Microsoft technologies Simplicity && illiteracy VS complication && professionalism [modified]
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I used to working on a big project, with lots of code and with a lot of customizable GUI, the name of the platform i was using was "wxwidgets" and it was a platform that is based on C++ ,I was learning lots of things especially in visual programming and i could do whatever i wanted because of strength of c++ and the platform itself and it had got a handy dandy (and simple) help , it was just a chm file that i could find all i wanted simply there but i migrated to C#, (and i used to be familiar with the technology of .NET especially C#) but now i feel that C# say nothing about anything , it stay you away of the real knowledge of visual programming (especially and other base concept in general term) and i feel if you want to learn c# especially by the means of books and videos you will just learn a shell of all is happening under the hood and you still can not find exactly what you want or maybe somethings doesn't exist to be found I want to know if you all programmers agree with me or you are not thank you all especially some of you that tell me about your idea about the issue thank you'all and i am talking about the technology of Microsoft Co. why all are talking about my style of writing or literature ?
modified on Wednesday, May 6, 2009 7:04 AM
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I used to working on a big project, with lots of code and with a lot of customizable GUI, the name of the platform i was using was "wxwidgets" and it was a platform that is based on C++ ,I was learning lots of things especially in visual programming and i could do whatever i wanted because of strength of c++ and the platform itself and it had got a handy dandy (and simple) help , it was just a chm file that i could find all i wanted simply there but i migrated to C#, (and i used to be familiar with the technology of .NET especially C#) but now i feel that C# say nothing about anything , it stay you away of the real knowledge of visual programming (especially and other base concept in general term) and i feel if you want to learn c# especially by the means of books and videos you will just learn a shell of all is happening under the hood and you still can not find exactly what you want or maybe somethings doesn't exist to be found I want to know if you all programmers agree with me or you are not thank you all especially some of you that tell me about your idea about the issue thank you'all and i am talking about the technology of Microsoft Co. why all are talking about my style of writing or literature ?
modified on Wednesday, May 6, 2009 7:04 AM
You need to learn about punctuation. I'm pretty sure it's used everywhere except in your messages.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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You need to learn about punctuation. I'm pretty sure it's used everywhere except in your messages.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001As a C++er, his punctuation will be by way of indirection, so expect to see lots of -> in there.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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I used to working on a big project, with lots of code and with a lot of customizable GUI, the name of the platform i was using was "wxwidgets" and it was a platform that is based on C++ ,I was learning lots of things especially in visual programming and i could do whatever i wanted because of strength of c++ and the platform itself and it had got a handy dandy (and simple) help , it was just a chm file that i could find all i wanted simply there but i migrated to C#, (and i used to be familiar with the technology of .NET especially C#) but now i feel that C# say nothing about anything , it stay you away of the real knowledge of visual programming (especially and other base concept in general term) and i feel if you want to learn c# especially by the means of books and videos you will just learn a shell of all is happening under the hood and you still can not find exactly what you want or maybe somethings doesn't exist to be found I want to know if you all programmers agree with me or you are not thank you all especially some of you that tell me about your idea about the issue thank you'all and i am talking about the technology of Microsoft Co. why all are talking about my style of writing or literature ?
modified on Wednesday, May 6, 2009 7:04 AM
And the perpendicular pronoun is supposed to a majuscule!
------------------------------------ "Children today are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble their food and tyrannize their teachers. I despair for the future." Socrates 400BC
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And the perpendicular pronoun is supposed to a majuscule!
------------------------------------ "Children today are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble their food and tyrannize their teachers. I despair for the future." Socrates 400BC
Dalek Dave wrote:
And the perpendicular pronoun is supposed to a majuscule!
I like the sound of this on both sides of my forked tongue, Dave. 5 ! best, Bill
"Many : not conversant with mathematical studies, imagine that because it [the Analytical Engine] is to give results in numerical notation, its processes must consequently be arithmetical, numerical, rather than algebraical and analytical. This is an error. The engine can arrange and combine numerical quantities as if they were letters or any other general symbols; and it fact it might bring out its results in algebraical notation, were provisions made accordingly." Ada, Countess Lovelace, 1844
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As a C++er, his punctuation will be by way of indirection, so expect to see lots of -> in there.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
ya gimme a big hug thank you for your -> remainder but c# still thinks he is out of that but i have to use pointers in c# in that project, because of low speed of processing in an image processing part of that project ;)
modified on Wednesday, May 6, 2009 7:29 AM
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I used to working on a big project, with lots of code and with a lot of customizable GUI, the name of the platform i was using was "wxwidgets" and it was a platform that is based on C++ ,I was learning lots of things especially in visual programming and i could do whatever i wanted because of strength of c++ and the platform itself and it had got a handy dandy (and simple) help , it was just a chm file that i could find all i wanted simply there but i migrated to C#, (and i used to be familiar with the technology of .NET especially C#) but now i feel that C# say nothing about anything , it stay you away of the real knowledge of visual programming (especially and other base concept in general term) and i feel if you want to learn c# especially by the means of books and videos you will just learn a shell of all is happening under the hood and you still can not find exactly what you want or maybe somethings doesn't exist to be found I want to know if you all programmers agree with me or you are not thank you all especially some of you that tell me about your idea about the issue thank you'all and i am talking about the technology of Microsoft Co. why all are talking about my style of writing or literature ?
modified on Wednesday, May 6, 2009 7:04 AM
As an ex C++ with MFC programmer migrating to C# .NET, I think you are wrong. C# allows you to do anything C++ does, but with added bonus: it is a lot harder to get get it wrong. Memory leaks - unless you take over pointers then they aren't your fault any more!
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ya gimme a big hug thank you for your -> remainder but c# still thinks he is out of that but i have to use pointers in c# in that project, because of low speed of processing in an image processing part of that project ;)
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It is amazing. Even after being warned you still blatantly ignore the established protocol that has been adopted within this community: 0. Use the best English that you possibly can. 1. Punctuation is as important to us Pedants as the C++ programmer's precious pointers. 2. Bacon is a vegetable. 3. All comments in the lounge are to be kept light hearted.
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As an ex C++ with MFC programmer migrating to C# .NET, I think you are wrong. C# allows you to do anything C++ does, but with added bonus: it is a lot harder to get get it wrong. Memory leaks - unless you take over pointers then they aren't your fault any more!
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OriginalGriff wrote:
C# allows you to do anything C++ does, but with added bonus bloat:
Fixed that for ya. :laugh: Seriously though, you cannot quote it that simply. May be you should write an anti-virus in C#? Think of high performance applications, realtime processing applications, graphics rendering, etc., Can you write such things in C#? So, the question is not Can you, but Will you do it? .NET and Native language programming are existing to solve different purposes, so use it wisely. Trying to do everything in the world with C# is not the brightest idea if you ask me. So, C# cannot do everything C++ does, but the converse part may be true. If you have the time, have a look at my reply to the question, is MFC Obsolete?[^] Good day. :) [edit] For the records, I'm not voting you down :) [/edit]
It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini
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As an ex C++ with MFC programmer migrating to C# .NET, I think you are wrong. C# allows you to do anything C++ does, but with added bonus: it is a lot harder to get get it wrong. Memory leaks - unless you take over pointers then they aren't your fault any more!
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maybe you are right but I am not talking about MFC I am talking about C++ standard itself with the strength of GUI designing of WXWIDGETS and i appreciate your answer
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I used to working on a big project, with lots of code and with a lot of customizable GUI, the name of the platform i was using was "wxwidgets" and it was a platform that is based on C++ ,I was learning lots of things especially in visual programming and i could do whatever i wanted because of strength of c++ and the platform itself and it had got a handy dandy (and simple) help , it was just a chm file that i could find all i wanted simply there but i migrated to C#, (and i used to be familiar with the technology of .NET especially C#) but now i feel that C# say nothing about anything , it stay you away of the real knowledge of visual programming (especially and other base concept in general term) and i feel if you want to learn c# especially by the means of books and videos you will just learn a shell of all is happening under the hood and you still can not find exactly what you want or maybe somethings doesn't exist to be found I want to know if you all programmers agree with me or you are not thank you all especially some of you that tell me about your idea about the issue thank you'all and i am talking about the technology of Microsoft Co. why all are talking about my style of writing or literature ?
modified on Wednesday, May 6, 2009 7:04 AM
If you have strong native language programming skills, there's absolutely nothing wrong in migrating to managed code. I say it because you know what actually is being abstracted, and you know what is happening internally. If you are still learning native language programming, you can still only master the basics and learn managed code simultaneously. It is going to help you some or the other day. But, if you want to be writing native code all the time and are passionate about it, find a job where you get to do such a thing. I did it. :)
It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini
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OriginalGriff wrote:
C# allows you to do anything C++ does, but with added bonus bloat:
Fixed that for ya. :laugh: Seriously though, you cannot quote it that simply. May be you should write an anti-virus in C#? Think of high performance applications, realtime processing applications, graphics rendering, etc., Can you write such things in C#? So, the question is not Can you, but Will you do it? .NET and Native language programming are existing to solve different purposes, so use it wisely. Trying to do everything in the world with C# is not the brightest idea if you ask me. So, C# cannot do everything C++ does, but the converse part may be true. If you have the time, have a look at my reply to the question, is MFC Obsolete?[^] Good day. :) [edit] For the records, I'm not voting you down :) [/edit]
It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini
An oversimplification, I admit. No I wouldn't write anything quick in C# - I use assembler for interrupt routines, or vanilla C. Though I have used C++ for embedded applications, with a little assembler at startup and for interrupts, I would not consider C# because of the memory requirements. But equally, I wouldn't want to write .NET applications in assembler (or C again)!
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OriginalGriff wrote:
C# allows you to do anything C++ does, but with added bonus bloat:
Fixed that for ya. :laugh: Seriously though, you cannot quote it that simply. May be you should write an anti-virus in C#? Think of high performance applications, realtime processing applications, graphics rendering, etc., Can you write such things in C#? So, the question is not Can you, but Will you do it? .NET and Native language programming are existing to solve different purposes, so use it wisely. Trying to do everything in the world with C# is not the brightest idea if you ask me. So, C# cannot do everything C++ does, but the converse part may be true. If you have the time, have a look at my reply to the question, is MFC Obsolete?[^] Good day. :) [edit] For the records, I'm not voting you down :) [/edit]
It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini
The other (and possibly more important) question to ask is: Which is more important to the client, speed of application development (Developer productivity) versus speed of execution? Developers are expensive resources. C# provides developers with a lot of useful tools to do the same things faster (yes, it isn't the ideal for every task, but it does make many that much easier).
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If you have strong native language programming skills, there's absolutely nothing wrong in migrating to managed code. I say it because you know what actually is being abstracted, and you know what is happening internally. If you are still learning native language programming, you can still only master the basics and learn managed code simultaneously. It is going to help you some or the other day. But, if you want to be writing native code all the time and are passionate about it, find a job where you get to do such a thing. I did it. :)
It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini
I have that kind of job but you know I have migrated to C# and I told my Manager some reason for migration and now I can not change what I did, you know thank you, that you remind me that good days that I was coding in CPP, my love, and feeling good
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OriginalGriff wrote:
C# allows you to do anything C++ does, but with added bonus bloat:
Fixed that for ya. :laugh: Seriously though, you cannot quote it that simply. May be you should write an anti-virus in C#? Think of high performance applications, realtime processing applications, graphics rendering, etc., Can you write such things in C#? So, the question is not Can you, but Will you do it? .NET and Native language programming are existing to solve different purposes, so use it wisely. Trying to do everything in the world with C# is not the brightest idea if you ask me. So, C# cannot do everything C++ does, but the converse part may be true. If you have the time, have a look at my reply to the question, is MFC Obsolete?[^] Good day. :) [edit] For the records, I'm not voting you down :) [/edit]
It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini
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The other (and possibly more important) question to ask is: Which is more important to the client, speed of application development (Developer productivity) versus speed of execution? Developers are expensive resources. C# provides developers with a lot of useful tools to do the same things faster (yes, it isn't the ideal for every task, but it does make many that much easier).
ZaoWuYa wrote:
Which is more important to the client, speed of application development (Developer productivity) versus speed of execution?
I wouldn't want a client who tells me what to write a program in - I must be suggesting which tools/languages to use. All I want from the client is the problem set, that is expected to be solved. For me, performance is always important (bearing in mind that a bad programmer can write an inefficient program in C++ too). I've said enough on this topic on the link provided in my other reply, so I don't want to discuss this now.
It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini
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If you have strong native language programming skills, there's absolutely nothing wrong in migrating to managed code. I say it because you know what actually is being abstracted, and you know what is happening internally. If you are still learning native language programming, you can still only master the basics and learn managed code simultaneously. It is going to help you some or the other day. But, if you want to be writing native code all the time and are passionate about it, find a job where you get to do such a thing. I did it. :)
It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini
I have that kind of job but you know I have migrated to C# and I told my Manager some reason for migration and now I can not change what I did, you know thank you, that you remind me that good days that I was coding in CPP untill 9m, my love, and feeling good
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
have a look at my reply to the question
Awesome post, exactly the reason why I wanted bookmarking extended to threads, and not only article.
A pleasure that you like my post. :)
It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini
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ZaoWuYa wrote:
Which is more important to the client, speed of application development (Developer productivity) versus speed of execution?
I wouldn't want a client who tells me what to write a program in - I must be suggesting which tools/languages to use. All I want from the client is the problem set, that is expected to be solved. For me, performance is always important (bearing in mind that a bad programmer can write an inefficient program in C++ too). I've said enough on this topic on the link provided in my other reply, so I don't want to discuss this now.
It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini
Sorry, I might not have been 100% clear here, but what I mean to say is that we should be using the most appropriate tool to get the job done (to acceptable quality) in the shortest amount of time. If the job is an embedded application, by all means stick to C / C++. If it is a desktop application, the overhead added by using a managed language is not human noticeable (a couple of milliseconds won't perturb the average user). For me the real benefit of using one of the .NET languages (particularly C#) is the productivity it provides me with, both in terms of the language itself, and now the tools supporting it. This is in turn then handed on to the customer, as they get their software sooner, and to a higher standard than if I had to write all the plumbing myself (I can guarantee, that microsoft has far more test engineers at their disposal than I ever will, and will most likely have developers smarter than me, no matter how much we love to hate MS when things go wrong).
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ya gimme a big hug thank you for your -> remainder but c# still thinks he is out of that but i have to use pointers in c# in that project, because of low speed of processing in an image processing part of that project ;)
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