Skills list - too many buzzwords
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I'm currently looking through CVs and I keep coming across the same pattern. The candidate says they have 3-5 years experience, and then goes on to list their skills and the list will include pretty much every major language and tool. One example, this current one I'm reading has been in development for 5 years since uni and claims to know: C#, VB.net, VB6, C, Java, ASP.net, PHP, Perl, JavaScript, HTML, CSS, XML, XSLT, SQL server, T-SQL, mySql (And I'm missing out all the tools and more minor script languages he's got listed) I'm sorry, but "C#, VB.net, VB6, C, Java, ASP.net and PHP", I don't believe in 5 years you can learn all of them to an expert level. Yeah you can can have a basic understanding of each, but not to a high level. I've been a developer 3.5 years now, and I would consider myself very experienced with C#, and I know a varying amount of the others (expect PHP X| ) but not to the same standard I know C#. It actually puts me off these kind of guys because I have to make the assumption they only know 1 or 2 from their list to a high level, and the others are just CV padding, but without knowing which are padding I can't recommend we proceed with a guy who could be a PHP developer with just a bit of C# knowledge when what we want is a C# developer. I don't know who you are I only have a candidate number, but if your reading this and your CV is like I'm describing take a hint here, It's putting me off. I'm interested to know what other people think about this?
Simon
Simon Stevens wrote:
I'm interested to know what other people think about this?
I would suggest this [^] to the candidate. :)
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I'm currently looking through CVs and I keep coming across the same pattern. The candidate says they have 3-5 years experience, and then goes on to list their skills and the list will include pretty much every major language and tool. One example, this current one I'm reading has been in development for 5 years since uni and claims to know: C#, VB.net, VB6, C, Java, ASP.net, PHP, Perl, JavaScript, HTML, CSS, XML, XSLT, SQL server, T-SQL, mySql (And I'm missing out all the tools and more minor script languages he's got listed) I'm sorry, but "C#, VB.net, VB6, C, Java, ASP.net and PHP", I don't believe in 5 years you can learn all of them to an expert level. Yeah you can can have a basic understanding of each, but not to a high level. I've been a developer 3.5 years now, and I would consider myself very experienced with C#, and I know a varying amount of the others (expect PHP X| ) but not to the same standard I know C#. It actually puts me off these kind of guys because I have to make the assumption they only know 1 or 2 from their list to a high level, and the others are just CV padding, but without knowing which are padding I can't recommend we proceed with a guy who could be a PHP developer with just a bit of C# knowledge when what we want is a C# developer. I don't know who you are I only have a candidate number, but if your reading this and your CV is like I'm describing take a hint here, It's putting me off. I'm interested to know what other people think about this?
Simon
I think there's two categories they fall in. Either they've just wanted to pad the CV, or they really do have some knowledge of all these languages, and over 3-5 years that would spread them very thin, potentially placing them at a "good level" of experience in none of these areas. But hey, what do I know :) I'm just coming up to 2 years out of uni. I've done all sorts here and during my time since uni, but I wouldn't list everything I'd done in one block.
He who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man
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I'm currently looking through CVs and I keep coming across the same pattern. The candidate says they have 3-5 years experience, and then goes on to list their skills and the list will include pretty much every major language and tool. One example, this current one I'm reading has been in development for 5 years since uni and claims to know: C#, VB.net, VB6, C, Java, ASP.net, PHP, Perl, JavaScript, HTML, CSS, XML, XSLT, SQL server, T-SQL, mySql (And I'm missing out all the tools and more minor script languages he's got listed) I'm sorry, but "C#, VB.net, VB6, C, Java, ASP.net and PHP", I don't believe in 5 years you can learn all of them to an expert level. Yeah you can can have a basic understanding of each, but not to a high level. I've been a developer 3.5 years now, and I would consider myself very experienced with C#, and I know a varying amount of the others (expect PHP X| ) but not to the same standard I know C#. It actually puts me off these kind of guys because I have to make the assumption they only know 1 or 2 from their list to a high level, and the others are just CV padding, but without knowing which are padding I can't recommend we proceed with a guy who could be a PHP developer with just a bit of C# knowledge when what we want is a C# developer. I don't know who you are I only have a candidate number, but if your reading this and your CV is like I'm describing take a hint here, It's putting me off. I'm interested to know what other people think about this?
Simon
I have written compilers in SPL on Primos - I bet many others don't have that on their CV - I am not even sure why I do - it won't be getting me a job any time soon.
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I'm currently looking through CVs and I keep coming across the same pattern. The candidate says they have 3-5 years experience, and then goes on to list their skills and the list will include pretty much every major language and tool. One example, this current one I'm reading has been in development for 5 years since uni and claims to know: C#, VB.net, VB6, C, Java, ASP.net, PHP, Perl, JavaScript, HTML, CSS, XML, XSLT, SQL server, T-SQL, mySql (And I'm missing out all the tools and more minor script languages he's got listed) I'm sorry, but "C#, VB.net, VB6, C, Java, ASP.net and PHP", I don't believe in 5 years you can learn all of them to an expert level. Yeah you can can have a basic understanding of each, but not to a high level. I've been a developer 3.5 years now, and I would consider myself very experienced with C#, and I know a varying amount of the others (expect PHP X| ) but not to the same standard I know C#. It actually puts me off these kind of guys because I have to make the assumption they only know 1 or 2 from their list to a high level, and the others are just CV padding, but without knowing which are padding I can't recommend we proceed with a guy who could be a PHP developer with just a bit of C# knowledge when what we want is a C# developer. I don't know who you are I only have a candidate number, but if your reading this and your CV is like I'm describing take a hint here, It's putting me off. I'm interested to know what other people think about this?
Simon
I can't remember exactly what my CV says but I think I could justifiably claim a similar skillset. Since graduating 6 years ago I have worked with perl, c, c++, vb6, php and c# and I would consider myself highly competent at half of those and capable of getting by with the other half. I am of the opinion that if a person can program well in one language they can probably pick up other, similarly-structured languages fairly easily. I started my current job with almost no knowledge of c# but a good understanding of similar languages and the underlying concepts and it took very little time for me to pick up the required knowledge. I'm no expert obviously but I'm perfectly capable of performing any task required for my job. I can understand why you would be wary of someone simply reeling off a list of technologies, but I would say that if they can demonstrate an understanding of concepts and an ability to write code in one of the languages they can probably manage the others, or at least pick them up fairly quickly (with the possible exceptions of c and c++ where there are numerous traps and pitfalls that only an experienced developer can avoid).
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I'm currently looking through CVs and I keep coming across the same pattern. The candidate says they have 3-5 years experience, and then goes on to list their skills and the list will include pretty much every major language and tool. One example, this current one I'm reading has been in development for 5 years since uni and claims to know: C#, VB.net, VB6, C, Java, ASP.net, PHP, Perl, JavaScript, HTML, CSS, XML, XSLT, SQL server, T-SQL, mySql (And I'm missing out all the tools and more minor script languages he's got listed) I'm sorry, but "C#, VB.net, VB6, C, Java, ASP.net and PHP", I don't believe in 5 years you can learn all of them to an expert level. Yeah you can can have a basic understanding of each, but not to a high level. I've been a developer 3.5 years now, and I would consider myself very experienced with C#, and I know a varying amount of the others (expect PHP X| ) but not to the same standard I know C#. It actually puts me off these kind of guys because I have to make the assumption they only know 1 or 2 from their list to a high level, and the others are just CV padding, but without knowing which are padding I can't recommend we proceed with a guy who could be a PHP developer with just a bit of C# knowledge when what we want is a C# developer. I don't know who you are I only have a candidate number, but if your reading this and your CV is like I'm describing take a hint here, It's putting me off. I'm interested to know what other people think about this?
Simon
The reason why you have many keywords in is to get picked up by headhunter scans. Also to get picked up by people who need someone who can wear many hats. I can see why its putting you off- but their error is in not knowing how to get a job not in not knowing how to program. Which ain't a bad thing in a programmer. Especially if you want them staying for a while. The last thing you want is the paper tigers. Lots of ability to put it in their resume but no ability to deliver. Part of the problem here is that they don't know their own level no matter how much they think they do. What procedure do you use for phone interviews, and vetting the candidate before they get to an in-person interview?
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That reminds me, need to update my CV. Remove the technologies I have left behind and focus on the more recent knowledges I have.
Stuart Jeffery wrote:
Remove the technologies I have left behind
Yes, that's exactly what needs to be done with a lot of the CVs I'm reading. The problem is it makes it hard to tell which skills are new and current and which are older.
Simon
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I can't remember exactly what my CV says but I think I could justifiably claim a similar skillset. Since graduating 6 years ago I have worked with perl, c, c++, vb6, php and c# and I would consider myself highly competent at half of those and capable of getting by with the other half. I am of the opinion that if a person can program well in one language they can probably pick up other, similarly-structured languages fairly easily. I started my current job with almost no knowledge of c# but a good understanding of similar languages and the underlying concepts and it took very little time for me to pick up the required knowledge. I'm no expert obviously but I'm perfectly capable of performing any task required for my job. I can understand why you would be wary of someone simply reeling off a list of technologies, but I would say that if they can demonstrate an understanding of concepts and an ability to write code in one of the languages they can probably manage the others, or at least pick them up fairly quickly (with the possible exceptions of c and c++ where there are numerous traps and pitfalls that only an experienced developer can avoid).
danmartin9581 wrote:
perl, c, c++, vb6, php and c# and I would consider myself highly competent at half of those and capable of getting by with the other half.
Which is fair enough, but you would somehow note that on your CV, perhaps by dividing them into "expert level" and "intermediate level" categories. I could reel off a similar list myself, but only the top 2-3 would be part of the primary focus on my CV, others would just be under some kind of "other skill" section.
Simon
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The reason why you have many keywords in is to get picked up by headhunter scans. Also to get picked up by people who need someone who can wear many hats. I can see why its putting you off- but their error is in not knowing how to get a job not in not knowing how to program. Which ain't a bad thing in a programmer. Especially if you want them staying for a while. The last thing you want is the paper tigers. Lots of ability to put it in their resume but no ability to deliver. Part of the problem here is that they don't know their own level no matter how much they think they do. What procedure do you use for phone interviews, and vetting the candidate before they get to an in-person interview?
_____________________________ Give a man a mug, he drinks for a day Teach a man to mug... -Scott M.
smcnulty2000 wrote:
The reason why you have many keywords in is to get picked up by headhunter scans.
True. I hate recruiters. If I ever get to run my own revolution, they will be the first people against the wall. Followed closely by people who "don't believe in evolution" - It's not a fricking religion, you can't choose to believe in it or not, it's not a matter of faith, there is proof...anyway...sorry...not the place for this perhaps...
smcnulty2000 wrote:
What procedure do you use for phone interviews, and vetting the candidate before they get to an in-person interview?
It's the first time I've done this and it's pretty much up to me. The company doesn't generally do phone interviews, but I think I will probably want to do a brief one to try and save me wasting interview time on rubbish people.
Simon
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I think there's two categories they fall in. Either they've just wanted to pad the CV, or they really do have some knowledge of all these languages, and over 3-5 years that would spread them very thin, potentially placing them at a "good level" of experience in none of these areas. But hey, what do I know :) I'm just coming up to 2 years out of uni. I've done all sorts here and during my time since uni, but I wouldn't list everything I'd done in one block.
He who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man
Phannon wrote:
I've done all sorts here and during my time since uni, but I wouldn't list everything I'd done in one block.
I think that's it exactly.
Simon
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The reason why you have many keywords in is to get picked up by headhunter scans. Also to get picked up by people who need someone who can wear many hats. I can see why its putting you off- but their error is in not knowing how to get a job not in not knowing how to program. Which ain't a bad thing in a programmer. Especially if you want them staying for a while. The last thing you want is the paper tigers. Lots of ability to put it in their resume but no ability to deliver. Part of the problem here is that they don't know their own level no matter how much they think they do. What procedure do you use for phone interviews, and vetting the candidate before they get to an in-person interview?
_____________________________ Give a man a mug, he drinks for a day Teach a man to mug... -Scott M.
smcnulty2000 wrote:
but their error is in not knowing how to get a job not in not knowing how to program
That has always bugged me, I've been a contractor for 15 years and am reasonably skilled at the interview and presentation stage but getting in the door past the idiot headhunter and the HR twat who can only check off the boxes is always a problem. Thankfully the last 2 contracts 2 and 5 yrs have been recalls to old clients which bypass HR and the agencies. I once held a job open for 2 days when hiring, waiting for a candidate to interview, B/C a CV I had was excellent, the guy that turned up was an idiot, the job went to one of the least likely CVs but an excellent developer.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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I'm currently looking through CVs and I keep coming across the same pattern. The candidate says they have 3-5 years experience, and then goes on to list their skills and the list will include pretty much every major language and tool. One example, this current one I'm reading has been in development for 5 years since uni and claims to know: C#, VB.net, VB6, C, Java, ASP.net, PHP, Perl, JavaScript, HTML, CSS, XML, XSLT, SQL server, T-SQL, mySql (And I'm missing out all the tools and more minor script languages he's got listed) I'm sorry, but "C#, VB.net, VB6, C, Java, ASP.net and PHP", I don't believe in 5 years you can learn all of them to an expert level. Yeah you can can have a basic understanding of each, but not to a high level. I've been a developer 3.5 years now, and I would consider myself very experienced with C#, and I know a varying amount of the others (expect PHP X| ) but not to the same standard I know C#. It actually puts me off these kind of guys because I have to make the assumption they only know 1 or 2 from their list to a high level, and the others are just CV padding, but without knowing which are padding I can't recommend we proceed with a guy who could be a PHP developer with just a bit of C# knowledge when what we want is a C# developer. I don't know who you are I only have a candidate number, but if your reading this and your CV is like I'm describing take a hint here, It's putting me off. I'm interested to know what other people think about this?
Simon
Simon Stevens wrote:
I'm interested to know what other people think about this?
I think you're looking at it wrong. Odds are low they know ANY of those things, well, if they put them all. VB6 has been DEAD for more than 5 years. I was always brutally honest about my skillset when I was going for jobs, and I got every one I went for. Being honest was, I think, a big part of that. If I said I knew something, then I knew it well enough to nail any question I got asked. If I said 'I know a bit about this, but I can learn more if I need to', then that was another matter, but I NEVER made myself look bad.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
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Simon Stevens wrote:
I'm interested to know what other people think about this?
I think you're looking at it wrong. Odds are low they know ANY of those things, well, if they put them all. VB6 has been DEAD for more than 5 years. I was always brutally honest about my skillset when I was going for jobs, and I got every one I went for. Being honest was, I think, a big part of that. If I said I knew something, then I knew it well enough to nail any question I got asked. If I said 'I know a bit about this, but I can learn more if I need to', then that was another matter, but I NEVER made myself look bad.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
Christian Graus wrote:
I was always brutally honest about my skillset when I was going for jobs...If I said I knew something, then I knew it well enough to nail any question I got asked
This is exactly the approach I have taken in the past. (And I've also got every job, but being quite new that's only 2 so far)
Christian Graus wrote:
Odds are low they know ANY of those things, well, if they put them all
True.
Christian Graus wrote:
VB6 has been DEAD for more than 5 years
We still have apps to maintain in VB6. We don't write anything new in VB6 (and extensions to the existing VB apps are considered either as a rewrite in C#, or a C# dll extension - new VB6 code must be absolutely minimal), but I'm not scrapping thousands of lines of code that have worked well for years just because the IDE isn't supported any more. We've still got a VBdos app that's running fine, my colleague recently re-installed it on a new windows XP machine because the old 286 it was running on packed up and it's still running fine. (But yeah, I probably wouldn't put VB6 on my CV any more, although I am fairly good with it)
Simon
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Christian Graus wrote:
I was always brutally honest about my skillset when I was going for jobs...If I said I knew something, then I knew it well enough to nail any question I got asked
This is exactly the approach I have taken in the past. (And I've also got every job, but being quite new that's only 2 so far)
Christian Graus wrote:
Odds are low they know ANY of those things, well, if they put them all
True.
Christian Graus wrote:
VB6 has been DEAD for more than 5 years
We still have apps to maintain in VB6. We don't write anything new in VB6 (and extensions to the existing VB apps are considered either as a rewrite in C#, or a C# dll extension - new VB6 code must be absolutely minimal), but I'm not scrapping thousands of lines of code that have worked well for years just because the IDE isn't supported any more. We've still got a VBdos app that's running fine, my colleague recently re-installed it on a new windows XP machine because the old 286 it was running on packed up and it's still running fine. (But yeah, I probably wouldn't put VB6 on my CV any more, although I am fairly good with it)
Simon
Simon Stevens wrote:
(But yeah, I probably wouldn't put VB6 on my CV any more, although I am fairly good with it)
Yes, that is my only point. Who spent the last 5 years becoming a VB6 expert ? No-one I'd want to hire.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
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smcnulty2000 wrote:
The reason why you have many keywords in is to get picked up by headhunter scans.
True. I hate recruiters. If I ever get to run my own revolution, they will be the first people against the wall. Followed closely by people who "don't believe in evolution" - It's not a fricking religion, you can't choose to believe in it or not, it's not a matter of faith, there is proof...anyway...sorry...not the place for this perhaps...
smcnulty2000 wrote:
What procedure do you use for phone interviews, and vetting the candidate before they get to an in-person interview?
It's the first time I've done this and it's pretty much up to me. The company doesn't generally do phone interviews, but I think I will probably want to do a brief one to try and save me wasting interview time on rubbish people.
Simon
How could I not agree about recruiters? I work with them a lot and they love to be your pal up until they don't need you any more. I could rant about those 'tools' for a bit. Anyway... I don't see any way to avoid phone interviews if you want a good set of candidates for the face-to-face. I'd confront them with the very question you put to us: "Okay, candidate, you have five years experience and you have this long list of skills that you claim to know. How can you be expert at these given you've only had five years?" After some hemming and hawing you say; "Okay, I understand, but which of these would you rate as your best, second best and third best? And why?" You'll likely get some who would be highly qualified to do something else rather than just genuine grot. They just applied for the wrong job. I think you can sort out the people that don't fit, the idiots, and the quality people pretty quick. And keep in mind that some excellent people don't respond well to interview stress, so cut 'em a little slack on that account.
_____________________________ Give a man a mug, he drinks for a day Teach a man to mug... -Scott M.
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Simon Stevens wrote:
(But yeah, I probably wouldn't put VB6 on my CV any more, although I am fairly good with it)
Yes, that is my only point. Who spent the last 5 years becoming a VB6 expert ? No-one I'd want to hire.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
Oh I get you now. :doh:
Simon
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I'm currently looking through CVs and I keep coming across the same pattern. The candidate says they have 3-5 years experience, and then goes on to list their skills and the list will include pretty much every major language and tool. One example, this current one I'm reading has been in development for 5 years since uni and claims to know: C#, VB.net, VB6, C, Java, ASP.net, PHP, Perl, JavaScript, HTML, CSS, XML, XSLT, SQL server, T-SQL, mySql (And I'm missing out all the tools and more minor script languages he's got listed) I'm sorry, but "C#, VB.net, VB6, C, Java, ASP.net and PHP", I don't believe in 5 years you can learn all of them to an expert level. Yeah you can can have a basic understanding of each, but not to a high level. I've been a developer 3.5 years now, and I would consider myself very experienced with C#, and I know a varying amount of the others (expect PHP X| ) but not to the same standard I know C#. It actually puts me off these kind of guys because I have to make the assumption they only know 1 or 2 from their list to a high level, and the others are just CV padding, but without knowing which are padding I can't recommend we proceed with a guy who could be a PHP developer with just a bit of C# knowledge when what we want is a C# developer. I don't know who you are I only have a candidate number, but if your reading this and your CV is like I'm describing take a hint here, It's putting me off. I'm interested to know what other people think about this?
Simon
Simon Stevens wrote:
C#, VB.net, VB6, C, Java, ASP.net, PHP, Perl, JavaScript, HTML, CSS, XML, XSLT, SQL server, T-SQL, mySql
How would you like to see those skills presented, if they are competant in most? Would you summarise SQL Server, T-SQL and MySQL as SQL? Or have a seperate sentance saying that I have used serveral Databases which include ... Displaying the skills in subjects, such as Desktop Development and Web Development, would this be more preferable and easier to read? In all honesty, on my CV I do list generally most languages (summarised) I know as I personally think that it is good to appear versatile to an employer.
My failometer has shot off the end of the scale! I seem to have misplaced my ban button.. no wait... found it!
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smcnulty2000 wrote:
The reason why you have many keywords in is to get picked up by headhunter scans.
True. I hate recruiters. If I ever get to run my own revolution, they will be the first people against the wall. Followed closely by people who "don't believe in evolution" - It's not a fricking religion, you can't choose to believe in it or not, it's not a matter of faith, there is proof...anyway...sorry...not the place for this perhaps...
smcnulty2000 wrote:
What procedure do you use for phone interviews, and vetting the candidate before they get to an in-person interview?
It's the first time I've done this and it's pretty much up to me. The company doesn't generally do phone interviews, but I think I will probably want to do a brief one to try and save me wasting interview time on rubbish people.
Simon
Simon Stevens wrote:
they will be the first people against the wall
Can I suggest you use HR to hold them there?
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
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I'm currently looking through CVs and I keep coming across the same pattern. The candidate says they have 3-5 years experience, and then goes on to list their skills and the list will include pretty much every major language and tool. One example, this current one I'm reading has been in development for 5 years since uni and claims to know: C#, VB.net, VB6, C, Java, ASP.net, PHP, Perl, JavaScript, HTML, CSS, XML, XSLT, SQL server, T-SQL, mySql (And I'm missing out all the tools and more minor script languages he's got listed) I'm sorry, but "C#, VB.net, VB6, C, Java, ASP.net and PHP", I don't believe in 5 years you can learn all of them to an expert level. Yeah you can can have a basic understanding of each, but not to a high level. I've been a developer 3.5 years now, and I would consider myself very experienced with C#, and I know a varying amount of the others (expect PHP X| ) but not to the same standard I know C#. It actually puts me off these kind of guys because I have to make the assumption they only know 1 or 2 from their list to a high level, and the others are just CV padding, but without knowing which are padding I can't recommend we proceed with a guy who could be a PHP developer with just a bit of C# knowledge when what we want is a C# developer. I don't know who you are I only have a candidate number, but if your reading this and your CV is like I'm describing take a hint here, It's putting me off. I'm interested to know what other people think about this?
Simon
Include tests as part of the interview procedure. If nothing else, it will give you something to laugh about at the coffee machine.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I'm currently looking through CVs and I keep coming across the same pattern. The candidate says they have 3-5 years experience, and then goes on to list their skills and the list will include pretty much every major language and tool. One example, this current one I'm reading has been in development for 5 years since uni and claims to know: C#, VB.net, VB6, C, Java, ASP.net, PHP, Perl, JavaScript, HTML, CSS, XML, XSLT, SQL server, T-SQL, mySql (And I'm missing out all the tools and more minor script languages he's got listed) I'm sorry, but "C#, VB.net, VB6, C, Java, ASP.net and PHP", I don't believe in 5 years you can learn all of them to an expert level. Yeah you can can have a basic understanding of each, but not to a high level. I've been a developer 3.5 years now, and I would consider myself very experienced with C#, and I know a varying amount of the others (expect PHP X| ) but not to the same standard I know C#. It actually puts me off these kind of guys because I have to make the assumption they only know 1 or 2 from their list to a high level, and the others are just CV padding, but without knowing which are padding I can't recommend we proceed with a guy who could be a PHP developer with just a bit of C# knowledge when what we want is a C# developer. I don't know who you are I only have a candidate number, but if your reading this and your CV is like I'm describing take a hint here, It's putting me off. I'm interested to know what other people think about this?
Simon
Unfortunately, HR and Recruiters toss resumes that are not buzzword laden. In fact, if a position requires 3 years of Web Development experience stating you are an expert in Windows Forms and Web Forms with 6 years experience using C# and Sql Server will not get you in the door. You specifically have to say the words, Web Development. If hiring managers were the ones to look at resumes first, my resume would be much cleaner. If I had a dollar for every time I have been asked if I had Visual Studio experience and the subsequently been asked that I put Visual Studio on my resume I would be retired right now.
Need custom software developed? I do C# development and consulting all over the United States. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane
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Unfortunately, HR and Recruiters toss resumes that are not buzzword laden. In fact, if a position requires 3 years of Web Development experience stating you are an expert in Windows Forms and Web Forms with 6 years experience using C# and Sql Server will not get you in the door. You specifically have to say the words, Web Development. If hiring managers were the ones to look at resumes first, my resume would be much cleaner. If I had a dollar for every time I have been asked if I had Visual Studio experience and the subsequently been asked that I put Visual Studio on my resume I would be retired right now.
Need custom software developed? I do C# development and consulting all over the United States. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
You specifically have to say the words, Web Development
I know what you mean, I hate recruiters and everything they do. For some reason ours are even worse. I've got about 20 CVs today. over half of them start with the words "Web developer" in the title, when I've specifically told them we are doing windows based client development, not web developement. The words I want to use to describe them are not just totally un-KSS, I have a strong suspicion that they would set of all my companies security software and lock down my PC if I even started to type them.
Simon
