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Some ideas for discussion now that we are on-topic.* Public schools are nothing but a social gathering.
- How come people complain about how much pro athletes and movie stars make? If we didn't pay so much attention to them they wouldn't make so much money!
- Everything is natural. Coca-Cola is natural.
- Why does pro wrestling get such a bad rap?
- Stop using quote marks in the air with your fingers
- I don't care who you are, Pot will make you paranoid and anxious.
Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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Some ideas for discussion now that we are on-topic.* Public schools are nothing but a social gathering.
- How come people complain about how much pro athletes and movie stars make? If we didn't pay so much attention to them they wouldn't make so much money!
- Everything is natural. Coca-Cola is natural.
- Why does pro wrestling get such a bad rap?
- Stop using quote marks in the air with your fingers
- I don't care who you are, Pot will make you paranoid and anxious.
Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
So many topics and nobody has replied yet? Colin^Davies wrote: Public schools are nothing but a social gathering. My father told me this when I was in public school. He said it was daycare. Colin^Davies wrote: complain about how much pro athletes and movie stars make Because they don't earn it. I don't care how good you are; playing a game does not contribute that much to society. Colin^Davies wrote: Everything is natural. Coca-Cola is natural. Coke may be made out of natural things, but it is not natural. White Sugar is not sugar, it is purified sugar. Processing removes so many things. Colin^Davies wrote: Why does pro wrestling get such a bad rap? Because it is fake, but pretends to be real. Pretending to be something is a psychological crime. Colin^Davies wrote: Stop using quote marks in the air with your fingers Yes, it's annoying, please stop otherwise we might have to hurt you. Colin^Davies wrote: I don't care who you are, Pot will make you paranoid and anxious. If you are paranoid and anxious anyway, otherwise it may not. Drugs are fascinating in terms of sociology. Reality is for people who can't handle drugs. (-unknown) _____________________ eikonoklastes (congrats if you can figure out what this means) "So in the interests of survival, they trained themselves to be agreeing machines instead of thinking machines. All their minds had to do was to discover what other people were thinking, and then they thought that, too." Breakfast of Champions, Kurt Vonnegut
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So many topics and nobody has replied yet? Colin^Davies wrote: Public schools are nothing but a social gathering. My father told me this when I was in public school. He said it was daycare. Colin^Davies wrote: complain about how much pro athletes and movie stars make Because they don't earn it. I don't care how good you are; playing a game does not contribute that much to society. Colin^Davies wrote: Everything is natural. Coca-Cola is natural. Coke may be made out of natural things, but it is not natural. White Sugar is not sugar, it is purified sugar. Processing removes so many things. Colin^Davies wrote: Why does pro wrestling get such a bad rap? Because it is fake, but pretends to be real. Pretending to be something is a psychological crime. Colin^Davies wrote: Stop using quote marks in the air with your fingers Yes, it's annoying, please stop otherwise we might have to hurt you. Colin^Davies wrote: I don't care who you are, Pot will make you paranoid and anxious. If you are paranoid and anxious anyway, otherwise it may not. Drugs are fascinating in terms of sociology. Reality is for people who can't handle drugs. (-unknown) _____________________ eikonoklastes (congrats if you can figure out what this means) "So in the interests of survival, they trained themselves to be agreeing machines instead of thinking machines. All their minds had to do was to discover what other people were thinking, and then they thought that, too." Breakfast of Champions, Kurt Vonnegut
[Good thread Colin... might have been useful to split them up though ;)] Daniel Ferguson wrote: Public schools are nothing but a social gathering. --- My father told me this when I was in public school. He said it was daycare. He was right. You learn absolutely nothing of any practical use at school, except social skills. Daniel Ferguson wrote: complain about how much pro athletes and movie stars make --- Because they don't earn it. I don't care how good you are; playing a game does not contribute that much to society. It doesn't matter what they contribute to society. Wht matters is how much they are worth to the person paying their wage. If an actor gets $8m for a film, it's because the presence of an actor of that stature is likely to increase the value of the film by >$8m. Daniel Ferguson wrote: Why does pro wrestling get such a bad rap? --- Because it is fake, but pretends to be real. Pretending to be something is a psychological crime. You evidently haven't seen pro-wrestling lately or the programs and books about it? No one in pro-wrestling actually claims that it's a real sport any more. Several wrestlers have written books about their experiences, many more have been in interviews where they talk quite candidly about it. Everybody in the industry calls it Sports Entertainment and that's exactly what it is... it's a soap opera with a sporting theme. I was as cynical as you a few years ago and watched it for a laugh a few times, eventually I started to realise that it's really funny. The wrestling itself is still extremely athletic, it still hurts and the blood is very real. It's not choreographed (sp?) as many believe, the result is given and the rest is arranged by the wrestlers (with the help of managers and the referee) as the "fight" is happening. Let's put it this way... you wouldn't catch me trying to do it :) Daniel Ferguson wrote: Stop using quote marks in the air with your fingers --- Yes, it's annoying, please stop otherwise we might have to hurt you. You won't catch me arguing there. And don't get me started on management buzz-words. Daniel Ferguson wrote: I don't care who you are, Pot will make you paranoid and anxious. --- If you are paranoid and anxious anyway, otherwise it may not. Drugs are fascinating in terms of sociology. Reality is for people who can't handle drugs. (-unknown)
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Some ideas for discussion now that we are on-topic.* Public schools are nothing but a social gathering.
- How come people complain about how much pro athletes and movie stars make? If we didn't pay so much attention to them they wouldn't make so much money!
- Everything is natural. Coca-Cola is natural.
- Why does pro wrestling get such a bad rap?
- Stop using quote marks in the air with your fingers
- I don't care who you are, Pot will make you paranoid and anxious.
Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
Colin^Davies wrote: Public schools are nothing but a social gathering. It's strange how all the useful skills I acquired growing up were just sort of mentioned in passing during school, and all the topics that they stressed, are now useless trivia, if not totally forgotten. Why do get this one wrong time and time again?? Colin^Davies wrote: How come people complain about how much pro athletes and movie stars make? If we didn't pay so much attention to them they wouldn't make so much money! I have this precise argue with a co-worker every few weeks it seems. Personally, I don't care how much they make. They earn it as long as they draw in the audience. We're the idiots paying too much for tickets/hats/jerseys/etc..... Colin^Davies wrote: Everything is natural. Coca-Cola is natural. Exactly. How do manufacturers make artificial flavoring?? Either something is what is or it isn't at all. Colin^Davies wrote: Why does pro wrestling get such a bad rap? Do they? Seems like alot of people are watching or going to the matches. Colin^Davies wrote: Stop using quote marks in the air with your fingers You mean like <quoting>this</quoting> Colin^Davies wrote: I don't care who you are, Pot will make you paranoid and anxious. If you don't care who I am, why do care what effect pot has on me. BW {insert witty/thought-provoking saying here}
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Some ideas for discussion now that we are on-topic.* Public schools are nothing but a social gathering.
- How come people complain about how much pro athletes and movie stars make? If we didn't pay so much attention to them they wouldn't make so much money!
- Everything is natural. Coca-Cola is natural.
- Why does pro wrestling get such a bad rap?
- Stop using quote marks in the air with your fingers
- I don't care who you are, Pot will make you paranoid and anxious.
Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
Colin^Davies wrote: Public schools are nothing but a social gathering And ultimately isn't that the greatest skill you will ever need to master during your life? Okay so during my few years in private schooling until I was eight taught me everything I then re-learnt during public school till I was sixteen, but at private school you don't learn about applied use of narcotics, theft, truancy, etc, etc. No I am not joking here - I am glad I spent my impressionable years surrounded by the very people who will surround me for the rest of my life: there is little point becoming an academic with no life skills unless you enjoy your own company. Colin^Davies wrote: How come people complain about how much pro athletes and movie stars make? If we didn't pay so much attention to them they wouldn't make so much money! I don't complain about it -- I laugh at the people who pay them. :) Colin^Davies wrote: Everything is natural. Coca-Cola is natural I'm not sure what you mean here, unless you mean that because everything is made from, ultimately, natural base materials that the end result is natural? If so I agree. Take evolution (unless of course you believe nothing is in fact natural because it is all divine-made). Colin^Davies wrote: Why does pro wrestling get such a bad rap? Because boy's stopped taking part in ballet for a reason - men in leotards just aren't pretty. Kapishe? ;P Seriosuly though, I can't stand pro wrestling and it greatly annoys me that *all* of my friends watch it religiously like some people watch Jerry "Sadcases" Springer. The "sport" has no fun behind it, it looks more staged than a 1940's Godzilla rewrite, it has all that is bad about American capitalism and society stamped all over it, and when I see my friends dropping things like "double jack whammer" and what not into coversation and what "tripple h" did to "big momma" during the saturday night "bangorama" on "raw" I can't help feeling a deep pity for them. The average mens ballet pro wrestling fan could probably list hundreds of "moves" straight from their heads like you or I could could list the alphabet. Sure I have no doubt it is physically challenging to perform, but so is embroidery and at least that has something remotely intersting about it. Pro wrestling is a sport for couch potatoes - no wonder is it so fucking popular, and growing. Colin^Davies wrote:
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Colin^Davies wrote: Public schools are nothing but a social gathering And ultimately isn't that the greatest skill you will ever need to master during your life? Okay so during my few years in private schooling until I was eight taught me everything I then re-learnt during public school till I was sixteen, but at private school you don't learn about applied use of narcotics, theft, truancy, etc, etc. No I am not joking here - I am glad I spent my impressionable years surrounded by the very people who will surround me for the rest of my life: there is little point becoming an academic with no life skills unless you enjoy your own company. Colin^Davies wrote: How come people complain about how much pro athletes and movie stars make? If we didn't pay so much attention to them they wouldn't make so much money! I don't complain about it -- I laugh at the people who pay them. :) Colin^Davies wrote: Everything is natural. Coca-Cola is natural I'm not sure what you mean here, unless you mean that because everything is made from, ultimately, natural base materials that the end result is natural? If so I agree. Take evolution (unless of course you believe nothing is in fact natural because it is all divine-made). Colin^Davies wrote: Why does pro wrestling get such a bad rap? Because boy's stopped taking part in ballet for a reason - men in leotards just aren't pretty. Kapishe? ;P Seriosuly though, I can't stand pro wrestling and it greatly annoys me that *all* of my friends watch it religiously like some people watch Jerry "Sadcases" Springer. The "sport" has no fun behind it, it looks more staged than a 1940's Godzilla rewrite, it has all that is bad about American capitalism and society stamped all over it, and when I see my friends dropping things like "double jack whammer" and what not into coversation and what "tripple h" did to "big momma" during the saturday night "bangorama" on "raw" I can't help feeling a deep pity for them. The average mens ballet pro wrestling fan could probably list hundreds of "moves" straight from their heads like you or I could could list the alphabet. Sure I have no doubt it is physically challenging to perform, but so is embroidery and at least that has something remotely intersting about it. Pro wrestling is a sport for couch potatoes - no wonder is it so fucking popular, and growing. Colin^Davies wrote:
David Wulff wrote: Seriosuly though, I can't stand pro wrestling and it greatly annoys me that *all* of my friends watch it religiously like some people watch Jerry "Sadcases" Springer. Why does that annoy you? How does it make any difference to your life, except that you can't join in the conversations? ;) David Wulff wrote: The "sport" has no fun behind it, it looks more staged than a 1940's Godzilla rewrite, it has all that is bad about American capitalism and society stamped all over it :laugh: You're taking it far too seriously. It's entertainment, it is funny. The current "Un-Americans" skit is getting a bit close to the political line, but other than that it's just not to be analysed. David Wulff wrote: I can't help feeling a deep pity for them Really? They get four hours of free entertainment every week, plus three for every pay-per-view (which usually aren't ppv here), plus whatever time they spend discussing it. You get annoyed. Who's the one to be pitied ;)? David Wulff wrote: Sure I have no doubt it is physically challenging to perform, but so is embroidery and at least that has something remotely intersting about it. You want televised embroidery? ;) Seriously though, anyone can learn embroidery, not everyone could learn to be a wrestler. Not only is it physically challenging but you need to have a charisma that allows people to love or hate you, depending what your storyline is that week. David Wulff wrote: Pro wrestling is a sport for couch potatoes - no wonder is it so f***ing popular, and growing. That's true enough, but it's also true of anything else on TV. I'd rather watch pro-wrestling than Coronation Street for two hours straight. This is the big problem with pro-wrestling; it gets compared to the wrong things. Instead of thinking of it as a sport, think of it as a violent, comic soap opera, then it stands out above anything else in its genre. There is a fascinating technical way of watching it but you should view it as escapism first and foremost. In all honesty, you should try it for a couple of weeks. When I picked it up (about three years ago, so I was older than you are), I watched it out of sheer lack of anything else to watch and treated it with the same disdain you do now. It only took a few weeks before I was hooked. Paul
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David Wulff wrote: Seriosuly though, I can't stand pro wrestling and it greatly annoys me that *all* of my friends watch it religiously like some people watch Jerry "Sadcases" Springer. Why does that annoy you? How does it make any difference to your life, except that you can't join in the conversations? ;) David Wulff wrote: The "sport" has no fun behind it, it looks more staged than a 1940's Godzilla rewrite, it has all that is bad about American capitalism and society stamped all over it :laugh: You're taking it far too seriously. It's entertainment, it is funny. The current "Un-Americans" skit is getting a bit close to the political line, but other than that it's just not to be analysed. David Wulff wrote: I can't help feeling a deep pity for them Really? They get four hours of free entertainment every week, plus three for every pay-per-view (which usually aren't ppv here), plus whatever time they spend discussing it. You get annoyed. Who's the one to be pitied ;)? David Wulff wrote: Sure I have no doubt it is physically challenging to perform, but so is embroidery and at least that has something remotely intersting about it. You want televised embroidery? ;) Seriously though, anyone can learn embroidery, not everyone could learn to be a wrestler. Not only is it physically challenging but you need to have a charisma that allows people to love or hate you, depending what your storyline is that week. David Wulff wrote: Pro wrestling is a sport for couch potatoes - no wonder is it so f***ing popular, and growing. That's true enough, but it's also true of anything else on TV. I'd rather watch pro-wrestling than Coronation Street for two hours straight. This is the big problem with pro-wrestling; it gets compared to the wrong things. Instead of thinking of it as a sport, think of it as a violent, comic soap opera, then it stands out above anything else in its genre. There is a fascinating technical way of watching it but you should view it as escapism first and foremost. In all honesty, you should try it for a couple of weeks. When I picked it up (about three years ago, so I was older than you are), I watched it out of sheer lack of anything else to watch and treated it with the same disdain you do now. It only took a few weeks before I was hooked. Paul
Paul Riley wrote: Why does that annoy you? How does it make any difference to your life, except that you can't join in the conversations? Because it is a large part of their lives; it isn't merely half an hour of telly they watch each day; and all of them got "into" it because it was considered the "cool" thing to do at the time. Paul Riley wrote: You're taking it far too seriously. It's entertainment, it is funny. But it isn't funny - that is the whole point. It tries to be funny by playing on all that is expected of it, and frankly: it fails. US Robot Wars, Jerry Springer, King of the Hill - it takes the worst parts of each (which is most of them) and throws them in a ring together. Pro wrestling is only popular because it is "the thing" to be interested in. If you know what a "double whammy throat slam" is then you can be in with all the other cool kids on the block. Paul Riley wrote: Really? They get four hours of free entertainment every week, plus three for every pay-per-view (which usually aren't ppv here), plus whatever time they spend discussing it. You get annoyed. Who's the one to be pitied ? It isn't that at all - it is the actions that go with it. One of my friends' friends (we'll call him Mr. N) is of the physcoalthletic variety and breathes pro wrestling, using it as an excuse to jump about and generally be an arsehole (because his other friends "like it"). He doesn't hurt anyone, usually, but he is "cool" because he can perform the elusive "double whammy throat slam" whilst simultaneously performing a "tripple back slammer". Now I'm sorry but that *is* sad - that is like me talking to my friends about my latest debugging session and how I can count in hex. Now some individuals may not take it so far, but many many many do, and they waste not only their time and money but also their standards. If television can become this bad on a global scale in two decades imagine the crap that will be aired in just five years time. MTVs and this trash will be on every channel - all eleven thousand of them! Paul Riley wrote: You want televised embroidery? They televise darts/cricket/football/baseball/basketball/hockey/etc which are all about as interesting as embroidery, so why not? :| Paul Riley wrote: Seriously though, anyone can learn embroidery, not everyone could learn to be a wrestler. Not only is it physically challenging but
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Paul Riley wrote: Why does that annoy you? How does it make any difference to your life, except that you can't join in the conversations? Because it is a large part of their lives; it isn't merely half an hour of telly they watch each day; and all of them got "into" it because it was considered the "cool" thing to do at the time. Paul Riley wrote: You're taking it far too seriously. It's entertainment, it is funny. But it isn't funny - that is the whole point. It tries to be funny by playing on all that is expected of it, and frankly: it fails. US Robot Wars, Jerry Springer, King of the Hill - it takes the worst parts of each (which is most of them) and throws them in a ring together. Pro wrestling is only popular because it is "the thing" to be interested in. If you know what a "double whammy throat slam" is then you can be in with all the other cool kids on the block. Paul Riley wrote: Really? They get four hours of free entertainment every week, plus three for every pay-per-view (which usually aren't ppv here), plus whatever time they spend discussing it. You get annoyed. Who's the one to be pitied ? It isn't that at all - it is the actions that go with it. One of my friends' friends (we'll call him Mr. N) is of the physcoalthletic variety and breathes pro wrestling, using it as an excuse to jump about and generally be an arsehole (because his other friends "like it"). He doesn't hurt anyone, usually, but he is "cool" because he can perform the elusive "double whammy throat slam" whilst simultaneously performing a "tripple back slammer". Now I'm sorry but that *is* sad - that is like me talking to my friends about my latest debugging session and how I can count in hex. Now some individuals may not take it so far, but many many many do, and they waste not only their time and money but also their standards. If television can become this bad on a global scale in two decades imagine the crap that will be aired in just five years time. MTVs and this trash will be on every channel - all eleven thousand of them! Paul Riley wrote: You want televised embroidery? They televise darts/cricket/football/baseball/basketball/hockey/etc which are all about as interesting as embroidery, so why not? :| Paul Riley wrote: Seriously though, anyone can learn embroidery, not everyone could learn to be a wrestler. Not only is it physically challenging but
David Wulff wrote: Because it is a large part of their lives; it isn't merely half an hour of telly they watch each day; and all of them got "into" it because it was considered the "cool" thing to do at the time. And still I wonder how that affects your life in any negative way. David Wulff wrote: But it isn't funny - that is the whole point. It tries to be funny by playing on all that is expected of it, and frankly: it fails. Just because it doesn't appeal to your sense of humour doesn't mean that it's not funny. I'm assured on good authority that stuff like "You've Been Framed" is hilariously funny... I just don't see it, and thus I turn the TV over. When people around me talk about what happened on You've Been Framed last night, I zone out or walk away. I certainly don't pity them, get annoyed about the program or try to explain to them why it's crap. David Wulff wrote: US Robot Wars, Jerry Springer, King of the Hill - it takes the worst parts of each (which is most of them) and throws them in a ring together. Not bad comparisons. King of the Hill also appeals to me, though it didn't at first. Jerry Springer I found amusing for a while and then got bored (problem with shows like that is that they repeat themselves too much). I've not seen the US Robot Wars but I'm hooked on the UK one. David Wulff wrote: If you know what a "double whammy throat slam" is then you can be in with all the other cool kids on the block. Ahh well, that's a slightly different issue. If kids choose to copy the moves then that's their problem, just like if they choose to act on Eminem lyrics. If they can't see the joke in either then I don't see what you can do about it. David Wulff wrote: Now I'm sorry but that *is* sad - that is like me talking to my friends about my latest debugging session and how I can count in hex. I have more acquaintances who would rather talk about programming than wrestling. In fact I know very few people who watch wrestling. I don't watch it "because it's cool" but "despite the fact that it's not cool". It's all subjective and I suggest you're hanging round in the wrong groups ;) David Wulff wrote: If television can become this bad on a global scale in two decades imagine the crap that will be aired in just five years time. MTVs and this trash will be on every channel - all eleven thousand of them!
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Some ideas for discussion now that we are on-topic.* Public schools are nothing but a social gathering.
- How come people complain about how much pro athletes and movie stars make? If we didn't pay so much attention to them they wouldn't make so much money!
- Everything is natural. Coca-Cola is natural.
- Why does pro wrestling get such a bad rap?
- Stop using quote marks in the air with your fingers
- I don't care who you are, Pot will make you paranoid and anxious.
Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
Colin^Davies wrote: Public schools are nothing but a social gathering. Only if the individual kid chooses to make it that way. Colin^Davies wrote: How come people complain about how much pro athletes and movie stars make? If we didn't pay so much attention to them they wouldn't make so much money! Agreed, but consider also that the best of the best in any field (almost) always get paid a lot of $$$. Pro athletes and, for the most part, celebs, are the very best at what they do, hence they get paid a lot of money. The only reason they get godly sums is because we make them god-like by showering our attention, admiration, and money on them. Hmm... the train sort of derailed there... :-D Colin^Davies wrote: Everything is natural. Coca-Cola is natural. The Riverdance isn't natural. Have you ever seen those legs flippin' and flyin' around? That's just not right! Colin^Davies wrote: Why does pro wrestling get such a bad rap? Cuz it sux! :) Colin^Davies wrote: Stop using quote marks in the air with your fingers Ok, I'll "stop doing that" ... "right now" Seriously, though, I do tend to do this way too much. :) Colin^Davies wrote: I don't care who you are, Pot will make you paranoid and anxious. No comment - I've never smoked it. Thank you very much - you've all been great. I'll be here until Thursday. Jon Sagara Damnit Jim!
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So many topics and nobody has replied yet? Colin^Davies wrote: Public schools are nothing but a social gathering. My father told me this when I was in public school. He said it was daycare. Colin^Davies wrote: complain about how much pro athletes and movie stars make Because they don't earn it. I don't care how good you are; playing a game does not contribute that much to society. Colin^Davies wrote: Everything is natural. Coca-Cola is natural. Coke may be made out of natural things, but it is not natural. White Sugar is not sugar, it is purified sugar. Processing removes so many things. Colin^Davies wrote: Why does pro wrestling get such a bad rap? Because it is fake, but pretends to be real. Pretending to be something is a psychological crime. Colin^Davies wrote: Stop using quote marks in the air with your fingers Yes, it's annoying, please stop otherwise we might have to hurt you. Colin^Davies wrote: I don't care who you are, Pot will make you paranoid and anxious. If you are paranoid and anxious anyway, otherwise it may not. Drugs are fascinating in terms of sociology. Reality is for people who can't handle drugs. (-unknown) _____________________ eikonoklastes (congrats if you can figure out what this means) "So in the interests of survival, they trained themselves to be agreeing machines instead of thinking machines. All their minds had to do was to discover what other people were thinking, and then they thought that, too." Breakfast of Champions, Kurt Vonnegut
Daniel Ferguson wrote: Colin^Davies wrote: Stop using quote marks in the air with your fingers Yes, it's annoying, please stop otherwise we might have to hurt you. You mean you "we may have to hurt you". Sorry, I couldn't resist. ;P Nick Parker
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Some ideas for discussion now that we are on-topic.* Public schools are nothing but a social gathering.
- How come people complain about how much pro athletes and movie stars make? If we didn't pay so much attention to them they wouldn't make so much money!
- Everything is natural. Coca-Cola is natural.
- Why does pro wrestling get such a bad rap?
- Stop using quote marks in the air with your fingers
- I don't care who you are, Pot will make you paranoid and anxious.
Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
Colin^Davies wrote: Public schools are nothing but a social gathering. "Social" makes it all sound so civilized... Colin^Davies wrote: How come people complain about how much pro athletes and movie stars make? If we didn't pay so much attention to them they wouldn't make so much money! But, i like to complain. They're rich, they can take it... Colin^Davies wrote: Everything is natural. Coca-Cola is natural. Pepsi, on the other hand... Colin^Davies wrote: Why does pro wrestling get such a bad rap? For the same reason that the Evil Dead and Army of Darkness movies get a bad rap - people see them without understanding the point. If you watch Army of Darkness and expect a soul-chilling epic of horror and drama, then you will be disappointed and angered. If you watch pro wrestling and expect to see a traditional wrestling match, then you will also be disappointed and angered. These are things which must be taken for what they are, and either enjoyed or ignored per individual taste. Colin^Davies wrote: Stop using quote marks in the air with your fingers And stop addressing groups of people as "people", people. Seriously... Colin^Davies wrote: I don't care who you are, Pot will make you paranoid and anxious. And hungry. Don't forget hungry... Shog9 ------ If you really what to get shitfacde tell a crowded bar that is is yourt borthday and hife your wallet. you ka will many more friends.
- David Wulff, Brithday selebrations, 9/19/02
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[Good thread Colin... might have been useful to split them up though ;)] Daniel Ferguson wrote: Public schools are nothing but a social gathering. --- My father told me this when I was in public school. He said it was daycare. He was right. You learn absolutely nothing of any practical use at school, except social skills. Daniel Ferguson wrote: complain about how much pro athletes and movie stars make --- Because they don't earn it. I don't care how good you are; playing a game does not contribute that much to society. It doesn't matter what they contribute to society. Wht matters is how much they are worth to the person paying their wage. If an actor gets $8m for a film, it's because the presence of an actor of that stature is likely to increase the value of the film by >$8m. Daniel Ferguson wrote: Why does pro wrestling get such a bad rap? --- Because it is fake, but pretends to be real. Pretending to be something is a psychological crime. You evidently haven't seen pro-wrestling lately or the programs and books about it? No one in pro-wrestling actually claims that it's a real sport any more. Several wrestlers have written books about their experiences, many more have been in interviews where they talk quite candidly about it. Everybody in the industry calls it Sports Entertainment and that's exactly what it is... it's a soap opera with a sporting theme. I was as cynical as you a few years ago and watched it for a laugh a few times, eventually I started to realise that it's really funny. The wrestling itself is still extremely athletic, it still hurts and the blood is very real. It's not choreographed (sp?) as many believe, the result is given and the rest is arranged by the wrestlers (with the help of managers and the referee) as the "fight" is happening. Let's put it this way... you wouldn't catch me trying to do it :) Daniel Ferguson wrote: Stop using quote marks in the air with your fingers --- Yes, it's annoying, please stop otherwise we might have to hurt you. You won't catch me arguing there. And don't get me started on management buzz-words. Daniel Ferguson wrote: I don't care who you are, Pot will make you paranoid and anxious. --- If you are paranoid and anxious anyway, otherwise it may not. Drugs are fascinating in terms of sociology. Reality is for people who can't handle drugs. (-unknown)
Paul Riley wrote: You learn absolutely nothing of any practical use at school, except social skills. Personal observations indicate that even this is optional... Shog9 ------ If you really what to get shitfacde tell a crowded bar that is is yourt borthday and hife your wallet. you ka will many more friends.
- David Wulff, Brithday selebrations, 9/19/02
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Colin^Davies wrote: Public schools are nothing but a social gathering And ultimately isn't that the greatest skill you will ever need to master during your life? Okay so during my few years in private schooling until I was eight taught me everything I then re-learnt during public school till I was sixteen, but at private school you don't learn about applied use of narcotics, theft, truancy, etc, etc. No I am not joking here - I am glad I spent my impressionable years surrounded by the very people who will surround me for the rest of my life: there is little point becoming an academic with no life skills unless you enjoy your own company. Colin^Davies wrote: How come people complain about how much pro athletes and movie stars make? If we didn't pay so much attention to them they wouldn't make so much money! I don't complain about it -- I laugh at the people who pay them. :) Colin^Davies wrote: Everything is natural. Coca-Cola is natural I'm not sure what you mean here, unless you mean that because everything is made from, ultimately, natural base materials that the end result is natural? If so I agree. Take evolution (unless of course you believe nothing is in fact natural because it is all divine-made). Colin^Davies wrote: Why does pro wrestling get such a bad rap? Because boy's stopped taking part in ballet for a reason - men in leotards just aren't pretty. Kapishe? ;P Seriosuly though, I can't stand pro wrestling and it greatly annoys me that *all* of my friends watch it religiously like some people watch Jerry "Sadcases" Springer. The "sport" has no fun behind it, it looks more staged than a 1940's Godzilla rewrite, it has all that is bad about American capitalism and society stamped all over it, and when I see my friends dropping things like "double jack whammer" and what not into coversation and what "tripple h" did to "big momma" during the saturday night "bangorama" on "raw" I can't help feeling a deep pity for them. The average mens ballet pro wrestling fan could probably list hundreds of "moves" straight from their heads like you or I could could list the alphabet. Sure I have no doubt it is physically challenging to perform, but so is embroidery and at least that has something remotely intersting about it. Pro wrestling is a sport for couch potatoes - no wonder is it so fucking popular, and growing. Colin^Davies wrote:
David Wulff wrote: And ultimately isn't that the greatest skill you will ever need to master during your life? Hmm... Finding the bathroom in an unfamiliar house, when it's dark, crowded, and you've been drinking too much is rather important also... ...Oh, and reading street signs. That is *very* important... David Wulff wrote: Pro wrestling is a sport for couch potatoes Of course, so is Pro Football, Pro Baseball, Pro Hockey, Pro Basketball, Pro Bowling, Pro Auto Racing, Pro Snooker, Pro Full-Contact-Knitting... Shog9 ------ If you really what to get shitfacde tell a crowded bar that is is yourt borthday and hife your wallet. you ka will many more friends.
- David Wulff, Brithday selebrations, 9/19/02
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David Wulff wrote: And ultimately isn't that the greatest skill you will ever need to master during your life? Hmm... Finding the bathroom in an unfamiliar house, when it's dark, crowded, and you've been drinking too much is rather important also... ...Oh, and reading street signs. That is *very* important... David Wulff wrote: Pro wrestling is a sport for couch potatoes Of course, so is Pro Football, Pro Baseball, Pro Hockey, Pro Basketball, Pro Bowling, Pro Auto Racing, Pro Snooker, Pro Full-Contact-Knitting... Shog9 ------ If you really what to get shitfacde tell a crowded bar that is is yourt borthday and hife your wallet. you ka will many more friends.
- David Wulff, Brithday selebrations, 9/19/02
Shog9 wrote: Hmm... Finding the bathroom in an unfamiliar house, when it's dark, crowded, and you've been drinking too much is rather important also... ...Oh, and reading street signs. That is *very* important... They may be important, but like finding your way home from the club pissed, alone, at three in the morning and in the pouring rain, it is a skill that must be taught through trial and perfection and not something that can be taught in the classroom (though I would dearly have loved to attend a school that offered *that* class ;P). Shog9 wrote: Pro Full-Contact-Knitting... Now I have an erection. :-O :rolleyes:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
Pro wrestling is entertainment for the unentertained unentertainable.
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Shog9 wrote: Hmm... Finding the bathroom in an unfamiliar house, when it's dark, crowded, and you've been drinking too much is rather important also... ...Oh, and reading street signs. That is *very* important... They may be important, but like finding your way home from the club pissed, alone, at three in the morning and in the pouring rain, it is a skill that must be taught through trial and perfection and not something that can be taught in the classroom (though I would dearly have loved to attend a school that offered *that* class ;P). Shog9 wrote: Pro Full-Contact-Knitting... Now I have an erection. :-O :rolleyes:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
Pro wrestling is entertainment for the unentertained unentertainable.
David Wulff wrote: it is a skill that must be taught through trial and perfection and not something that can be taught in the classroom Which, i would add, is also true of *most* social skills. David Wulff wrote: Now I have an erection. Your turn-ons just get stranger and stranger... :~ Shog9 ------ If you really what to get shitfacde tell a crowded bar that is is yourt borthday and hife your wallet. you ka will many more friends.
- David Wulff, Brithday selebrations, 9/19/02
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David Wulff wrote: it is a skill that must be taught through trial and perfection and not something that can be taught in the classroom Which, i would add, is also true of *most* social skills. David Wulff wrote: Now I have an erection. Your turn-ons just get stranger and stranger... :~ Shog9 ------ If you really what to get shitfacde tell a crowded bar that is is yourt borthday and hife your wallet. you ka will many more friends.
- David Wulff, Brithday selebrations, 9/19/02
Shog9 wrote: Which, i would add, is also true of *most* social skills But going back to the start of this thread, wasn't it a kick in the ribs at the public school system by saying that is basically how they work? :~ That's what *I* meant anyway, even though my experiences in my time at public school were of a good enough standard. Shog9 wrote: Your turn-ons just get stranger and stranger... Tell me about it. For some reason lately my in-no-way-little friend has been getting turned on by blackcurrant juice! (Sadly I am not taking the piss). If Robbinsons made viagra I could maybe understand it but as it is I am just plain confused. :((
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
Pro wrestling is entertainment for the unentertained unentertainable.
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Shog9 wrote: Which, i would add, is also true of *most* social skills But going back to the start of this thread, wasn't it a kick in the ribs at the public school system by saying that is basically how they work? :~ That's what *I* meant anyway, even though my experiences in my time at public school were of a good enough standard. Shog9 wrote: Your turn-ons just get stranger and stranger... Tell me about it. For some reason lately my in-no-way-little friend has been getting turned on by blackcurrant juice! (Sadly I am not taking the piss). If Robbinsons made viagra I could maybe understand it but as it is I am just plain confused. :((
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
Pro wrestling is entertainment for the unentertained unentertainable.
David Wulff wrote: But going back to the start of this thread, wasn't it a kick in the ribs at the public school system by saying that is basically how they work? I think i disagreed however. In very few real-life situations have i come close to an environment like that produced by public (or even private) schools. Perhaps for others this is not so; i can't say i envy them however. Shog9 ------ If you really what to get shitfacde tell a crowded bar that is is yourt borthday and hife your wallet. you ka will many more friends.
- David Wulff, Brithday selebrations, 9/19/02
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Colin^Davies wrote: Public schools are nothing but a social gathering. "Social" makes it all sound so civilized... Colin^Davies wrote: How come people complain about how much pro athletes and movie stars make? If we didn't pay so much attention to them they wouldn't make so much money! But, i like to complain. They're rich, they can take it... Colin^Davies wrote: Everything is natural. Coca-Cola is natural. Pepsi, on the other hand... Colin^Davies wrote: Why does pro wrestling get such a bad rap? For the same reason that the Evil Dead and Army of Darkness movies get a bad rap - people see them without understanding the point. If you watch Army of Darkness and expect a soul-chilling epic of horror and drama, then you will be disappointed and angered. If you watch pro wrestling and expect to see a traditional wrestling match, then you will also be disappointed and angered. These are things which must be taken for what they are, and either enjoyed or ignored per individual taste. Colin^Davies wrote: Stop using quote marks in the air with your fingers And stop addressing groups of people as "people", people. Seriously... Colin^Davies wrote: I don't care who you are, Pot will make you paranoid and anxious. And hungry. Don't forget hungry... Shog9 ------ If you really what to get shitfacde tell a crowded bar that is is yourt borthday and hife your wallet. you ka will many more friends.
- David Wulff, Brithday selebrations, 9/19/02
Shog9 wrote: For the same reason that the Evil Dead and Army of Darkness movies get a bad rap They do??!?!?!!??? Now I'm hurt. :suss: Paul
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David Wulff wrote: Because it is a large part of their lives; it isn't merely half an hour of telly they watch each day; and all of them got "into" it because it was considered the "cool" thing to do at the time. And still I wonder how that affects your life in any negative way. David Wulff wrote: But it isn't funny - that is the whole point. It tries to be funny by playing on all that is expected of it, and frankly: it fails. Just because it doesn't appeal to your sense of humour doesn't mean that it's not funny. I'm assured on good authority that stuff like "You've Been Framed" is hilariously funny... I just don't see it, and thus I turn the TV over. When people around me talk about what happened on You've Been Framed last night, I zone out or walk away. I certainly don't pity them, get annoyed about the program or try to explain to them why it's crap. David Wulff wrote: US Robot Wars, Jerry Springer, King of the Hill - it takes the worst parts of each (which is most of them) and throws them in a ring together. Not bad comparisons. King of the Hill also appeals to me, though it didn't at first. Jerry Springer I found amusing for a while and then got bored (problem with shows like that is that they repeat themselves too much). I've not seen the US Robot Wars but I'm hooked on the UK one. David Wulff wrote: If you know what a "double whammy throat slam" is then you can be in with all the other cool kids on the block. Ahh well, that's a slightly different issue. If kids choose to copy the moves then that's their problem, just like if they choose to act on Eminem lyrics. If they can't see the joke in either then I don't see what you can do about it. David Wulff wrote: Now I'm sorry but that *is* sad - that is like me talking to my friends about my latest debugging session and how I can count in hex. I have more acquaintances who would rather talk about programming than wrestling. In fact I know very few people who watch wrestling. I don't watch it "because it's cool" but "despite the fact that it's not cool". It's all subjective and I suggest you're hanging round in the wrong groups ;) David Wulff wrote: If television can become this bad on a global scale in two decades imagine the crap that will be aired in just five years time. MTVs and this trash will be on every channel - all eleven thousand of them!
Paul Riley wrote: And still I wonder how that affects your life in any negative way. It affects me because they are around me when they act out the "show"; when they make idiots of themselves in public they also make a fool out of me; they talk to me in riddles (as far as I am concerned) and can't understand why I do not understand them. Respect is a mutual agreement in my book. Paul Riley wrote: Just because it doesn't appeal to your sense of humour doesn't mean that it's not funny Granted, though I believe I did see one genuinely funny clip one time I had the misfortute of flicking it onto ITV during You've Been Framed - that originally-fat presenter lady slipped up on her lines making a joke and no-one laughed -- I found it funny because *that* summed up the standard opf the program entirely! :) Paul Riley wrote: I zone out or walk away. I certainly don't pity them, get annoyed about the program or try to explain to them why it's crap. Sadly that is not possible when you work, play and in some cases even sleep with with them (in a "house" way only) Imagine if you spent 18 hours a day locked in a room with a raging nympho: the conversation would constantly be turned onto sex, the actions would be sexual, the atmosphere would be fine for a while, but eventually it would turn unbearable. Finding new friends is not an option. Firstly I find it very difficult to meet new people, but far more importantly I like my friends because we all share similar personality disorders traits, and that is something you do not find on every stree corner. Paul Riley wrote: King of the Hill also appeals to me, though it didn't at first
TV guide". After a few episodes about that guy (Hank?) and his bloody lawn and those even bloodier termites, not to mention that bloody bloody kid... :rolleyes: The humour dried up because I couldn't find enough personality in the characters to make them real.Paul Riley wrote: Ahh well, that's a slightly different issue. If kids choose to copy the moves then that's their problem [snip]. If they can't see the joke then I don't see what you can do about it. Sadly it is not so much of a different issue - they really do go hand in hand based on what I have observed. :( Paul Riley wrote: -
Paul Riley wrote: And still I wonder how that affects your life in any negative way. It affects me because they are around me when they act out the "show"; when they make idiots of themselves in public they also make a fool out of me; they talk to me in riddles (as far as I am concerned) and can't understand why I do not understand them. Respect is a mutual agreement in my book. Paul Riley wrote: Just because it doesn't appeal to your sense of humour doesn't mean that it's not funny Granted, though I believe I did see one genuinely funny clip one time I had the misfortute of flicking it onto ITV during You've Been Framed - that originally-fat presenter lady slipped up on her lines making a joke and no-one laughed -- I found it funny because *that* summed up the standard opf the program entirely! :) Paul Riley wrote: I zone out or walk away. I certainly don't pity them, get annoyed about the program or try to explain to them why it's crap. Sadly that is not possible when you work, play and in some cases even sleep with with them (in a "house" way only) Imagine if you spent 18 hours a day locked in a room with a raging nympho: the conversation would constantly be turned onto sex, the actions would be sexual, the atmosphere would be fine for a while, but eventually it would turn unbearable. Finding new friends is not an option. Firstly I find it very difficult to meet new people, but far more importantly I like my friends because we all share similar personality disorders traits, and that is something you do not find on every stree corner. Paul Riley wrote: King of the Hill also appeals to me, though it didn't at first
TV guide". After a few episodes about that guy (Hank?) and his bloody lawn and those even bloodier termites, not to mention that bloody bloody kid... :rolleyes: The humour dried up because I couldn't find enough personality in the characters to make them real.Paul Riley wrote: Ahh well, that's a slightly different issue. If kids choose to copy the moves then that's their problem [snip]. If they can't see the joke then I don't see what you can do about it. Sadly it is not so much of a different issue - they really do go hand in hand based on what I have observed. :( Paul Riley wrote:David Wulff wrote: It affects me because they are around me when they act out the "show"; when they make idiots of themselves in public they also make a fool out of me; they talk to me in riddles (as far as I am concerned) and can't understand why I do not understand them. Respect is a mutual agreement in my book. Yes, it is. But you can't expect the majority to stop doing something they enjoy because the minority doesn't enjoy it. Besides, if you don't have mutual respect for and from your friends, there's a much deeper problem than wrestling. David Wulff wrote: Granted, though I believe I did see one genuinely funny clip one time I had the misfortute of flicking it onto ITV during You've Been Framed - that originally-fat presenter lady slipped up on her lines making a joke and no-one laughed -- I found it funny because *that* summed up the standard opf the program entirely! I can't say I saw that one. To be honest, I've seen about 5 minutes total since Jeremy Beedle left (and about 30 minutes total before that). I just don't get the joke. David Wulff wrote: Sadly that is not possible when you work, play and in some cases even sleep with with them (in a "house" way only) Understood, but in those situations sometimes you do have to give into peer pressure, no matter what people say to the contrary. Sad, but a fact of life. I spent over a year living in a hostel with 20 other people and sometimes you just have to go with the flow or be alienated. If being alienated meant being left alone, I could live with that. I try to avoid contact with people anyway. But being alienated means being treated differently, like a freak; much less fun than just going along with things you don't like. David Wulff wrote: Firstly I find it very difficult to meet new people, but far more importantly I like my friends because we all share similar personality disorders traits, and that is something you do not find on every stree corner. I can relate to that. David Wulff wrote: When I was growing up (you know what I mean) I used to watch childrens television quite a lot: CBBC and CITV. I quickly (and subconciously) stopped watching CITV and watched CBBC's programming exclusively. Why? Well for a start the beeb doesn't break for adverts every fifteen minutes (or even more frequently it seems on some transatlantic channels) but IMHO the reason was because the for