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Obviously, the first reason must be weather ;) Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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hehe, especially true for Germany ;P Without struggle, there is no progress
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Agreed !! Capiatalism just happens. Communism is a human planned system. Regardz Colin J Davies
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You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
Colin^Davies wrote: Capiatalism just happens so do murder, rape, war, hunger, disease and death. just because something is "the natural way of things" doesn't make it superior. -c
Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: "Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp."
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This is not a joking matter Sharon and Israel are like Saddam and Iraq Both have violated UN resolutions Both have attacked other countries (Iraq on Kuwait) (Isreal on Pallistine) Both have killed innocent people Both are butchers in my eye
John Smith wrote: Both have attacked other countries (Iraq on Kuwait) (Isreal on Pallistine) Depends what you mean by attack? Did Israel use force? of course, but it was in self defence. John Smith wrote: Both have killed innocent people Any army general will tell you, performing operations in densly populated areas can result in innocents being killed. However, in most cases, it has been known terrorists that have been killed. With the Palestinians, it is exactly the opposite, they purposely kill civilians with bombs. That is their aim. To maim and kill. John Smith wrote: Both are butchers in my eye I guess you see things wrong.
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Samsung wrote: For some other guy US is not good place for live. Why? What makes US a bad place? Is it the fact that if you speak out against the government they roll over you with tanks. Does not having the right face mean the men come in the middle of the night and rape your wife. Does having one child mean your next one will be aborted (forcefully) Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
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Andrew Torrance wrote: Would the evidence you have seen be sufficient to you so that you would risk your life in a war against Iraq ? If you would be prepared to face possible death , then you have the moral justification in asking others to do so for you . If you wish to hide behind a TV screen and just watch Gulf War II on the 6 o'clock news then you do not. I for one would not want to go to War with Iraq based on the evidence I have seen . Granted , the mans a nutter , granted it would be better world without him , but I am not prepared to lay my life on the line for what appears to be highly subjective evidence and dubya scrabbling around for new ideas in the war against terror. To be honest, I don't need to see any evidence that he's got weapons of mass destruction. To me this is a side issue. He's a dictator who doesn't allow free and fair elections and oppresses his people. That's enough for me to say to my government, What are you going to do about him. The same goes for any country that isn't a democracy. I think the UN should be doing more to overthrow these regimes. And yes, there is enough evidence for me to pick-up a gun and put my life on the line for other people's freedoms. We should have finished him in 91. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
Michael P Butler wrote: The same goes for any country that isn't a democracy Does that include :- China Pakistan (Nuclear powers without democracy) Nigeria Ethiopia Zimbabwe Libya North Korea Iraq Somalia Georgia Chechnya (Countries in Turmoil or without democracy) Iran Vietnam Cuba (Countries who are generally well behaved now , but still manage to piss off the Americans) South Korea Saudi Arabia (Countries where womens rights are different to those enjoyed in the west) Syria Egypt Jordan Lebenon (Countries that do or have threatend the security of the US ally , Isreal.) WTF gives you the right to decide how other countries live ? You have as much right to interfere in another country as they have to interfere in yours . The exception to this is when their actions affect you . If they do not affect you then there are more appropriate ways of protesting than trying to invade everybody . It is the percieved arrogance of the west that has contributed to the anti-western feelings in many parts of the world , as pointed out today by the Canadian PM. Oh no, you can't fool me. There ain't no Sanity Clause!
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Answer my first question! Where the heck are you??? Its apparent that you either have never lived in a free country or you have been completely brain washed. Marx was a fool. Communism hurts the people it professes to help the most! Capitalism is the natural system of barter and trade between individuals. Money is simply a standard (govt supported) method of exchange. The individual is the one that worships money, not all capitalists. I could say that communism is the merger of the religion of humanism and government. A lethal combination if you ask me.
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"If you are going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston ChurchillAt least you are prepared to discuss the point . Many of the opinions I see will not do that , they seem to hark back to the McArthur witch hunts when people were persecuted for their beleifs . Communism took Russia , a largely agricultural country and turned it into a more modern industrial country . It also then went on to defeat Nazi Germany with the help of the economic and military might of the capitolist countries . It also went on to provide awful living standards for many of its people , so I am not arguing that it was brilliant . Communism is not a panacea , but to ignore possibilities outside of capitolism is short sighted . we are now entering a globalisation phase of development and probably a new dogma will emerge . Its just when people dismiss whole swathes of thinking just because of the name it really pisses me off . Oh no, you can't fool me. There ain't no Sanity Clause!
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At least you are prepared to discuss the point . Many of the opinions I see will not do that , they seem to hark back to the McArthur witch hunts when people were persecuted for their beleifs . Communism took Russia , a largely agricultural country and turned it into a more modern industrial country . It also then went on to defeat Nazi Germany with the help of the economic and military might of the capitolist countries . It also went on to provide awful living standards for many of its people , so I am not arguing that it was brilliant . Communism is not a panacea , but to ignore possibilities outside of capitolism is short sighted . we are now entering a globalisation phase of development and probably a new dogma will emerge . Its just when people dismiss whole swathes of thinking just because of the name it really pisses me off . Oh no, you can't fool me. There ain't no Sanity Clause!
There isn't a single rich communist country where its people have freedom to choose their leaders and speak openly against the government. That makes it a flawed system. You could claim a few socialist success stories, but I would argue that those countries fall far short of their potential. Like Sweden. Pure capitalism is unattainable. The commodities markets are the only systems that even come close to pure capitalism. Therefore, a form of watered down capitalism has emerged where markets are influenced by outside forces like advertisements, popularity, etc., and government. If there were a communist country that did not retain control by force, I would not be against it. But that would never happen because people would not choose communism (not for long anyway).
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Samsung wrote: After Israel occupied Palestinian territory it is in deffensive mode, of course. Which was directly after the Palestinians (and most all the other arab nations in the area) made a surprise attack on Israel on a Jewish Holy Day. I believe it is also known as the 7 day war. Israel won the war decisively, taking territory, some of which it turned into a buffer zone. Now the Palestinians want it back. Some call it "Deacon Blues", I call it "Sore Losers". :laugh: Now...what HS/College did you go to so I'll know not to send my kids there? :| ed Every time I walk into a singles bar I can hear Mom's wise words: "Don't pick that up, you don't know where it's been!"
Ed K wrote: Which was directly after the Palestinians (and most all the other arab nations in the area) made a surprise attack on Israel on a Jewish Holy Day. What was before? Finally, does not matter. OK, if you think an attack on Holly Day is enough to occupy their territory for 40 years, I agree, but it is very similar to story about Afghanistan. ;) Good school,..., really good.;)
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Samsung wrote: For some other guy US is not good place for live. Why? What makes US a bad place? Is it the fact that if you speak out against the government they roll over you with tanks. Does not having the right face mean the men come in the middle of the night and rape your wife. Does having one child mean your next one will be aborted (forcefully) Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
Michael P Butler wrote: Why? What makes US a bad place? Is it the fact that if you speak out against the government they roll over you with tanks. You can speak, but you can change almost nothing. It is different(better?) than communism(where you cannot, even, speak). But do not be naive, you cannot speak everything even in US, or you can, but "nobody" will hear it, because TV will not show it. Michael P Butler wrote: Does not having the right face mean the men come in the middle of the night and rape your wife. It happens in US. But it is not right example, because it happens in any country. Michael P Butler wrote: Does having one child mean your next one will be aborted (forcefully) It depends on population and can be in US, in future, why not. Look: I do not want my child to go to school where there are check points for guns.(It tells something about country, isn't it?) I do not want to worry about my child will be kidnapped from park, playground or school. I do not want my child grow with Coca-Cola in school. I do not want to eat food and do not know is it GM or not. I do not like country where it is up to you to write your race, but it is offered(You see, I have choice ;)) to apply for some position. (I could not be Japanese in US after bombing Pearl Harbor) I do not like to live in country where 50%(first in world) are divorced.(Can you suppose why it is so?) I do not want to worry about next "9/11". I do not want to enjoy in my standard which is based on wars. As you can see, it is my life style, nothing more.
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Michael P Butler wrote: The same goes for any country that isn't a democracy Does that include :- China Pakistan (Nuclear powers without democracy) Nigeria Ethiopia Zimbabwe Libya North Korea Iraq Somalia Georgia Chechnya (Countries in Turmoil or without democracy) Iran Vietnam Cuba (Countries who are generally well behaved now , but still manage to piss off the Americans) South Korea Saudi Arabia (Countries where womens rights are different to those enjoyed in the west) Syria Egypt Jordan Lebenon (Countries that do or have threatend the security of the US ally , Isreal.) WTF gives you the right to decide how other countries live ? You have as much right to interfere in another country as they have to interfere in yours . The exception to this is when their actions affect you . If they do not affect you then there are more appropriate ways of protesting than trying to invade everybody . It is the percieved arrogance of the west that has contributed to the anti-western feelings in many parts of the world , as pointed out today by the Canadian PM. Oh no, you can't fool me. There ain't no Sanity Clause!
Andrew Torrance wrote: Does that include :- China Pakistan (Nuclear powers without democracy) Nigeria Ethiopia Zimbabwe Libya North Korea Iraq Somalia Georgia Chechnya (Countries in Turmoil or without democracy) Iran Vietnam Cuba (Countries who are generally well behaved now , but still manage to piss off the Americans) South Korea Saudi Arabia (Countries where womens rights are different to those enjoyed in the west) Syria Egypt Jordan Lebenon (Countries that do or have threatend the security of the US ally , Isreal.) Oh yes. The UN should be putting pressue on these countries as well to form a democratic government. Andrew Torrance wrote: WTF gives you the right to decide how other countries live ? You have as much right to interfere in another country as they have to interfere in yours . The exception to this is when their actions affect you . If they do not affect you then there are more appropriate ways of protesting than trying to invade everybody . It is the percieved arrogance of the west that has contributed to the anti-western feelings in many parts of the world , as pointed out today by the Canadian PM. Because I'm a self-righteous bastard who believes he knows best. :-D It is up to the people of those countries to decide how they should live. Sadly most of the countries you mention don't allow their people to exercise their right in a free and democratic way. This is what needs correcting. It isn't arrogance, it should be the given right of every person on this planet to have the right to vote. If they want to vote for the same then fair enough - as long as after a certain length of time they are allowed to vote again. Our western democracies aren't perfect - but it is sure a lot better than the alternative. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
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Ed K wrote: Which was directly after the Palestinians (and most all the other arab nations in the area) made a surprise attack on Israel on a Jewish Holy Day. What was before? Finally, does not matter. OK, if you think an attack on Holly Day is enough to occupy their territory for 40 years, I agree, but it is very similar to story about Afghanistan. ;) Good school,..., really good.;)
Samsung wrote: What was before? The Palestinians organizing the attack. You lose territory in a war, it is no longer 'yours'...you lost it! So they are not occupying Palestinian territory..Israel won it...it is theirs. Nuff said.. ed Every time I walk into a singles bar I can hear Mom's wise words: "Don't pick that up, you don't know where it's been!"
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Samsung wrote: What was before? The Palestinians organizing the attack. You lose territory in a war, it is no longer 'yours'...you lost it! So they are not occupying Palestinian territory..Israel won it...it is theirs. Nuff said.. ed Every time I walk into a singles bar I can hear Mom's wise words: "Don't pick that up, you don't know where it's been!"
Ed K wrote: You lose territory in a war, it is no longer 'yours'...you lost it! So they are not occupying Palestinian territory..Israel won it...it is theirs. You speak as you are 10-year old. Problem is who attacked first. Ask Palestinians, and then Israel. You will hear 2 stories. You want to believe you, why? It is history? Winners make history. Do not forget that attack is not only by using weapons. BTW: If Israel's war was to defense itself, why took new territories? It is preventive defense, like US does now !? ;) Yes, really, yes for sure. You hit me, and I hit you and take your home. It was fighting, and it is my now. Fine? Are you sure Israel won war and territory?