am just saying that the roots of hatrad will not go away through mindless destruction. You cannot hold someone guilty until proven innocent. Same thing happened in Afghanistan. Forget Osama's children, you could not even get the man and killed thousand innocents instead and probably watered his family tree. So MORON, sorry to disappoint you, the hatrad will last much longer than US or people like you. Anyways, did not want to fuel a war. And I am sure all you supporters of FREE SPEECH AND FREEDOM that you have been harking about, would not mind me having a different view than yours. Or wait, true democracy means everyone has to agree with everyone. Forgot that for a sec.. Without struggle, there is no progress
I'm sorry, but you are the fool in this discussion. You're a fool because you can't open your eyes because of your hatred of the west.
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Another true believer in the long long list of idiots. We don't want a war with Iraq. We want to remove a tyrant from power. There is nothing in Iraq we couldn't get from somewhere else. If it was a true "war" it would last about 20 min and be over with. Oh wow! Another bloody misguided soul who thinks that US has the hand of God to remove or put tyrants to run countries. Grow out of your shell and start learning about other side of the planet. The evidence against Iraq supporting terrorists (especially the Sept. 11 terrorists) is flimsy at best. Countries like Pakistan has more links to Al-Qaida and the likes than Iraq. And then we will kill you and then your childern can hate us and then we will kill them ad infinitum.. Or they will kill themselves trying to emulate their father. Who do you think will last the longest - your family line or the US. The insanity has to end some where either thru attrition or education. Such comments are uncalled for. I am just saying that the roots of hatrad will not go away through mindless destruction. You cannot hold someone guilty until proven innocent. Same thing happened in Afghanistan. Forget Osama's children, you could not even get the man and killed thousand innocents instead and probably watered his family tree. So MORON, sorry to disappoint you, the hatrad will last much longer than US or people like you. Anyways, did not want to fuel a war. And I am sure all you supporters of FREE SPEECH AND FREEDOM that you have been harking about, would not mind me having a different view than yours. Or wait, true democracy means everyone has to agree with everyone. Forgot that for a sec.. Without struggle, there is no progress
pankajdaga wrote: Oh wow! Another bloody misguided soul who thinks that US has the hand of God to remove or put tyrants to run countries. Grow out of your shell and start learning about other side of the planet. We have the right of might. We CAN do it therefore it behooves us to do it. And if it is the will of our Nation we WILL do it. And the other side of the planet better learn about us. A jihad and an AK ain't much to a F16. pankajdaga wrote: So MORON, sorry to disappoint you, the hatrad will last much longer than US or people like you. Are you really that dumb. In 20 -30 years oil will no longer be the primary source of fuel and at that time all paradigms will change. We don't really care if you hate us or not - just as long as you don't try to hurt us. We will just go on our merry way and let the desert reclaim its own. pankajdaga wrote: Without struggle, there is no progress And without progress there is no future. And guess where all the progress is baby - here - not there. Richard We are called the nation of inventors. And we are. We could still claim that title and wear its loftiest honors if we had stopped with the first thing we ever invented, which was human liberty. Mark Twain- Foreign Critics speech, 1890
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Michael P Butler wrote: The same goes for any country that isn't a democracy. I think the UN should be doing more to overthrow these regimes. Pakistan is not a democracy - does that mean it will be next in line to get beaten up by the U.S. I like to see them try - as Pakistan is a Nuclear Power
John Smith wrote: Pakistan is not a democracy - does that mean it will be next in line to get beaten up by the U.S. You'll notice I send UN - not US. The US on it's own can't being freedom to people. Only the collective countries under the UN can do this. John Smith wrote: I like to see them try - as Pakistan is a Nuclear Power Just because they have nukes, does that mean their people shouldn't be allowed to vote and have the same freedoms enjoyed by ourselves. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
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I'm sorry, but you are the fool in this discussion. You're a fool because you can't open your eyes because of your hatred of the west.
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"If you are going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston ChurchillThere is no sentence where I say I hate the West. But I do not say that everything that they do is right either. Without struggle, there is no progress
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pankajdaga wrote: Oh wow! Another bloody misguided soul who thinks that US has the hand of God to remove or put tyrants to run countries. Grow out of your shell and start learning about other side of the planet. We have the right of might. We CAN do it therefore it behooves us to do it. And if it is the will of our Nation we WILL do it. And the other side of the planet better learn about us. A jihad and an AK ain't much to a F16. pankajdaga wrote: So MORON, sorry to disappoint you, the hatrad will last much longer than US or people like you. Are you really that dumb. In 20 -30 years oil will no longer be the primary source of fuel and at that time all paradigms will change. We don't really care if you hate us or not - just as long as you don't try to hurt us. We will just go on our merry way and let the desert reclaim its own. pankajdaga wrote: Without struggle, there is no progress And without progress there is no future. And guess where all the progress is baby - here - not there. Richard We are called the nation of inventors. And we are. We could still claim that title and wear its loftiest honors if we had stopped with the first thing we ever invented, which was human liberty. Mark Twain- Foreign Critics speech, 1890
Foolish words. Probably spoken by many superpowers at different times. You are reiterating my point of US being a bully. We have the right of might. We CAN do it therefore it behooves us to do it. And if it is the will of our Nation we WILL do it. And the other side of the planet better learn about us. A jihad and an AK ain't much to a F16. Yes, let us suck the oil resources till they last. Let us kill everyone there. Who gives a damn. That is precisely what is the sole interest of US as you echoed. And you ask for examples of US sucking resources. Are you really that dumb. In 20 -30 years oil will no longer be the primary source of fuel and at that time all paradigms will change. We don't really care if you hate us or not - just as long as you don't try to hurt us. We will just go on our merry way and let the desert reclaim its own. Yes, typical American view. Your world is concentrated in your country and you have no idea of anything beyond it. No wonder most of the Americans I meet here, never wanna set foot back in the US. And without progress there is no future. And guess where all the progress is baby - here - not there. Anyways, did not want to start a word war like I said. I guess we will have to see how things unfold. Saddam will go 8which is a good thing), but it is a fact that Iraq will be raped economically by the US. And no need to say it, I know you are proud of that. Pankaj Without struggle, there is no progress
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Isreal is full of immigrants that is occupying land of the palistine people. Isreal should be ashamed of it self, It is doing the same to the palistine that the germans did to the Jews Shame on You.
John Smith wrote: It is doing the same to the palistine that the germans did to the Jews John Smith wrote: Shame on You. no.. shame on you for saying something as stupid as that. Israel is not gassing, cooking or performing medical experiments on the Palistinians. disgusting
Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: "Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp."
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pankajdaga wrote: Lived in China for 12 years So why did you left this paradise-on-earth country? Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
To some its a six-pack, to me it's a support group
Why do people emigrate from the States (or Poland, or any other country)?
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
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Why do people emigrate from the States (or Poland, or any other country)?
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
Obviously, the first reason must be weather ;) Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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Obviously, the first reason must be weather ;) Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
To some its a six-pack, to me it's a support group
hehe, especially true for Germany ;P Without struggle, there is no progress
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Agreed !! Capiatalism just happens. Communism is a human planned system. Regardz Colin J Davies
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You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
Colin^Davies wrote: Capiatalism just happens so do murder, rape, war, hunger, disease and death. just because something is "the natural way of things" doesn't make it superior. -c
Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: "Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp."
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This is not a joking matter Sharon and Israel are like Saddam and Iraq Both have violated UN resolutions Both have attacked other countries (Iraq on Kuwait) (Isreal on Pallistine) Both have killed innocent people Both are butchers in my eye
John Smith wrote: Both have attacked other countries (Iraq on Kuwait) (Isreal on Pallistine) Depends what you mean by attack? Did Israel use force? of course, but it was in self defence. John Smith wrote: Both have killed innocent people Any army general will tell you, performing operations in densly populated areas can result in innocents being killed. However, in most cases, it has been known terrorists that have been killed. With the Palestinians, it is exactly the opposite, they purposely kill civilians with bombs. That is their aim. To maim and kill. John Smith wrote: Both are butchers in my eye I guess you see things wrong.
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Samsung wrote: For some other guy US is not good place for live. Why? What makes US a bad place? Is it the fact that if you speak out against the government they roll over you with tanks. Does not having the right face mean the men come in the middle of the night and rape your wife. Does having one child mean your next one will be aborted (forcefully) Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
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Andrew Torrance wrote: Would the evidence you have seen be sufficient to you so that you would risk your life in a war against Iraq ? If you would be prepared to face possible death , then you have the moral justification in asking others to do so for you . If you wish to hide behind a TV screen and just watch Gulf War II on the 6 o'clock news then you do not. I for one would not want to go to War with Iraq based on the evidence I have seen . Granted , the mans a nutter , granted it would be better world without him , but I am not prepared to lay my life on the line for what appears to be highly subjective evidence and dubya scrabbling around for new ideas in the war against terror. To be honest, I don't need to see any evidence that he's got weapons of mass destruction. To me this is a side issue. He's a dictator who doesn't allow free and fair elections and oppresses his people. That's enough for me to say to my government, What are you going to do about him. The same goes for any country that isn't a democracy. I think the UN should be doing more to overthrow these regimes. And yes, there is enough evidence for me to pick-up a gun and put my life on the line for other people's freedoms. We should have finished him in 91. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
Michael P Butler wrote: The same goes for any country that isn't a democracy Does that include :- China Pakistan (Nuclear powers without democracy) Nigeria Ethiopia Zimbabwe Libya North Korea Iraq Somalia Georgia Chechnya (Countries in Turmoil or without democracy) Iran Vietnam Cuba (Countries who are generally well behaved now , but still manage to piss off the Americans) South Korea Saudi Arabia (Countries where womens rights are different to those enjoyed in the west) Syria Egypt Jordan Lebenon (Countries that do or have threatend the security of the US ally , Isreal.) WTF gives you the right to decide how other countries live ? You have as much right to interfere in another country as they have to interfere in yours . The exception to this is when their actions affect you . If they do not affect you then there are more appropriate ways of protesting than trying to invade everybody . It is the percieved arrogance of the west that has contributed to the anti-western feelings in many parts of the world , as pointed out today by the Canadian PM. Oh no, you can't fool me. There ain't no Sanity Clause!
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Answer my first question! Where the heck are you??? Its apparent that you either have never lived in a free country or you have been completely brain washed. Marx was a fool. Communism hurts the people it professes to help the most! Capitalism is the natural system of barter and trade between individuals. Money is simply a standard (govt supported) method of exchange. The individual is the one that worships money, not all capitalists. I could say that communism is the merger of the religion of humanism and government. A lethal combination if you ask me.
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"If you are going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston ChurchillAt least you are prepared to discuss the point . Many of the opinions I see will not do that , they seem to hark back to the McArthur witch hunts when people were persecuted for their beleifs . Communism took Russia , a largely agricultural country and turned it into a more modern industrial country . It also then went on to defeat Nazi Germany with the help of the economic and military might of the capitolist countries . It also went on to provide awful living standards for many of its people , so I am not arguing that it was brilliant . Communism is not a panacea , but to ignore possibilities outside of capitolism is short sighted . we are now entering a globalisation phase of development and probably a new dogma will emerge . Its just when people dismiss whole swathes of thinking just because of the name it really pisses me off . Oh no, you can't fool me. There ain't no Sanity Clause!
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At least you are prepared to discuss the point . Many of the opinions I see will not do that , they seem to hark back to the McArthur witch hunts when people were persecuted for their beleifs . Communism took Russia , a largely agricultural country and turned it into a more modern industrial country . It also then went on to defeat Nazi Germany with the help of the economic and military might of the capitolist countries . It also went on to provide awful living standards for many of its people , so I am not arguing that it was brilliant . Communism is not a panacea , but to ignore possibilities outside of capitolism is short sighted . we are now entering a globalisation phase of development and probably a new dogma will emerge . Its just when people dismiss whole swathes of thinking just because of the name it really pisses me off . Oh no, you can't fool me. There ain't no Sanity Clause!
There isn't a single rich communist country where its people have freedom to choose their leaders and speak openly against the government. That makes it a flawed system. You could claim a few socialist success stories, but I would argue that those countries fall far short of their potential. Like Sweden. Pure capitalism is unattainable. The commodities markets are the only systems that even come close to pure capitalism. Therefore, a form of watered down capitalism has emerged where markets are influenced by outside forces like advertisements, popularity, etc., and government. If there were a communist country that did not retain control by force, I would not be against it. But that would never happen because people would not choose communism (not for long anyway).
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