Are software engineer that cheap?
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I just received a call from redmond based recruiter (client microsoft). It was 'software design engineer in test 1' position, with 6 month to 1 year of experience. After asking all the question about my experience, they say the maximum they can offer is 22$/hr with no benifits. Should an engineer be paid that low? Does it look alllright? I know microsoft reputation is not great but but i think it is the agency who is making big here. What do you ppl think? Any such experience. I have been offered such salary ranges before by this company and it seems it is ok.
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I just received a call from redmond based recruiter (client microsoft). It was 'software design engineer in test 1' position, with 6 month to 1 year of experience. After asking all the question about my experience, they say the maximum they can offer is 22$/hr with no benifits. Should an engineer be paid that low? Does it look alllright? I know microsoft reputation is not great but but i think it is the agency who is making big here. What do you ppl think? Any such experience. I have been offered such salary ranges before by this company and it seems it is ok.
Was it a company looking to hire you so they can place you at MS, or was it a recruiter trying to have you hired by MS?
You can't turn lead into gold, unless you've built yourself a nuclear plant.
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I just received a call from redmond based recruiter (client microsoft). It was 'software design engineer in test 1' position, with 6 month to 1 year of experience. After asking all the question about my experience, they say the maximum they can offer is 22$/hr with no benifits. Should an engineer be paid that low? Does it look alllright? I know microsoft reputation is not great but but i think it is the agency who is making big here. What do you ppl think? Any such experience. I have been offered such salary ranges before by this company and it seems it is ok.
Unless you have a real engineering degree, then title aside, you're not an engineer. For a first year job, with no real experience, it's 45K. That doesn't seem that bad for a newbie.
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I just received a call from redmond based recruiter (client microsoft). It was 'software design engineer in test 1' position, with 6 month to 1 year of experience. After asking all the question about my experience, they say the maximum they can offer is 22$/hr with no benifits. Should an engineer be paid that low? Does it look alllright? I know microsoft reputation is not great but but i think it is the agency who is making big here. What do you ppl think? Any such experience. I have been offered such salary ranges before by this company and it seems it is ok.
What's the actual job? Based on what you posted here, it sounds like a tedious testing position (like the guy who goes through every dialog box to make sure the buttons are lined up or that the active buttons actually do something.) This is stuff that needs to be done and takes a certain amount of technical acumen, but simply isn't that skilled.
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Was it a company looking to hire you so they can place you at MS, or was it a recruiter trying to have you hired by MS?
You can't turn lead into gold, unless you've built yourself a nuclear plant.
It looks like the same thing to me. A recruiter working for agency trying to place ppl at Microsoft on 3/6 months contract postions. As for me Yes i have masters in engineering but am more in development with 3+ years of exp. I think 22$/hr is not acceptable even for newbie, may be for intern.
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What's the actual job? Based on what you posted here, it sounds like a tedious testing position (like the guy who goes through every dialog box to make sure the buttons are lined up or that the active buttons actually do something.) This is stuff that needs to be done and takes a certain amount of technical acumen, but simply isn't that skilled.
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It looks like the same thing to me. A recruiter working for agency trying to place ppl at Microsoft on 3/6 months contract postions. As for me Yes i have masters in engineering but am more in development with 3+ years of exp. I think 22$/hr is not acceptable even for newbie, may be for intern.
3+ years experience in dev and a masters you should put your skills to better use. If the position requires these kinds of skills then maybe the company would sell you for more than 22$/Hour, but would try to pass only this on to you.
You can't turn lead into gold, unless you've built yourself a nuclear plant.
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What's the actual job? Based on what you posted here, it sounds like a tedious testing position (like the guy who goes through every dialog box to make sure the buttons are lined up or that the active buttons actually do something.) This is stuff that needs to be done and takes a certain amount of technical acumen, but simply isn't that skilled.
MS used to be known for hiring engineers to do test jobs, because they considered these positions required insights about how coding was done, and required the ability to develop test tools. Might have changed though.
You can't turn lead into gold, unless you've built yourself a nuclear plant.
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Unless you have a real engineering degree, then title aside, you're not an engineer. For a first year job, with no real experience, it's 45K. That doesn't seem that bad for a newbie.
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I went to college for a full year, with a major in engineering, before I realized it had nothing to do with Trains. :rolleyes:
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3+ years experience in dev and a masters you should put your skills to better use. If the position requires these kinds of skills then maybe the company would sell you for more than 22$/Hour, but would try to pass only this on to you.
You can't turn lead into gold, unless you've built yourself a nuclear plant.
This is what i think but it can be microsoft as well from behind. But my point is should this practice be allowed? It hurts everything, talent, competition and Microsoft itself (if they are not at fault). This is like an indian agency who recruits for microsoft. I am sure they are really hurting competitors but well may be not, my point is, is this practice be allowed?
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Unless you have a real engineering degree, then title aside, you're not an engineer. For a first year job, with no real experience, it's 45K. That doesn't seem that bad for a newbie.
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See this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_engineer[^] It says Texas regulates the use of the term "Software Engineer". And even more, Texas bans anyone from writing real-time code without an engineering license. Well quite nice since they have all this staff working on space related products.
You can't turn lead into gold, unless you've built yourself a nuclear plant.
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I went to college for a full year, with a major in engineering, before I realized it had nothing to do with Trains. :rolleyes:
:..::. Douglas H. Troy ::..
Bad Astronomy |VCF|wxWidgets|WTLDouglas Troy wrote:
it had nothing to do with Trains
:) One question. You have a degree in software engineering, would you rather call yourself a software engineer or a software developer (in the US)?
You can't turn lead into gold, unless you've built yourself a nuclear plant.
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I just received a call from redmond based recruiter (client microsoft). It was 'software design engineer in test 1' position, with 6 month to 1 year of experience. After asking all the question about my experience, they say the maximum they can offer is 22$/hr with no benifits. Should an engineer be paid that low? Does it look alllright? I know microsoft reputation is not great but but i think it is the agency who is making big here. What do you ppl think? Any such experience. I have been offered such salary ranges before by this company and it seems it is ok.
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Douglas Troy wrote:
it had nothing to do with Trains
:) One question. You have a degree in software engineering, would you rather call yourself a software engineer or a software developer (in the US)?
You can't turn lead into gold, unless you've built yourself a nuclear plant.
Well, actually, most of my co-workers call me: Sir Troy, Slayer of bugs, Destroyer of Windows and Grand Software Master ... but I'm not picky ... Sr Software Developer works too ... so long as they don't forget to kneel first. :-\
:..::. Douglas H. Troy ::..
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Unless you have a real engineering degree, then title aside, you're not an engineer. For a first year job, with no real experience, it's 45K. That doesn't seem that bad for a newbie.
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow
22/hr for 6 months is not 45k a year. But you are right, it is a lot more than I made in my first programming job.
Need custom software developed? I do C# development and consulting all over the United States. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane
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This is what i think but it can be microsoft as well from behind. But my point is should this practice be allowed? It hurts everything, talent, competition and Microsoft itself (if they are not at fault). This is like an indian agency who recruits for microsoft. I am sure they are really hurting competitors but well may be not, my point is, is this practice be allowed?
That looks wrong.
You can't turn lead into gold, unless you've built yourself a nuclear plant.
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I just received a call from redmond based recruiter (client microsoft). It was 'software design engineer in test 1' position, with 6 month to 1 year of experience. After asking all the question about my experience, they say the maximum they can offer is 22$/hr with no benifits. Should an engineer be paid that low? Does it look alllright? I know microsoft reputation is not great but but i think it is the agency who is making big here. What do you ppl think? Any such experience. I have been offered such salary ranges before by this company and it seems it is ok.
If it came with benefits I'd say it was a reasonable rate for an entry level developer position in most of the country (a few places like Manhattan/San Francisco being exceptions); as it is I have to wonder if they're putting it out so that they can say "we can't get an american to fill the job, give us an H1B visa".
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22/hr for 6 months is not 45k a year. But you are right, it is a lot more than I made in my first programming job.
Need custom software developed? I do C# development and consulting all over the United States. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
22/hr for 6 months is not 45k a year
Especially without benefits, that looks more like 30k
You can't turn lead into gold, unless you've built yourself a nuclear plant.
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I just received a call from redmond based recruiter (client microsoft). It was 'software design engineer in test 1' position, with 6 month to 1 year of experience. After asking all the question about my experience, they say the maximum they can offer is 22$/hr with no benifits. Should an engineer be paid that low? Does it look alllright? I know microsoft reputation is not great but but i think it is the agency who is making big here. What do you ppl think? Any such experience. I have been offered such salary ranges before by this company and it seems it is ok.
I offer a handy dandy rate calculator so you can effectively judge what you should be paid hourly as a contractor, here: [^] Salary.com suggests the Title of Software Engineer I can bank 65k a year plus benefits. Considering that I find that rather high and hard to believe I will use a base number of 36k because I think it is a nice number. Your young so retirement isn't that big of an issue but if you through in 2500 per year of health insurance and 1500 a year for retirement into my calculator it suggests you should be paid $23.8/hr to make 36k a year. So long story short, for a noob that is pretty good and much more than I made straight from college.
Need custom software developed? I do C# development and consulting all over the United States. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane
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45k for an entry level position is more than any person should be paid. If you feel you are entitled to more than that, then you are either not entry level or need to re-evaluate your lifestyle
kinar wrote:
45k for an entry level position
This is not 45k for an entry level position, this is 22$/hour without benefits for 6 months. Quite not a full-time job.
You can't turn lead into gold, unless you've built yourself a nuclear plant.