Top Indian CEO: Most American Grads Are ‘Unemployable’
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He's wrong. Students in developing countries are also concerned with getting rich. It's just that the "rich" bar is a lot lower for them than in the US. For instance, $5 would make some of them quite wealthy in comparison to their countrymen.
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Not only students. I'd be quite content on $40/h. I'd be happy as a pig in shit on $70/h. :)
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From the Insider: Top Indian CEO: Most American Grads Are ‘Unemployable’[^] "Many American grads looking to enter the tech field are preoccupied with getting rich, Vineet said. They're far less inclined than students from developing countries like India, China, Brazil, South Africa, and Ireland to spend their time learning the "boring" details of tech process, methodology, and tools--ITIL, Six Sigma, and the like."
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
spend their time learning the "boring" details of tech process, methodology, and tools
Sure. These are the ones filling up our forums with PLZZZZ URGENNNT and co. Other developers are busy coding, and have no free time for studying processes while waiting for a solution from a forum.
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From the Insider: Top Indian CEO: Most American Grads Are ‘Unemployable’[^] "Many American grads looking to enter the tech field are preoccupied with getting rich, Vineet said. They're far less inclined than students from developing countries like India, China, Brazil, South Africa, and Ireland to spend their time learning the "boring" details of tech process, methodology, and tools--ITIL, Six Sigma, and the like."
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Is it really about getting rich? Or, is it about being unwilling to be a codemonkey and gopher?
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Chris Maunder wrote:
spend their time learning the "boring" details of tech process, methodology, and tools
Sure. These are the ones filling up our forums with PLZZZZ URGENNNT and co. Other developers are busy coding, and have no free time for studying processes while waiting for a solution from a forum.
Rage wrote:
Sure. These are the ones filling up our forums with PLZZZZ URGENNNT and co.
These are the bootcamp graduates. I've dealt with companies that uses these as training methods and they are little better off than someone with zero training. Plus once they complete these worthless courses they are often sent to follow and be a gopher for a 'senior' who had completed the course and mentoring program a year or two earlier. All in all, it seems like their goal is to put a warm body in a seat and maximise their billable hours.
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From the Insider: Top Indian CEO: Most American Grads Are ‘Unemployable’[^] "Many American grads looking to enter the tech field are preoccupied with getting rich, Vineet said. They're far less inclined than students from developing countries like India, China, Brazil, South Africa, and Ireland to spend their time learning the "boring" details of tech process, methodology, and tools--ITIL, Six Sigma, and the like."
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
LOL...ITIL 3.0 and Six Sigma. Excuse me while laugh until I pee my pants.
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From the Insider: Top Indian CEO: Most American Grads Are ‘Unemployable’[^] "Many American grads looking to enter the tech field are preoccupied with getting rich, Vineet said. They're far less inclined than students from developing countries like India, China, Brazil, South Africa, and Ireland to spend their time learning the "boring" details of tech process, methodology, and tools--ITIL, Six Sigma, and the like."
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
I might have maybe agreed until I got to the "Six Sigma" bit - who uses that? It's a management strategy, it has nothing to do with software design right? And after glancing over at the Wikipedia definition of ITIL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_Technology_Infrastructure_Library[^] ) I don't think, as a software developer, that I'd be too interested in it either! That might be the issue - this guy sounds like he wants IT drones, people who would do more of the boring maintenance kind of work, as opposed to actual software developers. That might account for why he can't "find" anyone here in the states, maybe there's more interest in software development as opposed to IT work? Neither of which has anything to do with getting rich - you could pay me 3 times what I'm making now and I still wouldn't be very thrilled to take the job, because it's even *more* boring that what I currently do!
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From the Insider: Top Indian CEO: Most American Grads Are ‘Unemployable’[^] "Many American grads looking to enter the tech field are preoccupied with getting rich, Vineet said. They're far less inclined than students from developing countries like India, China, Brazil, South Africa, and Ireland to spend their time learning the "boring" details of tech process, methodology, and tools--ITIL, Six Sigma, and the like."
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
I wonder how employable his country's denizens would be if the large countries that are currently supporting their employability stopped.
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I disagree with that generalisation. I don't think 'getting rich' is the be-all and end-all of every country. Prestige in your career (or even having a career), or simply supporting your family in a comfortable way are enough in some countries.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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From the Insider: Top Indian CEO: Most American Grads Are ‘Unemployable’[^] "Many American grads looking to enter the tech field are preoccupied with getting rich, Vineet said. They're far less inclined than students from developing countries like India, China, Brazil, South Africa, and Ireland to spend their time learning the "boring" details of tech process, methodology, and tools--ITIL, Six Sigma, and the like."
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Some day, big companies will realize they need to educate people themselves, and children starting around 12 or 13 will start going to "Microsoft University" Marc
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I might have maybe agreed until I got to the "Six Sigma" bit - who uses that? It's a management strategy, it has nothing to do with software design right? And after glancing over at the Wikipedia definition of ITIL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_Technology_Infrastructure_Library[^] ) I don't think, as a software developer, that I'd be too interested in it either! That might be the issue - this guy sounds like he wants IT drones, people who would do more of the boring maintenance kind of work, as opposed to actual software developers. That might account for why he can't "find" anyone here in the states, maybe there's more interest in software development as opposed to IT work? Neither of which has anything to do with getting rich - you could pay me 3 times what I'm making now and I still wouldn't be very thrilled to take the job, because it's even *more* boring that what I currently do!
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A company I used to work for tried implementing ITIL. I found the next ticket out of there quickly. It's useless. Most of it is common sense release process like don't just throw code into production without having someone look at it first etc. If you NEED people who've learned these things in a class I think you'll be out of business fairly quickly...
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Some day, big companies will realize they need to educate people themselves, and children starting around 12 or 13 will start going to "Microsoft University" Marc
I'm not overthinking the problem, I just felt like I needed a small, unimportant, uninteresting rant! - Martin Hart Turner
Oh God please no. John's head would explode if people learned to code from the people that gave us WPF...
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Oh God please no. John's head would explode if people learned to code from the people that gave us WPF...
------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.. but it ROCKS absolutely, too.
Doctor Nick wrote:
John's head would explode if people learned to code from the people that gave us WPF...
It's not the people who brought us WPF that are the problem. The problem is that things like WPF and Visual Studio are being designed for people who post the 'PLZ HLP! SND THE CODZS!' messages.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
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I don't think it is restricted to Yanks. I'm surprised, however, not to have seen complaints from some of our Hibernian cousins at being classed as a developing country.
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Henry Minute wrote:
I'm surprised, however, not to have seen complaints from some of our Hibernian cousins at being classed as a developing country.
That was my thought too. Apparently the lack of global understanding is a problem for both US tech folk and Indian CEOs ...
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I disagree with that generalisation. I don't think 'getting rich' is the be-all and end-all of every country. Prestige in your career (or even having a career), or simply supporting your family in a comfortable way are enough in some countries.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
The same generalization is equally untrue in the US. For instance, I've been a programmer for 30 years. I like doing it, and have no interest in being any type of manager (beyond being a team lead). This prevents me from making the "big bucks". I'm happy with my 5-figure salary, which is significantly short of being a 6-figure salary. Besides all that, I was just being a smart-ass. I contemplate mentioning the use of elephant teeth and shiny rocks as viable currency in India, but I was already kinda bored with the whole thing. :)
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Doctor Nick wrote:
John's head would explode if people learned to code from the people that gave us WPF...
It's not the people who brought us WPF that are the problem. The problem is that things like WPF and Visual Studio are being designed for people who post the 'PLZ HLP! SND THE CODZS!' messages.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
What's really scary is that the MSDN forums are now RIFE with posts that start out with the phrase, "I'm not a programmer, but I need help..."
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
What's really scary is that the MSDN forums are now RIFE with posts that start out with the phrase, "I'm not a programmer, but I need help..."
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Rich in some places is 'Not Living in a Box in a building site'
------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC
Wow. I didn't realise Luton was that grim these days ...
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Doctor Nick wrote:
John's head would explode if people learned to code from the people that gave us WPF...
It's not the people who brought us WPF that are the problem. The problem is that things like WPF and Visual Studio are being designed for people who post the 'PLZ HLP! SND THE CODZS!' messages.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
Chris Austin wrote:
are being designed
Designed? ;) Marc
I'm not overthinking the problem, I just felt like I needed a small, unimportant, uninteresting rant! - Martin Hart Turner
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Chris Austin wrote:
are being designed
Designed? ;) Marc
I'm not overthinking the problem, I just felt like I needed a small, unimportant, uninteresting rant! - Martin Hart Turner
Marc Clifton wrote:
Designed
For a second there my I thought I had misspelled it :D
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
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What's really scary is that the MSDN forums are now RIFE with posts that start out with the phrase, "I'm not a programmer, but I need help..."
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001For that reason I've always been torn between actually keeping up my coding skills and going to the darkside of GUI coding. Why work my $#5 off just so some joe college can come out and do something similar with half as much thought. Now, 90% of the time joe college is going to see his design break more often but that's his job security. Code generators are great as long as you know what they're generating but too many noobs today don't care what's being generated just that it works. Man, better put that rant tag on there...
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