If you want to let David Letterman know what you think;
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Christian Graus wrote:
The media is a reflection of society.
It is the other way around. People believe the media is a reflection of society, so when they see something on the media they believe that is the norm. This is how they manipulate people into thinking a certain way. It is a one way conversation, there is no debate to it, no other points of view, they are the authority on society's viewpoint.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It is the other way around. People believe the media is a reflection of society, so when they see something on the media they believe that is the norm. This is how they manipulate people into thinking a certain way. It is a one way conversation, there is no debate to it, no other points of view, they are the authority on society's viewpoint.
Incredibly enough, I think there is a lot of truth in what you say on this point.
John Carson
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kmg365 wrote:
I do not watch CBS, but heard of Letterman's comments, and saw a video on YouTube and would like you to know that Letterman's comments were over the top.
See, this is my point. You can't change your society, by censoring letterman. Is it over the top ? Yes. But, shouldn't we ask why it is that the people who DO watch him, thought it was funny ( and in fact, that your protest will get him news and make him more money ) ?
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It is the other way around. People believe the media is a reflection of society, so when they see something on the media they believe that is the norm. This is how they manipulate people into thinking a certain way. It is a one way conversation, there is no debate to it, no other points of view, they are the authority on society's viewpoint.
Incredibly enough, I think there is a lot of truth in what you say on this point.
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
Incredibly enough, I think there is a lot of truth in what you say on this point.
Indeed, and it is a dangerous how the media has this leverage. It is a shame we cant agree that a central bank and central economic planning don't belong in a free capitalistic society.
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Here's a thought. The media is a reflection of society. They say stuff because they expect it will make them money. There was a HUGE deal down under about a comedy team that did a skit about giving dying kids their wishes, which ended with a statement along the lines of 'they're gonna die, so why spend money on them'. Everyone is upset. Guess what ? If we didn't laugh when these people insulted folks who we didn't like, they wouldn't feel there was a drifting standard, and wouldn't feel compelled to say the things they do. Sure, it's a reflection on his character that he'd think to say this, but he said it because he expected people to like it. Some people will actually love this stuff BECAUSE it offends other people. The ones who watch him, should accept that they are the ones feeding him. The ones who don't normally watch, shouldn't care what he says, because they are not watching. Either way, instead of just blaming the media, how about we consider what their actions say for our standards as a society in the first place ?
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Christian Graus wrote:
Either way, instead of just blaming the media
I don't blame the media. I blame David Letterman. I don't blame society, or his upbringing, or the fact that his pet guppy died while he was away on vacation. He's a grownup. He talked shit. He's responsible for it, and if I help get him fired, I'll feel good about it.
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Here's a thought. The media is a reflection of society. They say stuff because they expect it will make them money. There was a HUGE deal down under about a comedy team that did a skit about giving dying kids their wishes, which ended with a statement along the lines of 'they're gonna die, so why spend money on them'. Everyone is upset. Guess what ? If we didn't laugh when these people insulted folks who we didn't like, they wouldn't feel there was a drifting standard, and wouldn't feel compelled to say the things they do. Sure, it's a reflection on his character that he'd think to say this, but he said it because he expected people to like it. Some people will actually love this stuff BECAUSE it offends other people. The ones who watch him, should accept that they are the ones feeding him. The ones who don't normally watch, shouldn't care what he says, because they are not watching. Either way, instead of just blaming the media, how about we consider what their actions say for our standards as a society in the first place ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
Or maybe we should just hold accountable anyone who feels it's OK to crap on the innocent child of a political figure on national television. Maybe letting this kind of crap go is not only unjust, but dangerously irresponsible. Maybe not doing something about this tells the next dickhead that it's perfectly acceptable behavior, at least if it's aimed at someone on a particular side of the political aisle. Maybe there's no way in hell that there would even be a debate on whether something should be done, much less actually letting somebody get away with this, if they were aiming it at the other side of the aisle. Just a thought.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain "Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy' until you can find a rock." - Mark Twain "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man." - Mark Twain "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
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Or maybe we should just hold accountable anyone who feels it's OK to crap on the innocent child of a political figure on national television. Maybe letting this kind of crap go is not only unjust, but dangerously irresponsible. Maybe not doing something about this tells the next dickhead that it's perfectly acceptable behavior, at least if it's aimed at someone on a particular side of the political aisle. Maybe there's no way in hell that there would even be a debate on whether something should be done, much less actually letting somebody get away with this, if they were aiming it at the other side of the aisle. Just a thought.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain "Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy' until you can find a rock." - Mark Twain "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man." - Mark Twain "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
BoneSoft wrote:
Or maybe we should just hold accountable anyone who feels it's OK to crap on the innocent child of a political figure on national television...Maybe there's no way in hell that there would even be a debate on whether something should be done, much less actually letting somebody get away with this, if they were aiming it at the other side of the aisle. Just a thought.
Google John McCain gorilla Then Google John McCain Chelsea Clinton I'm not defending Letterman's comments, merely pointing out that the assiduously nurtured sense of victimizaton on the right involves a fair bit of selectivity.
John Carson
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Christian Graus wrote:
Either way, instead of just blaming the media
I don't blame the media. I blame David Letterman. I don't blame society, or his upbringing, or the fact that his pet guppy died while he was away on vacation. He's a grownup. He talked shit. He's responsible for it, and if I help get him fired, I'll feel good about it.
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Oakman wrote:
He's a grownup. He talked sh*t. He's responsible for it, and if I help get him fired, I'll feel good about it.
Well, odds are greater that you'll do him good, but, by all means, I don't disagree that he should be accountable for his actions. The issue is that I doubt he will be.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
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Oakman wrote:
He's a grownup. He talked sh*t. He's responsible for it, and if I help get him fired, I'll feel good about it.
Well, odds are greater that you'll do him good, but, by all means, I don't disagree that he should be accountable for his actions. The issue is that I doubt he will be.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
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BoneSoft wrote:
Or maybe we should just hold accountable anyone who feels it's OK to crap on the innocent child of a political figure on national television...Maybe there's no way in hell that there would even be a debate on whether something should be done, much less actually letting somebody get away with this, if they were aiming it at the other side of the aisle. Just a thought.
Google John McCain gorilla Then Google John McCain Chelsea Clinton I'm not defending Letterman's comments, merely pointing out that the assiduously nurtured sense of victimizaton on the right involves a fair bit of selectivity.
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
I'm not defending Letterman's comments, merely pointing out that the assiduously nurtured sense of victimizaton on the right involves a fair bit of selectivity.
Since I found the ugliness associated with the Stan Shannon wing of the republicans during the election and since equally reprehensible and speak/spoke out against it, I hope you don't mind if I say that any attempt to play the "He started it!" game works better with 5 year-olds than with adults.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
modified on Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:30 AM
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John Carson wrote:
I'm not defending Letterman's comments, merely pointing out that the assiduously nurtured sense of victimizaton on the right involves a fair bit of selectivity.
Since I found the ugliness associated with the Stan Shannon wing of the republicans during the election and since equally reprehensible and speak/spoke out against it, I hope you don't mind if I say that any attempt to play the "He started it!" game works better with 5 year-olds than with adults.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
modified on Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:30 AM
Oakman wrote:
Since I found the ugliness associated with the Stan Shannon wing of the republicans during the election and since equally reprhehensible and speak/spoke out against it, I hope you don't mind if I say that any attempt to play the "He started it!" game works better with 5 years olds than with adults.
I hope you don't mind me pointing out that I was responding, not to an ethical argument, but to a claim of fact, namely that "there's no way in hell that there would even be a debate on whether something should be done, much less actually letting somebody get away with this, if they were aiming it at the other side of the aisle".
John Carson
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Oakman wrote:
Since I found the ugliness associated with the Stan Shannon wing of the republicans during the election and since equally reprhehensible and speak/spoke out against it, I hope you don't mind if I say that any attempt to play the "He started it!" game works better with 5 years olds than with adults.
I hope you don't mind me pointing out that I was responding, not to an ethical argument, but to a claim of fact, namely that "there's no way in hell that there would even be a debate on whether something should be done, much less actually letting somebody get away with this, if they were aiming it at the other side of the aisle".
John Carson
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BoneSoft wrote:
Or maybe we should just hold accountable anyone who feels it's OK to crap on the innocent child of a political figure on national television...Maybe there's no way in hell that there would even be a debate on whether something should be done, much less actually letting somebody get away with this, if they were aiming it at the other side of the aisle. Just a thought.
Google John McCain gorilla Then Google John McCain Chelsea Clinton I'm not defending Letterman's comments, merely pointing out that the assiduously nurtured sense of victimizaton on the right involves a fair bit of selectivity.
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
a fair bit of selectivity
1986 huh, I didn't see how it referenced someone's child, personally. And then Chelsea in 1998, that one I remember because it was plastered all over the news. And I remember it drug out for quite some time too. Everybody has a "fair bit of selectivity" but none quite so much as the media.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain "Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy' until you can find a rock." - Mark Twain "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man." - Mark Twain "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
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kmg365 wrote:
Recently Letterman made a joke about Sarah Palin's 14 year old daughter being raped. Later he sort of apologized and said he meant the 18 year old daughter. :wtf:
No, it was not about the 14-yo. And it was not about rape, statutory or otherwise. And, it was *mosty* about Eliot Spitzer and "A-Rod" ... Palin's 18-yo daughter (the one who got herself knocked-up) was a prop. Sure, it was tasteless to use the 18-year old young woman in that manner. But it wasn't about the 14-year old girl, and it wasn't about rape.
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John Carson wrote:
Incredibly enough, I think there is a lot of truth in what you say on this point.
Indeed, and it is a dangerous how the media has this leverage. It is a shame we cant agree that a central bank and central economic planning don't belong in a free capitalistic society.
Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It is a shame we cant agree that a central bank and central economic planning don't belong in a free capitalistic society.
It's a shame you haven't yet realized that "free capitalistic society" is a contradiction in terms...
Shog9 wrote:
It's a shame you haven't yet realized that "free capitalistic society" is a contradiction in terms...
How so?
Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.
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Shog9 wrote:
It's a shame you haven't yet realized that "free capitalistic society" is a contradiction in terms...
How so?
Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.