Moving from C# to C++
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I already know C# and I'm trying to learn C++ (it seems to be more required by employers.) All the reference material I have on C++ is geared to learning from absolute basics and I get tired of reading about the difference between ++x and x++ etc (I still read it in case there happens to be something subtle that I wouldn't already know.) So can anybody recommend any good resources that are comprehensive, but won't re-cover stuff thats the same in C#? Thanks, Chris
If you're beyond the basics of C++ I'd strongly recommend you read Meyers Effective C++[^]. Once you've that under your belt you will be in a far better position to work out what to read next... I'd also recomend that you join the accu-general mailing list[^]. It's free to join (ACCU membership isn't required for that particular list) and you'll get access to some of the best C++ minds on the web (including some of the Standards Committee...). They're a friendly bunch, and always willing to answer questions or indulge in a spot of mentoring. :)
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I already know C# and I'm trying to learn C++ (it seems to be more required by employers.) All the reference material I have on C++ is geared to learning from absolute basics and I get tired of reading about the difference between ++x and x++ etc (I still read it in case there happens to be something subtle that I wouldn't already know.) So can anybody recommend any good resources that are comprehensive, but won't re-cover stuff thats the same in C#? Thanks, Chris
I learned practically. I would get a large project, which would take years to complete, and write it in C++. I've done the same in C# with Tortoise; by the end of 2008, I had 50 applications in total, and had the syntax almost memorised
Between the idea And the reality Between the motion And the act Falls the Shadow
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I already know C# and I'm trying to learn C++ (it seems to be more required by employers.) All the reference material I have on C++ is geared to learning from absolute basics and I get tired of reading about the difference between ++x and x++ etc (I still read it in case there happens to be something subtle that I wouldn't already know.) So can anybody recommend any good resources that are comprehensive, but won't re-cover stuff thats the same in C#? Thanks, Chris
There's the Stroustrup book which isn't bad. This isn't a teaching resource, but if you get to the point where you'd actually like to start programming windows apps, you might give the VCF, written by yours truly, a glance. Lots of C++, and lots of neat features, similar to what you might find in .Net.
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow
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I already know C# and I'm trying to learn C++ (it seems to be more required by employers.) All the reference material I have on C++ is geared to learning from absolute basics and I get tired of reading about the difference between ++x and x++ etc (I still read it in case there happens to be something subtle that I wouldn't already know.) So can anybody recommend any good resources that are comprehensive, but won't re-cover stuff thats the same in C#? Thanks, Chris
There's more C++ work where you live ? The stroustrup book is obviously essential, given that he created the language. If you find you use MFC a lot, then a MFC book may be more helpful, although you should use the standard library, and not MFC containers, for example.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I already know C# and I'm trying to learn C++ (it seems to be more required by employers.) All the reference material I have on C++ is geared to learning from absolute basics and I get tired of reading about the difference between ++x and x++ etc (I still read it in case there happens to be something subtle that I wouldn't already know.) So can anybody recommend any good resources that are comprehensive, but won't re-cover stuff thats the same in C#? Thanks, Chris
Interesting that you are finding C++ required. Can I ask where you live? I have zero trouble finding work with no C++ experience.
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If you're beyond the basics of C++ I'd strongly recommend you read Meyers Effective C++[^]. Once you've that under your belt you will be in a far better position to work out what to read next... I'd also recomend that you join the accu-general mailing list[^]. It's free to join (ACCU membership isn't required for that particular list) and you'll get access to some of the best C++ minds on the web (including some of the Standards Committee...). They're a friendly bunch, and always willing to answer questions or indulge in a spot of mentoring. :)
Anna :rose: Having a bad bug day? Tech Blog | Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "If mushy peas are the food of the devil, the stotty cake is the frisbee of God"
Thanks for the reccomendation - I just had a look at the contents on Amazon, and it does seem like a very good book for me to read! I'm not sure I'm quite that good at C++ yet but it looks like it will be very helpful when I get to that point. Thanks, Chris
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I learned practically. I would get a large project, which would take years to complete, and write it in C++. I've done the same in C# with Tortoise; by the end of 2008, I had 50 applications in total, and had the syntax almost memorised
Between the idea And the reality Between the motion And the act Falls the Shadow
Yeah, that's how I learnt C# in the first place. I think I need to do a bit more reading before I'm ready yet, but I will be doing it next. Thanks, Chris [Edit: I didn't 1 vote you - I think your suggestion has a lot of merit. So I gave you a 5 to redress the balance]
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There's the Stroustrup book which isn't bad. This isn't a teaching resource, but if you get to the point where you'd actually like to start programming windows apps, you might give the VCF, written by yours truly, a glance. Lots of C++, and lots of neat features, similar to what you might find in .Net.
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow
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There's more C++ work where you live ? The stroustrup book is obviously essential, given that he created the language. If you find you use MFC a lot, then a MFC book may be more helpful, although you should use the standard library, and not MFC containers, for example.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Yeah, I'm trying to get into an industry that is slightly behind (think lots of C++ legacy projects ready to move to C#) and they all want C++ and *cough*Java. This is the second reccomendation for Stroustrup, so looks like I will have to take the plunge... Thanks, Chris
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Interesting that you are finding C++ required. Can I ask where you live? I have zero trouble finding work with no C++ experience.
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
have zero trouble finding work with no C++ experience.
But in the show business, right?
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Interesting that you are finding C++ required. Can I ask where you live? I have zero trouble finding work with no C++ experience.
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
I live south of London, inside the M25. Don't get me wrong, I still do OK without the C++ it's just that it seems it would give me the edge over people when it comes to it. Recently I did 7 (yes, seven) rounds of interviews for a position for a C# position, and I eventually didn't get it coz I couldn't answer their C++ pointer questions.
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Yeah, I'm trying to get into an industry that is slightly behind (think lots of C++ legacy projects ready to move to C#) and they all want C++ and *cough*Java. This is the second reccomendation for Stroustrup, so looks like I will have to take the plunge... Thanks, Chris
c2423 wrote:
This is the second reccomendation for Stroustrup,
Well, it IS his language :-)
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I already know C# and I'm trying to learn C++ (it seems to be more required by employers.) All the reference material I have on C++ is geared to learning from absolute basics and I get tired of reading about the difference between ++x and x++ etc (I still read it in case there happens to be something subtle that I wouldn't already know.) So can anybody recommend any good resources that are comprehensive, but won't re-cover stuff thats the same in C#? Thanks, Chris
You may consider Bruce Eckel’s “Thinking In C++” – its free for download I the web. It’s terrible book for learning C++, but is also perfect reference for the language with tons of examples and very deep look to templates. Do you have some C background?
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
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I live south of London, inside the M25. Don't get me wrong, I still do OK without the C++ it's just that it seems it would give me the edge over people when it comes to it. Recently I did 7 (yes, seven) rounds of interviews for a position for a C# position, and I eventually didn't get it coz I couldn't answer their C++ pointer questions.
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c2423 wrote:
C++ pointer questions
I'm not aware of any great differences with C# pointers, what are they? Besides not requiring the
unsafekeyword to use..Yes, but only C# programmers with strong C++ experience knows that the unsafe context exists in C#. ;)
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
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Thanks for the reccomendation - I just had a look at the contents on Amazon, and it does seem like a very good book for me to read! I'm not sure I'm quite that good at C++ yet but it looks like it will be very helpful when I get to that point. Thanks, Chris
Anytime! The nice thing about the Meyers books (there are a few others such as "More Effective C++" and "Effective STL") is that they teach you the common mistakes not to make, hopefully before you get into a habit of making them. :) Whereabouts in M25 land are you by the way? Beth and I are based in Bournemouth, but we've family in in Redhill so we tend to be up that way reasonably often. :beer:
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Yes, but only C# programmers with strong C++ experience knows that the unsafe context exists in C#. ;)
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
Exactly. I've never used the unsafe context in my 8 years of .net coding.
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I already know C# and I'm trying to learn C++ (it seems to be more required by employers.) All the reference material I have on C++ is geared to learning from absolute basics and I get tired of reading about the difference between ++x and x++ etc (I still read it in case there happens to be something subtle that I wouldn't already know.) So can anybody recommend any good resources that are comprehensive, but won't re-cover stuff thats the same in C#? Thanks, Chris
c2423 wrote:
I already know C# and I'm trying to learn C++
Two rules: 1) Forget everything you know about C# - despite similar syntax it is a *very* different language with different goals. 2) Get a recent book (not the Eckel's one). Stroustrup's Programming -- Principles and Practice Using C++[^] is probably pretty good for a beginner. Another good one is Accelerated C++[^] Good luck.
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Anytime! The nice thing about the Meyers books (there are a few others such as "More Effective C++" and "Effective STL") is that they teach you the common mistakes not to make, hopefully before you get into a habit of making them. :) Whereabouts in M25 land are you by the way? Beth and I are based in Bournemouth, but we've family in in Redhill so we tend to be up that way reasonably often. :beer:
Anna :rose: Having a bad bug day? Tech Blog | Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "If mushy peas are the food of the devil, the stotty cake is the frisbee of God"
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c2423 wrote:
C++ pointer questions
I'm not aware of any great differences with C# pointers, what are they? Besides not requiring the
unsafekeyword to use..