"Too Good" at my current Role
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Here I am in my job of 6 years, just been overlooked after applying for promotion because I am "Too good" at my current role (Managements words not mine). Has anyone ever had this in their job? Its frustrating for me as I have been here for 6yrs now and was assured the potential of career progression when I joined, I have about 10yrs experience in the field of Software Development, including Project Management And Team Leading and I feel now is the time to set myself a fresh challenge in a more managerial position. I am starting to wonder if its the company as people around me in other departments are getting management roles and then a few months later getting kicked out of those roles because they are useless.. The buzz word going round here is you are "moved into management if you are useless at your current job" The question is in these recession times do I stay? or do I go?
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Here I am in my job of 6 years, just been overlooked after applying for promotion because I am "Too good" at my current role (Managements words not mine). Has anyone ever had this in their job? Its frustrating for me as I have been here for 6yrs now and was assured the potential of career progression when I joined, I have about 10yrs experience in the field of Software Development, including Project Management And Team Leading and I feel now is the time to set myself a fresh challenge in a more managerial position. I am starting to wonder if its the company as people around me in other departments are getting management roles and then a few months later getting kicked out of those roles because they are useless.. The buzz word going round here is you are "moved into management if you are useless at your current job" The question is in these recession times do I stay? or do I go?
I think somebody is being dishonest with you. GriffinPeter wrote: The buzz word going round here is you are "moved into management if you are useless at your current job" I would have believed this a few years ago, but in this economy people who are useless are getting laid off. If you want to advance in your career and they have not promoted you in six years, you should start looking. You already have an excellent answer when asked why you are looking...
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Raise = no chance at the moment im afraid, due to economic conditions we are all being asked to take a pay cut plus loose other benefits.
GriffinPeter wrote:
due to economic conditions we are all being asked to take a pay cut plus loose other benefits.
True, try stick it out for while till something lucrative comes up.
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Here I am in my job of 6 years, just been overlooked after applying for promotion because I am "Too good" at my current role (Managements words not mine). Has anyone ever had this in their job? Its frustrating for me as I have been here for 6yrs now and was assured the potential of career progression when I joined, I have about 10yrs experience in the field of Software Development, including Project Management And Team Leading and I feel now is the time to set myself a fresh challenge in a more managerial position. I am starting to wonder if its the company as people around me in other departments are getting management roles and then a few months later getting kicked out of those roles because they are useless.. The buzz word going round here is you are "moved into management if you are useless at your current job" The question is in these recession times do I stay? or do I go?
GriffinPeter wrote:
...just been overlooked after applying for promotion because I am "Too good" at my current role (Managements words not mine).
Maybe they are keeping you from being hit by the Peter Principle.
"Old age is like a bank account. You withdraw later in life what you have deposited along the way." - Unknown
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
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Here I am in my job of 6 years, just been overlooked after applying for promotion because I am "Too good" at my current role (Managements words not mine). Has anyone ever had this in their job? Its frustrating for me as I have been here for 6yrs now and was assured the potential of career progression when I joined, I have about 10yrs experience in the field of Software Development, including Project Management And Team Leading and I feel now is the time to set myself a fresh challenge in a more managerial position. I am starting to wonder if its the company as people around me in other departments are getting management roles and then a few months later getting kicked out of those roles because they are useless.. The buzz word going round here is you are "moved into management if you are useless at your current job" The question is in these recession times do I stay? or do I go?
As just a counterpoint, this is also a method companies use to get people to quit. Another method is to "promote" them to a truly useless, powerless position. Regardless, I wouldn't walk--I'd just start looking for other jobs. Gotta keep that paycheck.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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GriffinPeter wrote:
...just been overlooked after applying for promotion because I am "Too good" at my current role (Managements words not mine).
Maybe they are keeping you from being hit by the Peter Principle.
"Old age is like a bank account. You withdraw later in life what you have deposited along the way." - Unknown
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
I prefer the Dilbert Principle for some of the decisions here lately http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilbert_Principle[^]
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Here I am in my job of 6 years, just been overlooked after applying for promotion because I am "Too good" at my current role (Managements words not mine). Has anyone ever had this in their job? Its frustrating for me as I have been here for 6yrs now and was assured the potential of career progression when I joined, I have about 10yrs experience in the field of Software Development, including Project Management And Team Leading and I feel now is the time to set myself a fresh challenge in a more managerial position. I am starting to wonder if its the company as people around me in other departments are getting management roles and then a few months later getting kicked out of those roles because they are useless.. The buzz word going round here is you are "moved into management if you are useless at your current job" The question is in these recession times do I stay? or do I go?
GriffinPeter wrote:
The question is in these recession times do I stay? or do I go?
You look. That was a laconic answer for you :)
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As just a counterpoint, this is also a method companies use to get people to quit. Another method is to "promote" them to a truly useless, powerless position. Regardless, I wouldn't walk--I'd just start looking for other jobs. Gotta keep that paycheck.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
Dont worry im not walking unless I have something to walk into.. Got Family to support.. Mind u Volunentary redundancy is being offered to all in the business, but that is just paying the statatory minimum which is rubbish
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Here I am in my job of 6 years, just been overlooked after applying for promotion because I am "Too good" at my current role (Managements words not mine). Has anyone ever had this in their job? Its frustrating for me as I have been here for 6yrs now and was assured the potential of career progression when I joined, I have about 10yrs experience in the field of Software Development, including Project Management And Team Leading and I feel now is the time to set myself a fresh challenge in a more managerial position. I am starting to wonder if its the company as people around me in other departments are getting management roles and then a few months later getting kicked out of those roles because they are useless.. The buzz word going round here is you are "moved into management if you are useless at your current job" The question is in these recession times do I stay? or do I go?
GriffinPeter wrote:
The question is in these recession times do I stay? or do I go?
As many others have said, I would start looking for a new job elsewhere. You're the only one who has any concern for your best interests, and while an employer will sometimes help you along that path, it is ultimately up to you to decide how best to proceed through your career and make it happen. If your employer isn't willing to help you along your chosen path, then that's their loss. That said, in these times, don't leave your current position until you have something else secured. Also, don't even give them a hint that you're thinking about leaving or you might end up on the short list to be downsized.
GriffinPeter wrote:
I am starting to wonder if its the company as people around me in other departments are getting management roles and then a few months later getting kicked out of those roles because they are useless.. The buzz word going round here is you are "moved into management if you are useless at your current job"
There is a saying that people rise to the level of their incompetence. The older I get, the more I find that that is true. :laugh: Ed
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I want a fresh challenge, I want the responsibilities that come with a management role, the thrill of building moulding and working with a team to achieve a goal. These days I feel i am reduced to being a code monkey sitting here typing code all day with the odd project to manage when there is one. I dont care what the job title is (it could be Chief Tea Architect) as long as it gives me the challenge and goals i need to fufill my ambitions.
I can understand that, being in management for several years. I'd suggest looking for other opportunities elsewhere. I would also express my desires to my current supervisor, if you haven't already. Set that expectation with them, express your feeling and thoughts, and then when you do find a better opportunity, it won't be a surprise.
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Here I am in my job of 6 years, just been overlooked after applying for promotion because I am "Too good" at my current role (Managements words not mine). Has anyone ever had this in their job? Its frustrating for me as I have been here for 6yrs now and was assured the potential of career progression when I joined, I have about 10yrs experience in the field of Software Development, including Project Management And Team Leading and I feel now is the time to set myself a fresh challenge in a more managerial position. I am starting to wonder if its the company as people around me in other departments are getting management roles and then a few months later getting kicked out of those roles because they are useless.. The buzz word going round here is you are "moved into management if you are useless at your current job" The question is in these recession times do I stay? or do I go?
IMHO I would just stick it out for now. the economy isn't great right now and at least you have a job in about a year when things have picked up and you still have a job I would look then but now my advice would be to stick tight. better the devil you have then nothing at all. Plus if you join a new company even at a better postion first in... and there are no safe company right now(except the government which seems to be making hand over first judging by MP's expense!)!
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Here I am in my job of 6 years, just been overlooked after applying for promotion because I am "Too good" at my current role (Managements words not mine). Has anyone ever had this in their job? Its frustrating for me as I have been here for 6yrs now and was assured the potential of career progression when I joined, I have about 10yrs experience in the field of Software Development, including Project Management And Team Leading and I feel now is the time to set myself a fresh challenge in a more managerial position. I am starting to wonder if its the company as people around me in other departments are getting management roles and then a few months later getting kicked out of those roles because they are useless.. The buzz word going round here is you are "moved into management if you are useless at your current job" The question is in these recession times do I stay? or do I go?
Good employees are always in demand regardless of the economy. If you have six months of savings go to your boss and demand a compensation increase commensurate with the position you didn't receive and if not satisfied walk. If you don't have the cash then grin and bear it till you do.
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GriffinPeter wrote:
The question is in these recession times do I stay? or do I go?
You look. That was a laconic answer for you :)
Yeah, i think the sequence is: - look (SECRETLY!) - find - demand - THEN comes the if (stay or go) but, as for why anyone would WANT to go into management... (unless you're self employed) well, that's wayyy beyond my comprehension... Your tools switch to msword, msexcel, mspowerpoint and msproject... Your days turn into a series of boring meetings... EEYUCK !! Just give me the so called boring code monkey position over THAT... In my spare time, I'll work on a REAL product. ...Steve http://pianocheater.com[^]
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Yeah, i think the sequence is: - look (SECRETLY!) - find - demand - THEN comes the if (stay or go) but, as for why anyone would WANT to go into management... (unless you're self employed) well, that's wayyy beyond my comprehension... Your tools switch to msword, msexcel, mspowerpoint and msproject... Your days turn into a series of boring meetings... EEYUCK !! Just give me the so called boring code monkey position over THAT... In my spare time, I'll work on a REAL product. ...Steve http://pianocheater.com[^]
Steve Hazel wrote:
but, as for why anyone would WANT to go into management... (unless you're self employed) well, that's wayyy beyond my comprehension...
...better that the nuts volunteer for it than people like you or I get drafted. The last thing we should do is try and talk them out of it. :-D
It is a truth universally acknowledged that a zombie in possession of brains must be in want of more brains. -- Pride and Prejudice and Zombies
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Steve Hazel wrote:
but, as for why anyone would WANT to go into management... (unless you're self employed) well, that's wayyy beyond my comprehension...
...better that the nuts volunteer for it than people like you or I get drafted. The last thing we should do is try and talk them out of it. :-D
It is a truth universally acknowledged that a zombie in possession of brains must be in want of more brains. -- Pride and Prejudice and Zombies
Very good point! I'll have to keep that in mind.
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Well, I'm wondering if they are paying you for being "Too Good"? Titles are cheap, you can call yourself just about everything under the sun, it's just a term, but are they paying you for what YOU feel you're worth? Next, do you want the responsibilities that come with that position, and truly want to move away from programming, or do you want to continue to do what it is you're now doing, but with "Management" wrapped around it? If it's just the money, go out and have a name tag for your desk made up that say "Lead Programmer" or "Super Senior Software Engineer/Supervisor" and go about your business (eventually they'll actually start calling you that). If it's the responsibilities of management you're after, look elsewhere. Good Luck.
I am so going to do that, but use "Jedi Master" instead. I did something like this when I was working in the kitchen. I took the Title "Night Demon". this was in ony younger days where I worked during the nights, slept during the days, and was "summoned" frequently. During my previous employment at a service Desk I was "Vista Dude" as we had "Mac Man" and "Ubuntu guy". To the original Poster; If your getting the pay upgrade but no "career" level up, I would be keeping an eye on other places or like one guy suggested let managment know that you would be the right placement for another spot. worse off, there is another pasture. Hope all goes well. Awesome comment from the guy about the monkeys on acid.
Zhat wrote:
If it's just the money, go out and have a name tag for your desk made up that say "Lead Programmer" or "Super Senior Software Engineer/Supervisor" and go about your business (eventually they'll actually start calling you that). If it's the responsibilities of management you're after, look elsewhere.
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Here I am in my job of 6 years, just been overlooked after applying for promotion because I am "Too good" at my current role (Managements words not mine). Has anyone ever had this in their job? Its frustrating for me as I have been here for 6yrs now and was assured the potential of career progression when I joined, I have about 10yrs experience in the field of Software Development, including Project Management And Team Leading and I feel now is the time to set myself a fresh challenge in a more managerial position. I am starting to wonder if its the company as people around me in other departments are getting management roles and then a few months later getting kicked out of those roles because they are useless.. The buzz word going round here is you are "moved into management if you are useless at your current job" The question is in these recession times do I stay? or do I go?
Depends on how approachable management are, but I'd suggest that you work together to move you into a management position over the next, say, two years. If you are genuinely too good at your current role, then you leaving (the implied alternative) would leave them in a much bigger hole than you handing over over a period of time, while moving into another role where the company gains by your experience, without gambling on your abilities in a new role. Personally, when I have employed people who are invaluable, I have tried to ensure they are happy in teh role (more money helps, but also role flexibility). Oftentimes people jsut want to 'be promoted'; because that is showing them that the company thinks highly of them - many a developer is a crap manager (although, to be fair, many a manager is a crap manager). Looking at it fromthe comapny's perspective, employing someone as a manager with little management experience is a gamble - so if you can discuss with them ways of reducing the odds (suggest you attend management training courses, spend 1/2 day a week 'seconded' to your current manager, or the manager form a different department. When I first moved into a management role, despite being assured by all that I was a good manager, I really (really!) missed the hands-on role and moved back to a development role as soon as I could. Bear in mind you may feel the same way - so making themove slowly, wioth teh comapny's belessing can assure you of a long and fruitful relationship. Of course, if your current employer doesn't want to negotiate, make sure you have another role befor ejumping ship and then, when you resign, don't fall into the temptation of staying when they suddenly promise you more manegerial position.
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