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  • D Dalek Dave

    Hmmm a little trouble with your time perception there. I am talking about going back 50,000 years. The Dinosaurs went extinct 65,000,000 years ago.

    ------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC

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    It was 64,987,234 years, 5 months, 3 days, 17 hours and 14 minutes, actually. I borrowed your time machine in 5 months to take a look and told myself 3 years ago tomorrow.

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    • M MidwestLimey

      It was 64,987,234 years, 5 months, 3 days, 17 hours and 14 minutes, actually. I borrowed your time machine in 5 months to take a look and told myself 3 years ago tomorrow.

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      Thanks Dad! By the way, your library book is over due, and the fine is now £3.2 Trillion.

      ------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC

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        I came up with a soltion to an age old problem:

        Q: How can you keep pigions from stealing all the seed?

        Requirements:
        a. The pegions can't feed at the feeder.
        b. The pegions can't feed from the ground below the feeder, where feed is placed and
        little birds knock the feed to the ground.
        c. The little birds can still feed with no problems.

        This would be a good interviewing question to test ones ability to solve design and engineering problems. I will post the solution in a few hours, or if someone comes up the same or equaly plausable solution. Hint: I came up with the solution because my Father started going nutz and throwing rocks at the pegions. ~TheArch :-D

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        PETA approved version: acheive 100% employment of pigeons in the carrier business provide them with corporate cantina stamp book sooooo easy.... not like the question i was once asked "how do i determine the weight of a 747" i said, "rtfm or just ask the pilot" where the 'out of the box' answer was to chop it up into small pieces and weigh it on a regular scale....boy, did i learn a lot that day *no hijacking/off topic intended

        Opium is my business. The bridge mean more traffic. More traffic mean more money. More money mean more power. Speed is important in business. Time is money. You said opium was money. Money is Money. Well then, what is time again? icalburner.net

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        • realJSOPR realJSOP

          Any job to be done correctly requires some research and study before implementing a solution. 0) Capture or kill a number of birds that are the approximate maximum weight of the birds you want to allow at the feeder. It would probably better to kill them outright since they'd be trying to fly away or pecking at your eyes, thus preventing you from completing the 2nd part of the study. 1) Establish a maximum average weight of said birds (you need to be able to put them onto a scale, that's why they should probably be dead). 2) Construct a bird feeder that has spring-mounted metal perch. at each end of the perch connect an electrical contact in such a way as to be a complete circuit which will kill birds that exceed the weight of your pre-determined maximum average weight. 3) To solve the bottom-feeder issue, you could also connect up our friend - the wire mesh and electrocute any animal that happens to walk on it. Of course, you'd probably be taking out squirrels, neighborhood cats, and maybe even yourself if you forget about the mesh when it's time to go refill the feeder. If you wanted to have some real fun, you could make it so that the mesh is only charged when there's a heavy bird on the perch...

          "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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          "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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          John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

          kill birds that exceed the weight of your pre-determined maximum average weight

          Are you implying that pigeons are fat?

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          • realJSOPR realJSOP

            Any job to be done correctly requires some research and study before implementing a solution. 0) Capture or kill a number of birds that are the approximate maximum weight of the birds you want to allow at the feeder. It would probably better to kill them outright since they'd be trying to fly away or pecking at your eyes, thus preventing you from completing the 2nd part of the study. 1) Establish a maximum average weight of said birds (you need to be able to put them onto a scale, that's why they should probably be dead). 2) Construct a bird feeder that has spring-mounted metal perch. at each end of the perch connect an electrical contact in such a way as to be a complete circuit which will kill birds that exceed the weight of your pre-determined maximum average weight. 3) To solve the bottom-feeder issue, you could also connect up our friend - the wire mesh and electrocute any animal that happens to walk on it. Of course, you'd probably be taking out squirrels, neighborhood cats, and maybe even yourself if you forget about the mesh when it's time to go refill the feeder. If you wanted to have some real fun, you could make it so that the mesh is only charged when there's a heavy bird on the perch...

            "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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            "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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            and what to do with all the dead birds, cats, and humans?? :-D

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            • realJSOPR realJSOP

              Any job to be done correctly requires some research and study before implementing a solution. 0) Capture or kill a number of birds that are the approximate maximum weight of the birds you want to allow at the feeder. It would probably better to kill them outright since they'd be trying to fly away or pecking at your eyes, thus preventing you from completing the 2nd part of the study. 1) Establish a maximum average weight of said birds (you need to be able to put them onto a scale, that's why they should probably be dead). 2) Construct a bird feeder that has spring-mounted metal perch. at each end of the perch connect an electrical contact in such a way as to be a complete circuit which will kill birds that exceed the weight of your pre-determined maximum average weight. 3) To solve the bottom-feeder issue, you could also connect up our friend - the wire mesh and electrocute any animal that happens to walk on it. Of course, you'd probably be taking out squirrels, neighborhood cats, and maybe even yourself if you forget about the mesh when it's time to go refill the feeder. If you wanted to have some real fun, you could make it so that the mesh is only charged when there's a heavy bird on the perch...

              "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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              "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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              Lost User
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              Wow Mufasa! You are so close...

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              • B B rad A

                and what to do with all the dead birds, cats, and humans?? :-D

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                realJSOP
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                Well, you have a choice. 0) Create and dance naked around a ceremonial bonfire while singing songs of the hunt 1) See if your dog will eat them 2) Skin the squirrels and sew their hides together to create a shield to fend off stabbing weapons. You can use their skulls (and the birds' skulls as well) to create a ceremonial headdress or necklace for your lovely bride. 3) Squirrels and cats are good eatin'. Don't waste the meat. 4) You can mount the humans on pikes at the end of your driveway.

                "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                • L Lost User

                  Wow Mufasa! You are so close...

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                  realJSOP
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                  Why the f*ck are you calling me Musafa?

                  "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                  "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                    PETA approved version: acheive 100% employment of pigeons in the carrier business provide them with corporate cantina stamp book sooooo easy.... not like the question i was once asked "how do i determine the weight of a 747" i said, "rtfm or just ask the pilot" where the 'out of the box' answer was to chop it up into small pieces and weigh it on a regular scale....boy, did i learn a lot that day *no hijacking/off topic intended

                    Opium is my business. The bridge mean more traffic. More traffic mean more money. More money mean more power. Speed is important in business. Time is money. You said opium was money. Money is Money. Well then, what is time again? icalburner.net

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                    Member 1709723 wrote:

                    "how do i determine the weight of a 747"

                    You figure out how many USAF Grunts it takes to lift the front wheel. No kidding, the when we did this inforn of the Russians they really freaked out, they thought Americans were super humans. :laugh: Actually you would ask the load master of the airplane, ot the head sturat in First Class.

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                    • realJSOPR realJSOP

                      Why the f*ck are you calling me Musafa?

                      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                      "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                      John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                      Why the f*ck are you calling me Musafa?

                      Have you ever watched 'The Lion King'? I'm just trying to have some fun, your observations are really close to finding the solution.

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                      • L Lost User

                        I came up with a soltion to an age old problem:

                        Q: How can you keep pigions from stealing all the seed?

                        Requirements:
                        a. The pegions can't feed at the feeder.
                        b. The pegions can't feed from the ground below the feeder, where feed is placed and
                        little birds knock the feed to the ground.
                        c. The little birds can still feed with no problems.

                        This would be a good interviewing question to test ones ability to solve design and engineering problems. I will post the solution in a few hours, or if someone comes up the same or equaly plausable solution. Hint: I came up with the solution because my Father started going nutz and throwing rocks at the pegions. ~TheArch :-D

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                        TommyTomToms
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                        Get a cat with an acquired taste for pigeons. :)

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                        • L Lost User

                          I came up with a soltion to an age old problem:

                          Q: How can you keep pigions from stealing all the seed?

                          Requirements:
                          a. The pegions can't feed at the feeder.
                          b. The pegions can't feed from the ground below the feeder, where feed is placed and
                          little birds knock the feed to the ground.
                          c. The little birds can still feed with no problems.

                          This would be a good interviewing question to test ones ability to solve design and engineering problems. I will post the solution in a few hours, or if someone comes up the same or equaly plausable solution. Hint: I came up with the solution because my Father started going nutz and throwing rocks at the pegions. ~TheArch :-D

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                          A net (or .NET) around the area.

                          Visit http://www.notreadytogiveup.com/[^] and do something special today.

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                            I came up with a soltion to an age old problem:

                            Q: How can you keep pigions from stealing all the seed?

                            Requirements:
                            a. The pegions can't feed at the feeder.
                            b. The pegions can't feed from the ground below the feeder, where feed is placed and
                            little birds knock the feed to the ground.
                            c. The little birds can still feed with no problems.

                            This would be a good interviewing question to test ones ability to solve design and engineering problems. I will post the solution in a few hours, or if someone comes up the same or equaly plausable solution. Hint: I came up with the solution because my Father started going nutz and throwing rocks at the pegions. ~TheArch :-D

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                            Jim Crafton
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                            TheArchitectmc∞ wrote:

                            Q: How can you keep pigions from stealing all the seed?

                            A: Shoot all the pigeons.

                            ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow

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                              I came up with a soltion to an age old problem:

                              Q: How can you keep pigions from stealing all the seed?

                              Requirements:
                              a. The pegions can't feed at the feeder.
                              b. The pegions can't feed from the ground below the feeder, where feed is placed and
                              little birds knock the feed to the ground.
                              c. The little birds can still feed with no problems.

                              This would be a good interviewing question to test ones ability to solve design and engineering problems. I will post the solution in a few hours, or if someone comes up the same or equaly plausable solution. Hint: I came up with the solution because my Father started going nutz and throwing rocks at the pegions. ~TheArch :-D

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                              Lost User
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                              Okay since The Outlaw Programmer a.k.a John, has arrived at the fist set of observations to reach the conclusion I am going to impose a constraint. In the intervew you could do the same to see how your candidate works with in constraints. The candidate was given a computer. After searching the internet they found the following: 1. Special bird feeder which has eighter spring loaded perch, or just small enough to only allow the smaller birds to feed from the feeder. 2. The candidate found an obscure article about how to keep pegions away from feeders. Solution make a box with wire mesh under the feeder. Okay now to impose the constraint that will hopfully guide your candidate to the correct observation. Constraint: The owner of the feeder lives in a community that has deed restrictions goverend by a home owners association. All landscaping must be natual, no building, no wire mesh. This constrains solution #2.

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                              • T TommyTomToms

                                Get a cat with an acquired taste for pigeons. :)

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                                Haha, good observation. I once had a cat whom was a pro at killing birds. I asked my Father if getting the dog a pegion decoy would train her to attack pegions...

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                                  A net (or .NET) around the area.

                                  Visit http://www.notreadytogiveup.com/[^] and do something special today.

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                                  Lost User
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                                  Trollslayer wrote:

                                  A net (or .NET) around the area.

                                  Yes, this is one of the solutions the extirminators offer. Unfortunatly, it doesn't comply with the new constraint imposed on the solution Outlaw John came up with.

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                                    TheArchitectmc∞ wrote:

                                    Q: How can you keep pigions from stealing all the seed?

                                    A: Shoot all the pigeons.

                                    ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow

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                                    Yes, this was previously perposed.

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                                      Okay but you return to find out that you have accidently help the dianasuars to evolve into man eating super freaks. They become the dominate species on earth.

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                                      Nagy Vilmos
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                                      TheArchitectmc∞ wrote:

                                      dianasuars to evolve into man eating super freaks.

                                      Then you feed the pigeons to the dinosuars. The stupid lizards are killed by the poisoned birds. Tow birds with one stone you might say!


                                      Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.

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                                      • realJSOPR realJSOP

                                        I would probably sit outside with a pellet gun and take out the pigeons when they land on the feeder. If I was up for a real challenge, I'd stand off about 50 yards and use a 22 rifle. Sometimes, brute force is the best way to approach a problem (and sometimes, it's more fun). Of course, you could always put the feeder inside a wire mesh cage with access holes large enough for small birds but too small for pigeons...

                                        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                                        "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                                        Instead of a pellet gun, stick with the classics[^]. ... My pulse will be quickenin' With each drop of strychnine We feed to a pigeon. It just takes a smidgen! To poison a pigeon in the park.

                                        The European Way of War: Blow your own continent up. The American Way of War: Go over and help them.

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                                          Okay since The Outlaw Programmer a.k.a John, has arrived at the fist set of observations to reach the conclusion I am going to impose a constraint. In the intervew you could do the same to see how your candidate works with in constraints. The candidate was given a computer. After searching the internet they found the following: 1. Special bird feeder which has eighter spring loaded perch, or just small enough to only allow the smaller birds to feed from the feeder. 2. The candidate found an obscure article about how to keep pegions away from feeders. Solution make a box with wire mesh under the feeder. Okay now to impose the constraint that will hopfully guide your candidate to the correct observation. Constraint: The owner of the feeder lives in a community that has deed restrictions goverend by a home owners association. All landscaping must be natual, no building, no wire mesh. This constrains solution #2.

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                                          Michael Schubert
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                                          TheArchitectmc∞ wrote:

                                          I am going to impose a constraint

                                          I vote against constraints.

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