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Zero based indexes seem to be kicking programmer's A**es even today. I am recently using a software package that allows row styles to be applied for even and odd rows. If you apply an even style the 1st, 3rd, 5th, ... row receives the style instead of the correct row 2, 4, 6 etc. It would seem to me that the programmer that designed the underlying code used the index of a zero based index to determine if the row was even or odd. So let me pose this question: Do you think the first row should be considered even or odd?
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In most grids, the first row has a row index of 0. So if you go by the indices, 0,2,4 etc. would be the even rows (which translate to 1st, 3rd, 5th rows from a human perspective). But since the styles are applied by the programmer this should be alright. On the other hand, if the app has an UI option that allows the end-user to set even and odd row styles, then the descriptive text should be swapped so the end user won't be confused. So if the user sets what he thinks is the even row style, internally we set the odd row, and vice-versa.
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Zero based indexes seem to be kicking programmer's A**es even today. I am recently using a software package that allows row styles to be applied for even and odd rows. If you apply an even style the 1st, 3rd, 5th, ... row receives the style instead of the correct row 2, 4, 6 etc. It would seem to me that the programmer that designed the underlying code used the index of a zero based index to determine if the row was even or odd. So let me pose this question: Do you think the first row should be considered even or odd?
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Odd.
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Users don't think in terms of zero-th row. It's only programmers who think that there is a row number zero. Usually what I consider row number 0 becomes row 1 for the user. I think that's what Ennis's point was.
That is different issue. I understood it to mean that Ennis, being the user from the other developer's point, would have to consider the first row what. But you are completely correct, trying to take the user's place would render the first row a "1".
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1 is odd. 0, 2, 4, 6 ... eleventyfour are even.
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Henry Minute wrote:
eleventyfour
I'd love to know how to render that in digits! :-D
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Henry Minute wrote:
eleventyfour
I'd love to know how to render that in digits! :-D
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I can't. It is one more than the highest number I know. :-D
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Zero based indexes seem to be kicking programmer's A**es even today. I am recently using a software package that allows row styles to be applied for even and odd rows. If you apply an even style the 1st, 3rd, 5th, ... row receives the style instead of the correct row 2, 4, 6 etc. It would seem to me that the programmer that designed the underlying code used the index of a zero based index to determine if the row was even or odd. So let me pose this question: Do you think the first row should be considered even or odd?
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While internally the zeroth row is even, it will likely display as the oneth row, which is odd, and that's all that matters. If you simply have an alternating pattern just to clearly delineate the rows, then it shouldn't matter which rows get which treatment.
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Mathematically the first row should have a style all of its own as Zero can't really be classed as either odd or even. It would make sense to style it as even though so that it had the contrasting style to row 1. Of course if you're going to allow the user a choice of what to do then you may end up asking the user what colour you want for the first third and fifth row etc and then set that to the even row style behind the scenes.
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as Zero can't really be classed as either odd or even
How not? I assume the "official" definition is the modulus 2, or somethign equivalent to it.
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While internally the zeroth row is even, it will likely display as the oneth row, which is odd, and that's all that matters. If you simply have an alternating pattern just to clearly delineate the rows, then it shouldn't matter which rows get which treatment.
It just irritated me that I set the even style and the tool applied it to odd rows.
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That is different issue. I understood it to mean that Ennis, being the user from the other developer's point, would have to consider the first row what. But you are completely correct, trying to take the user's place would render the first row a "1".
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Please ignore this. I'm using you as a guinea pig.
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I can't. It is one more than the highest number I know. :-D
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So show us eleventythree and we will work out how to add one to it... :omg:
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So show us eleventythree and we will work out how to add one to it... :omg:
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Please ignore this. I'm using you as a guinea pig.
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I understand that I'm hamster like in my behavior, but really, telling me that I'm fat by comparing a hamster to a guinea pig...? :(
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It just irritated me that I set the even style and the tool applied it to odd rows.
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Which odd rows? The displayed odd rows? That would be wrong. Or the rows which internally have odd indices, but which are displayed as even rows? That should be correct. I would think of it as the grid/list/whatever could have a line number (displayed at the left). The line numbers would be one-based. Which lines are getting the even-style?
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I understand that I'm hamster like in my behavior, but really, telling me that I'm fat by comparing a hamster to a guinea pig...? :(
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No, no, no. I was not saying you were like a guinea pig, only that I was using you like one. I was trying to reproduce a problem that I was having in the programming fora, where after replying to a post, I could no longer select other messages. Needless to say, I could not reproduce it. So you were even useless as a guinea pig! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Zero based indexes seem to be kicking programmer's A**es even today. I am recently using a software package that allows row styles to be applied for even and odd rows. If you apply an even style the 1st, 3rd, 5th, ... row receives the style instead of the correct row 2, 4, 6 etc. It would seem to me that the programmer that designed the underlying code used the index of a zero based index to determine if the row was even or odd. So let me pose this question: Do you think the first row should be considered even or odd?
Need custom software developed? I do C# development and consulting all over the United States. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane
Userland options should be written to reflect userland expectations. The first row is 1. If the setting is something that can only be changed by editing the registry key
HKLM\oh\my\god\worse\than\failure\all\is\not\dead\that\eternal\lies\row_styleusing zero for the first row isn't an issue in and of itself. You've got other far more serious problems anyway. :rolleyes:It is a truth universally acknowledged that a zombie in possession of brains must be in want of more brains. -- Pride and Prejudice and Zombies
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1 is odd. 0, 2, 4, 6 ... eleventyfour are even.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
My daughter has a DVD that is a pseudo-telling of 'The Lord of the Rings' called 'Lord of the Beans'. Bilbo's equivalent is celebrating his 'twelvetytwoth' birthday. So, in Middle Earth, eleventyfour is perfectly reasonable. But, more to the point, while the indices may start at 0 internally, visually, the first row displayed should be considered odd. Tim
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Which odd rows? The displayed odd rows? That would be wrong. Or the rows which internally have odd indices, but which are displayed as even rows? That should be correct. I would think of it as the grid/list/whatever could have a line number (displayed at the left). The line numbers would be one-based. Which lines are getting the even-style?
If I set the even style then the first, third, fifth, etc rows are being styled based on my settings. Which in my opinion is incredibly retarded. It should have been obvious that the item at index zero is the first item. I am starting to believe that modern programmers may not even know why arrays start at 0 anymore. (Ironically it was to make the math easier).
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My daughter has a DVD that is a pseudo-telling of 'The Lord of the Rings' called 'Lord of the Beans'. Bilbo's equivalent is celebrating his 'twelvetytwoth' birthday. So, in Middle Earth, eleventyfour is perfectly reasonable. But, more to the point, while the indices may start at 0 internally, visually, the first row displayed should be considered odd. Tim
Visually the first row should be considered odd, but mathematically 0 is the first positive even number, so if the first row shown is the zeroeth one it is both odd, as the first row, and even because it it is the zeroeth index. This anomaly is likely to cause a rift in the space-time continuum resulting in a Divide by Something or Other Exception.
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Zero based indexes seem to be kicking programmer's A**es even today. I am recently using a software package that allows row styles to be applied for even and odd rows. If you apply an even style the 1st, 3rd, 5th, ... row receives the style instead of the correct row 2, 4, 6 etc. It would seem to me that the programmer that designed the underlying code used the index of a zero based index to determine if the row was even or odd. So let me pose this question: Do you think the first row should be considered even or odd?
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If we consider the binary number representation it is SO obvious that the zero row is even. The fastest way to check if some number is odd or even is:
bool IsOdd = (RowNumber & 1);
Hence, because zero is 0x00000000 and two is 0x00000010 the both are odd numbers.
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If I set the even style then the first, third, fifth, etc rows are being styled based on my settings. Which in my opinion is incredibly retarded. It should have been obvious that the item at index zero is the first item. I am starting to believe that modern programmers may not even know why arrays start at 0 anymore. (Ironically it was to make the math easier).
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You're right; send them a scathing bug report.