Being bad at math
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Saying the first element in an array is an unambiguous statement. "On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." --Charles Babbage
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Henry Minute wrote:
eleventyfour
I'd love to know how to render that in digits! :-D
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Henry Minute wrote: eleventyfour I'd love to know how to render that in digits! Big Grin
0xB4 :cool:
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Zero based indexes seem to be kicking programmer's A**es even today. I am recently using a software package that allows row styles to be applied for even and odd rows. If you apply an even style the 1st, 3rd, 5th, ... row receives the style instead of the correct row 2, 4, 6 etc. It would seem to me that the programmer that designed the underlying code used the index of a zero based index to determine if the row was even or odd. So let me pose this question: Do you think the first row should be considered even or odd?
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How do you know there is a first row? ;)
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I understand that I'm hamster like in my behavior, but really, telling me that I'm fat by comparing a hamster to a guinea pig...? :(
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I understand that I'm hamster like in my behavior, but really, telling me that I'm fat by comparing a hamster to a guinea pig...?Frown
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Zero based indexes seem to be kicking programmer's A**es even today. I am recently using a software package that allows row styles to be applied for even and odd rows. If you apply an even style the 1st, 3rd, 5th, ... row receives the style instead of the correct row 2, 4, 6 etc. It would seem to me that the programmer that designed the underlying code used the index of a zero based index to determine if the row was even or odd. So let me pose this question: Do you think the first row should be considered even or odd?
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First row is definitely odd. 0 based indexes should rarely make it to end-user land.
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Saying the first element in an array is an unambiguous statement. "On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." --Charles Babbage
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"First" could mean many things in different contexts. As I recall, in Pascal, you can define an array in which the first index is -5 (for example). Which is why I say zeroth and oneth (or negative-fiveth) instead.
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Mathematically the first row should have a style all of its own as Zero can't really be classed as either odd or even. It would make sense to style it as even though so that it had the contrasting style to row 1. Of course if you're going to allow the user a choice of what to do then you may end up asking the user what colour you want for the first third and fifth row etc and then set that to the even row style behind the scenes.
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Russell Jones wrote:
as Zero can't really be classed as either odd or even
How not? I assume the "official" definition is the modulus 2, or somethign equivalent to it.
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Zero based indexes seem to be kicking programmer's A**es even today. I am recently using a software package that allows row styles to be applied for even and odd rows. If you apply an even style the 1st, 3rd, 5th, ... row receives the style instead of the correct row 2, 4, 6 etc. It would seem to me that the programmer that designed the underlying code used the index of a zero based index to determine if the row was even or odd. So let me pose this question: Do you think the first row should be considered even or odd?
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Despite being indexed with zero, there really is not a 'zeroth' row. The FIRST row has an index of zero. So, the question is, should the term 'Even Rows' apply to the row or its index? Debate all you want - but I would wager that the majority of implementations, and the majority of technical and non technical people, when presented with a list, would count the first row as one and, therefore, odd. So the implementation you are using is, I'd say, non standard and confusing. Which one is it?
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Zero based indexes seem to be kicking programmer's A**es even today. I am recently using a software package that allows row styles to be applied for even and odd rows. If you apply an even style the 1st, 3rd, 5th, ... row receives the style instead of the correct row 2, 4, 6 etc. It would seem to me that the programmer that designed the underlying code used the index of a zero based index to determine if the row was even or odd. So let me pose this question: Do you think the first row should be considered even or odd?
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x % 2 == 0 in general. x % 2 == 1 when dealing with humans. That's my general strategy. I think I have all bases covered!
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"Zero can't really be classed as either odd or even" This, in fact, is incorrect. Zero is even by all the properties of evenness.
Codemonkeys don't do it at all. Too busy coding.
I think I must have been having a mid afternoon brainfart. Russ
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That's a great article, thank you!
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Zero based indexes seem to be kicking programmer's A**es even today. I am recently using a software package that allows row styles to be applied for even and odd rows. If you apply an even style the 1st, 3rd, 5th, ... row receives the style instead of the correct row 2, 4, 6 etc. It would seem to me that the programmer that designed the underlying code used the index of a zero based index to determine if the row was even or odd. So let me pose this question: Do you think the first row should be considered even or odd?
Need custom software developed? I do C# development and consulting all over the United States. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane
Hmm Since 0 is not odd nor even from a math point of view, why not solve this problem by assuming a 0-th row can't exist? In fact row 0 is a bit strange if you think about it. So row 1 has the data of your datasource with index 0, and that's no problem in any algorithm. You just can solve it by adding 1 on your data which is indexed 0. Just make a note in the code comments. :laugh:
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Henry Minute wrote:
eleventyfour
I'd love to know how to render that in digits! :-D
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I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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No, no, no. I was not saying you were like a guinea pig, only that I was using you like one. I was trying to reproduce a problem that I was having in the programming fora, where after replying to a post, I could no longer select other messages. Needless to say, I could not reproduce it. So you were even useless as a guinea pig! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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<blockquote class="FQ"><div class="FQA">Henry Minute wrote:</div>So you were even useless as a guinea pig!</blockquote> I guess that makes up for calling him fat...
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Henry Minute wrote:
eleventyfour
I'd love to know how to render that in digits! :-D
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Henry Minute wrote: eleventyfour I'd love to know how to render that in digits!
Well... Let's see... if seventy is 70 then eleventy would be 110. If we count in Hexadecimal, "eleventy" would be 6E, so eleventyfour would be 72. And of course we have to use something with a higher base than ten, so I think hexadecimal would be the proper choice given that it is so widely used already, but I would not cry foul if you wanted to use a system with a base of eleven... or eleventy I guess. :-D
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SK Genius wrote:
But you can have negative zero as well!
Fine then, it's the first negative even number as well.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Henry Minute wrote: eleventyfour I'd love to know how to render that in digits!
Well... Let's see... if seventy is 70 then eleventy would be 110. If we count in Hexadecimal, "eleventy" would be 6E, so eleventyfour would be 72. And of course we have to use something with a higher base than ten, so I think hexadecimal would be the proper choice given that it is so widely used already, but I would not cry foul if you wanted to use a system with a base of eleven... or eleventy I guess. :-D
I think you have misunderstood. eleventyfour is the representation of the number to base 25!
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Zero based indexes seem to be kicking programmer's A**es even today. I am recently using a software package that allows row styles to be applied for even and odd rows. If you apply an even style the 1st, 3rd, 5th, ... row receives the style instead of the correct row 2, 4, 6 etc. It would seem to me that the programmer that designed the underlying code used the index of a zero based index to determine if the row was even or odd. So let me pose this question: Do you think the first row should be considered even or odd?
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Hello, Many times UIs are designed by developers. Usually this situation creates a design that follows the data instead of the User's needs/perception. I agree, it's irelevant whether the User understands the 1st row as row 0. To the User, it's the 1st row. 1 is always. Many times, great developers partner with UI designers to bridge the perception vs. behind-the-scenes infrastructure. It's always a good thing for developers to sit back and watch a complete stranger use their program... and take lots of notes. :)
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Zero based indexes seem to be kicking programmer's A**es even today. I am recently using a software package that allows row styles to be applied for even and odd rows. If you apply an even style the 1st, 3rd, 5th, ... row receives the style instead of the correct row 2, 4, 6 etc. It would seem to me that the programmer that designed the underlying code used the index of a zero based index to determine if the row was even or odd. So let me pose this question: Do you think the first row should be considered even or odd?
Need custom software developed? I do C# development and consulting all over the United States. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane
Hello, Many times UIs are designed by developers. Usually this situation creates a design that follows the data instead of the User's needs/perception. I agree, it's irrelevant whether the User understands the 1st row as row 0. To the User, it's the 1st row. 1 is always odd. Many times, great developers partner with UI designers to bridge the perception vs. behind-the-scenes infrastructure. It's always a good thing for developers to sit back and watch a complete stranger use their program... and take lots of notes. :)