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  • D Daniel Vaughan

    Yes, we’ve found the cost of living in Switzerland to be very high. Is there a lot of variation with the cost of living, food prices etc across the states? It sounds like you are actually close to everywhere. I imagine that flights within the US are not expensive also, due to there being lots of competition? The weather sounds very much like where we used to live in Canberra Australia.

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    Dan Neely
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    Daniel Vaughan wrote:

    Is there a lot of variation with the cost of living, food prices etc across the states?

    Yes. Mostly housing. In urban california starter houses will run >$300k, in sparsely populated rural areas they'll run 1/10th that. The spread's smaller for more upscale housing, but that's mostly a factor of upscale housing being much newer construction everywhere. The spread on food is significantly smaller since even breadbasket areas import alot of other food, and only retail expenses really vary by large amounts (and economies of scale really help here in expensive areas).

    The European Way of War: Blow your own continent up. The American Way of War: Go over and help them.

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    • J jond777

      The Carolinas are nice - not as oppressive as Florida. Low cost of living and decent quality of life. I've lived in New Hampshire all my life and southern Virginia/Northern North Carolina are the only other places I'd consider living.

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      Joe Simes
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      I concur. I've been in New Hampshire my whole life (except a 9 month stint in Vermont) and the Carolina's look very nice. There is the Technology Triangle of Raleigh, Chapel Hill, and Durham. click[^]

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      • D Daniel Vaughan

        It sounds like there is a lot of property price variation. I wonder if property prices have fallen much in places like Boston since the crisis. Yes, we are after a warm temperate climate, so it may not be for us.

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        Joe Simes
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        Property prices have not dropped as far as I can see in New England. Boston or New Hampshire. And yes the winters are brutal. My cousin lives in San Diego and it is lovely but too much the same for me. As much as I hate the long winters I love the Autumn and the Spring. California is very expensive as is New England. That is why the Carolinas are so attractive. Mountains and lakes and the ocean and somewhat reasonable property prices.

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        • D Daniel Vaughan

          Yes, we’ve found the cost of living in Switzerland to be very high. Is there a lot of variation with the cost of living, food prices etc across the states? It sounds like you are actually close to everywhere. I imagine that flights within the US are not expensive also, due to there being lots of competition? The weather sounds very much like where we used to live in Canberra Australia.

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          MidwestLimey
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          I just ran a cost of living comparison on here compared to San Diego, CA and it agrees with Dan's reply. Housing is about 3.4x what it is here whereas your weekly grocery bill will only be 20% higher. You might not want to get sick as health care is 30% more. Overall it was 83% higher cost of living but the same position would only be paying about 30% more, at least for me.

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          • D Dan Neely

            Daniel Vaughan wrote:

            Is there a lot of variation with the cost of living, food prices etc across the states?

            Yes. Mostly housing. In urban california starter houses will run >$300k, in sparsely populated rural areas they'll run 1/10th that. The spread's smaller for more upscale housing, but that's mostly a factor of upscale housing being much newer construction everywhere. The spread on food is significantly smaller since even breadbasket areas import alot of other food, and only retail expenses really vary by large amounts (and economies of scale really help here in expensive areas).

            The European Way of War: Blow your own continent up. The American Way of War: Go over and help them.

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            Daniel Vaughan
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            Thanks for your response Dan. > $300k for a starter house sounds a little like Australia. I wonder what rents are like. Obviously it would depend on where you are. Here in Switzerland there is definitely a rental culture. In fact most people rent, and a basic home will set you back at least a mil.

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              I just ran a cost of living comparison on here compared to San Diego, CA and it agrees with Dan's reply. Housing is about 3.4x what it is here whereas your weekly grocery bill will only be 20% higher. You might not want to get sick as health care is 30% more. Overall it was 83% higher cost of living but the same position would only be paying about 30% more, at least for me.

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              Daniel Vaughan
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              Yes, healthcare is something we didn’t have to think about living in the UK and Australia. We had top private cover in Australia for $80 USD/month. We pay $800 USD/month here in Switzerland. But then wages are high here, and tax is low...so it all balances out... kinda.

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              • D Daniel Vaughan

                Thanks for your tips Snowman. Is SBA Santa Barbera? SBA sounds interesting with its high tech industry. Do you live in Mx, and work in the US?

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                Snowman58
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                Daniel Vaughan wrote:

                Is SBA Santa Barbera? SBA sounds interesting with its high tech industry.

                Yes SBA is Santa Barbara. UCSB in the top 5 of funded university research year after year and has one of the highest number of scientific Nobel laureates on staff. When I lived there, I was on the advisory board of a VC group and saw a lot of interesting projects getting started. Many were spun out of the University or new startups by successful entrepreneurs living in SBA.

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                Do you live in Mx, and work in the US?

                I live in and work from Mx these days. See the Innovative Concepts web site if you are interested. There are plenty of people that do the commute, but I wouldn’t recommend it. The border crossing (Mx to US) can be anywhere from 30 minutes to 2 hours depending on the time of day or phase of the moon. Coming back is not a problem.

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                • J Joe Simes

                  Property prices have not dropped as far as I can see in New England. Boston or New Hampshire. And yes the winters are brutal. My cousin lives in San Diego and it is lovely but too much the same for me. As much as I hate the long winters I love the Autumn and the Spring. California is very expensive as is New England. That is why the Carolinas are so attractive. Mountains and lakes and the ocean and somewhat reasonable property prices.

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                  Daniel Vaughan
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                  The Carolinas sound great Joe. Yes, cold winters aren’t what we are looking for. Thanks for your response.

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                    Daniel Vaughan wrote:

                    Is SBA Santa Barbera? SBA sounds interesting with its high tech industry.

                    Yes SBA is Santa Barbara. UCSB in the top 5 of funded university research year after year and has one of the highest number of scientific Nobel laureates on staff. When I lived there, I was on the advisory board of a VC group and saw a lot of interesting projects getting started. Many were spun out of the University or new startups by successful entrepreneurs living in SBA.

                    Daniel Vaughan wrote:

                    Do you live in Mx, and work in the US?

                    I live in and work from Mx these days. See the Innovative Concepts web site if you are interested. There are plenty of people that do the commute, but I wouldn’t recommend it. The border crossing (Mx to US) can be anywhere from 30 minutes to 2 hours depending on the time of day or phase of the moon. Coming back is not a problem.

                    Melting Away www.deals-house.com www.innovative--concepts.com

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                    Daniel Vaughan
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                    SBA looks great. My wife is exploring it on Google Earth as I type this. Thanks a lot for your helpful tips Snowman.

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                    • P PIEBALDconsult

                      MidwestLimey wrote:

                      There's a few escapees

                      Many (we included) are now in Arizona, only a 400 mile drive to Santa Monica; all on one freeway :-D .

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                      What's the speed limit on the freeway PIEBALDconsult?

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                        Low Crime Rate

                        :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: It wasn't safe to walk on the beach unarmed 30 years ago; nothing's improved, except the number of laws against actually using the beach for anything fun.

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                        Daniel Vaughan
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                        That bad!? :omg:

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                        • J jond777

                          The Carolinas are nice - not as oppressive as Florida. Low cost of living and decent quality of life. I've lived in New Hampshire all my life and southern Virginia/Northern North Carolina are the only other places I'd consider living.

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                          Daniel Vaughan
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                          It sounds like lots of people consider the Carolinas as a nice place to live. Thanks for your response.

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                          • D Daniel Vaughan

                            Thanks for your response Dan. > $300k for a starter house sounds a little like Australia. I wonder what rents are like. Obviously it would depend on where you are. Here in Switzerland there is definitely a rental culture. In fact most people rent, and a basic home will set you back at least a mil.

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                            Dan Neely
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                            Significantly less, but I don't have any idea of an actual dollar value. They didn't go stupid like house prices did a few years ago.

                            The European Way of War: Blow your own continent up. The American Way of War: Go over and help them.

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                            • D Daniel Vaughan

                              My wife and I are entertaining the possibility of relocating to the US for a while. We are looking for a warm climate, near the ocean, and low crime. If anyone has any suggestions or recommendations regarding a nice area, I’d appreciate hearing about it.

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                              Dan Neely
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                              Something else to consider, that I don't think has been brought up. Culturally/politically the US is well to the right of every other first world country. Our more conservative parts (eg most of the south/midwest excepting towns with a large number of internal migrants) might not be a comfortable fit.

                              The European Way of War: Blow your own continent up. The American Way of War: Go over and help them.

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                              • D Dan Neely

                                Something else to consider, that I don't think has been brought up. Culturally/politically the US is well to the right of every other first world country. Our more conservative parts (eg most of the south/midwest excepting towns with a large number of internal migrants) might not be a comfortable fit.

                                The European Way of War: Blow your own continent up. The American Way of War: Go over and help them.

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                                Daniel Vaughan
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                                Good point. Yes, I was under the impression that the east coast has a greater liberal contingent. It’s hard to gauge these things without witnessing first hand.

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                                • D Daniel Vaughan

                                  That bad!? :omg:

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                                  Roger Wright
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                                  It was that bad before California became a socialist police state 20 years ago, and could still be considered part of the United States. It can't be better now...

                                  "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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                                  • D Daniel Vaughan

                                    What's the speed limit on the freeway PIEBALDconsult?

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                                    PIEBALDconsult
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                                    Depends on whether or not you're in a city. Out between the cities (Tonopah, AZ to the Palm Springs area) it's 75 MPH and if you don't go 90MPH you get run over by trucks.

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                                    • D Daniel Vaughan

                                      My wife and I are entertaining the possibility of relocating to the US for a while. We are looking for a warm climate, near the ocean, and low crime. If anyone has any suggestions or recommendations regarding a nice area, I’d appreciate hearing about it.

                                      Daniel Vaughan Blog: DanielVaughan.Orpius.com

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                                      Bassam Abdul Baki
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                                      Anywhere on the southern east or west coast for the weather. Just put your house on very high stilts for the low crime factor.

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                                      • P PIEBALDconsult

                                        Depends on whether or not you're in a city. Out between the cities (Tonopah, AZ to the Palm Springs area) it's 75 MPH and if you don't go 90MPH you get run over by trucks.

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                                        Daniel Vaughan
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                                        What percentage of people would you say ride scooters in the city?

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                                        • D Daniel Vaughan

                                          What percentage of people would you say ride scooters in the city?

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                                          PIEBALDconsult
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                                          I don't know which city you mean, more do in L.A. When I lived in L.A. I rode a motorcycle.

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