US-Russian Teams Hunting Iraq-bound Uranium Five Weeks
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Debka.com, the great Israeli news site has detailed info on the operations to seize smuggled Uranium headed to Iraq. I have no doubt that both the US and Israel cannot wait much longer before taking out Saddam. http://www.debka.com[^]
Martin Marvinski wrote: the great Israeli news News?!?!? maybe you ment to say-fairy tails-? enjoy the reading,but dont forget to remove 99% of the deatils....
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peterchen wrote: Because in this trial, the US is Makes the law, determines the penalty and executes it. Better USA than other country. peterchen wrote: And would you consider the thought that the US has strong economic interest as much as the "weak europeans"? I am sure it is true,but what's is wrong with that? in general US interests are not far a way from the world interests! any way,might is right!! because when you are might you can give up some of your interstes in order to preserve justice and moral. erupoe for example is a weak nation,it deals with evil countries like iRAN,IRAQ,SIRYA,LIBYA and other, they dont care about the arab people which lives under the rule of dictators!!
careful, you hit the anti-US venom streak. hard. tomer dror wrote: Better USA than other country. With this attitude, you don't need to be surprised about comparisons to Hitler or Nero. And btw. what's so bad about a lex canadian, or lex britain? tomer dror wrote: what's is wrong with that OMG you're right - lets can the elderly and sell it as Soylent Green to the less fortunate - sounds like an atrocity, but if it's good for business it can't be all bad! In which century do you live in? (I'm tempted to post a link to Chris' "you are here" gif...) tomer dror wrote: in general US interests are not far a way from the world interests! Um, this might be your opinion, but maybe you accept the possibility that many countries, many people and many persons object the very idea of that. I know I know, who's not for you is against you tomer dror wrote: justice and moral Um, my opinion about "justice" in this place I have alwready written. And don't tell me about american moral. Let me quote a tree-hugging hippie: "Violence is obscene. The human body is not." Europe for example is an much older nation, which has seen more variety in regime and politics than the US will (hopefully) ever see. We have seen demagogues rise and fall compared to which Mr Bush is a stable boy. The people in Saudi Arabia live under whackos. The people in Pakistan live under whackos (and Pakistan has the bomb) Many african countries live under whackos. Where's your world police superman there? Wake up, this war is on the agenda of someone, and he's using your vote to push his agenda. He doesn't care about you, nor does he care about Abbudin Manaf.
Auch den Schatten will ich lieben weil ich manchmal lieber frier' Rosenstolz [sighist]
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Debka.com, the great Israeli news site has detailed info on the operations to seize smuggled Uranium headed to Iraq. I have no doubt that both the US and Israel cannot wait much longer before taking out Saddam. http://www.debka.com[^]
The article below would be funny if it wouldn't be written by a country that could have the bomb much faster than Saddam. "Arafat-Saddam-Bin Laden Links Surface" core of the article: "a three-man Palestinian cell from Ramallah who trained in Iraq with Iraqi instructors in the execution of strikes against Israeli targets - in the company of al Qaeda terrorists."
Auch den Schatten will ich lieben weil ich manchmal lieber frier' Rosenstolz [sighist]
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careful, you hit the anti-US venom streak. hard. tomer dror wrote: Better USA than other country. With this attitude, you don't need to be surprised about comparisons to Hitler or Nero. And btw. what's so bad about a lex canadian, or lex britain? tomer dror wrote: what's is wrong with that OMG you're right - lets can the elderly and sell it as Soylent Green to the less fortunate - sounds like an atrocity, but if it's good for business it can't be all bad! In which century do you live in? (I'm tempted to post a link to Chris' "you are here" gif...) tomer dror wrote: in general US interests are not far a way from the world interests! Um, this might be your opinion, but maybe you accept the possibility that many countries, many people and many persons object the very idea of that. I know I know, who's not for you is against you tomer dror wrote: justice and moral Um, my opinion about "justice" in this place I have alwready written. And don't tell me about american moral. Let me quote a tree-hugging hippie: "Violence is obscene. The human body is not." Europe for example is an much older nation, which has seen more variety in regime and politics than the US will (hopefully) ever see. We have seen demagogues rise and fall compared to which Mr Bush is a stable boy. The people in Saudi Arabia live under whackos. The people in Pakistan live under whackos (and Pakistan has the bomb) Many african countries live under whackos. Where's your world police superman there? Wake up, this war is on the agenda of someone, and he's using your vote to push his agenda. He doesn't care about you, nor does he care about Abbudin Manaf.
Auch den Schatten will ich lieben weil ich manchmal lieber frier' Rosenstolz [sighist]
Well said, I agree with you totally. I wouldn't mind a european nation some day, but there is none yet.. is there? :) -- Iron Maiden (Harris/Gers) wrote: The rebel of yesterday, tomorrow's fool Who are you kidding being that cool?
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Well said, I agree with you totally. I wouldn't mind a european nation some day, but there is none yet.. is there? :) -- Iron Maiden (Harris/Gers) wrote: The rebel of yesterday, tomorrow's fool Who are you kidding being that cool?
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I wouldn't mind a european nation some day, but there is none yet.. is there? Depends which country you live in ;) I don't think I'd mind living in a European Nation that doesn't contain France, and isn't so weak willed. Oh, and one that doesn't rely on the US for it's defence either. B.
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we can't!, it is time to bring freedom to the arab people. how come most countries(especially weak europe) prefers economic interests instead of justice?
Yes, like 'Weak Europeans' not liking Israel's existing methods like troops from Israel gunning down kids? And if it was not for the US, I think you would find Israel very isolated - and weak. In fact it already is I think. The economy has gone down the pan from what I can tell. And anyway, Israel of all countries should be the fisrt to think twice about attacking Saddam, as if it is true about him having Nuclear capabilities in the near future along with chmical and biological weapons, combined with the will to use them freely - is it wise just to attack Iraq. It gives him more reason to fight back. He is looking for an escuse. As for Europe, its not within firing range of his rockets, but I will think you will find Israel is.
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careful, you hit the anti-US venom streak. hard. tomer dror wrote: Better USA than other country. With this attitude, you don't need to be surprised about comparisons to Hitler or Nero. And btw. what's so bad about a lex canadian, or lex britain? tomer dror wrote: what's is wrong with that OMG you're right - lets can the elderly and sell it as Soylent Green to the less fortunate - sounds like an atrocity, but if it's good for business it can't be all bad! In which century do you live in? (I'm tempted to post a link to Chris' "you are here" gif...) tomer dror wrote: in general US interests are not far a way from the world interests! Um, this might be your opinion, but maybe you accept the possibility that many countries, many people and many persons object the very idea of that. I know I know, who's not for you is against you tomer dror wrote: justice and moral Um, my opinion about "justice" in this place I have alwready written. And don't tell me about american moral. Let me quote a tree-hugging hippie: "Violence is obscene. The human body is not." Europe for example is an much older nation, which has seen more variety in regime and politics than the US will (hopefully) ever see. We have seen demagogues rise and fall compared to which Mr Bush is a stable boy. The people in Saudi Arabia live under whackos. The people in Pakistan live under whackos (and Pakistan has the bomb) Many african countries live under whackos. Where's your world police superman there? Wake up, this war is on the agenda of someone, and he's using your vote to push his agenda. He doesn't care about you, nor does he care about Abbudin Manaf.
Auch den Schatten will ich lieben weil ich manchmal lieber frier' Rosenstolz [sighist]
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I wouldn't mind a european nation some day, but there is none yet.. is there? Depends which country you live in ;) I don't think I'd mind living in a European Nation that doesn't contain France, and isn't so weak willed. Oh, and one that doesn't rely on the US for it's defence either. B.
Barry Lapthorn wrote: I don't think I'd mind living in a European Nation that doesn't contain France Why are you so negative about France? Barry Lapthorn wrote: and isn't so weak willed Define will please. If the will is to conquer and/or dominate other countries economically or territorially, then I'd stick with a weak willed nation. If the will is to defend itself without hesitating, govern the nation without bureacracy, help and support states within the nation, then sure, make it strong willed. -- Iron Maiden (Harris/Gers) wrote: The rebel of yesterday, tomorrow's fool Who are you kidding being that cool?
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Barry Lapthorn wrote: I don't think I'd mind living in a European Nation that doesn't contain France Why are you so negative about France? Barry Lapthorn wrote: and isn't so weak willed Define will please. If the will is to conquer and/or dominate other countries economically or territorially, then I'd stick with a weak willed nation. If the will is to defend itself without hesitating, govern the nation without bureacracy, help and support states within the nation, then sure, make it strong willed. -- Iron Maiden (Harris/Gers) wrote: The rebel of yesterday, tomorrow's fool Who are you kidding being that cool?
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Why are you so negative about France? It's traditional, I'm English ;) France is only ever interested in its own self interests, examples: current UK immigration problems - France makes no effort to stop any refugees from entering the Channel Tunnel; British beef, banned until last week - in disregard of EU resolutions; demanding that the EU sits sessions in Paris rather than just the Hague and Strasbourg (why?!??!?!). Weak willed? Well for a start the EU has been eroding the politcal powers of EU member states. For example all countries have now signed up to a single European Human Rights bill. This means in all countries soon, murders can only stay in prison for a maximum number of years (I think it is 20). What about their victims that are permanently *dead*? Bearing in mind the EU is supposed to be the plan to turn Europe into a global superpower, though mainly economical, it has very little interest in policing it's own borders. The fact that the EU is going to far left (i.e. permissiveness of just about anything) of centre has been shown my the elections in Austria, Holland, most recently this week, Germany. The EU only seem interested in making Europe 'uniform'. There was even some directive on bananas having a maximum amount of curvature!!!! :wtf: Could you imagine the US government telling the southern states they couldn't have hot sauces or foods? Or that you couldn't hunt in the northern states? Europe is a nice place for its diversity. I don't want to go to Sweden to find all the signs in English for goodness sakes!!! :) B.
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Yes, like 'Weak Europeans' not liking Israel's existing methods like troops from Israel gunning down kids? And if it was not for the US, I think you would find Israel very isolated - and weak. In fact it already is I think. The economy has gone down the pan from what I can tell. And anyway, Israel of all countries should be the fisrt to think twice about attacking Saddam, as if it is true about him having Nuclear capabilities in the near future along with chmical and biological weapons, combined with the will to use them freely - is it wise just to attack Iraq. It gives him more reason to fight back. He is looking for an escuse. As for Europe, its not within firing range of his rockets, but I will think you will find Israel is.
Giles wrote: Yes, like 'Weak Europeans' not liking Israel's existing methods like troops from Israel gunning down kids? We don't do this,it is a lie.i was in the IDF, i know,never me or one of my soliders deliberately fire at a palestinian kid wish you would defend the jewish kids right to live as much as you defends the palestinians right to live Giles wrote: Israel of all countries should be the fisrt to think twice yes we should wait until he get the bomb. thanks for a very good advise. Giles wrote: As for Europe, its not within firing range of his rockets, but I will think you will find Israel is. wake up Europe,Still don't get what USA said? you don't need rockets any more to deliver nuke!!! BTW we do have the bomb(s), what should a country in a state of war with many countries like israel should do? how can anyone compare between israel and the arab world?!?!? we are a wetsern democracy we have the rule of law they have the law of the rule. any way i dont see future for united europe the islamists will take europe in amatter of 20 years...if you will need some place to hide you can always come to israel. cu. i dont want to fill the forum with my opinions so i will stop writing about this issue,but you can email me directly if you want tomerdr@hotmail.com
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Yes, like 'Weak Europeans' not liking Israel's existing methods like troops from Israel gunning down kids? And if it was not for the US, I think you would find Israel very isolated - and weak. In fact it already is I think. The economy has gone down the pan from what I can tell. And anyway, Israel of all countries should be the fisrt to think twice about attacking Saddam, as if it is true about him having Nuclear capabilities in the near future along with chmical and biological weapons, combined with the will to use them freely - is it wise just to attack Iraq. It gives him more reason to fight back. He is looking for an escuse. As for Europe, its not within firing range of his rockets, but I will think you will find Israel is.
Giles wrote: Yes, like 'Weak Europeans' not liking Israel's existing methods like troops from Israel gunning down kids? And if it was not for the US, I think you would find Israel very isolated - and weak. It's an utter, utter mess. :(( Giles wrote: As for Europe, its not within firing range of his rockets, but I will think you will find Israel is. If Hussein really has got his hands on the 'Taedong' missile plans from the North Koreans, than most of Europe is in range :( B.
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Giles wrote: Yes, like 'Weak Europeans' not liking Israel's existing methods like troops from Israel gunning down kids? We don't do this,it is a lie.i was in the IDF, i know,never me or one of my soliders deliberately fire at a palestinian kid wish you would defend the jewish kids right to live as much as you defends the palestinians right to live Giles wrote: Israel of all countries should be the fisrt to think twice yes we should wait until he get the bomb. thanks for a very good advise. Giles wrote: As for Europe, its not within firing range of his rockets, but I will think you will find Israel is. wake up Europe,Still don't get what USA said? you don't need rockets any more to deliver nuke!!! BTW we do have the bomb(s), what should a country in a state of war with many countries like israel should do? how can anyone compare between israel and the arab world?!?!? we are a wetsern democracy we have the rule of law they have the law of the rule. any way i dont see future for united europe the islamists will take europe in amatter of 20 years...if you will need some place to hide you can always come to israel. cu. i dont want to fill the forum with my opinions so i will stop writing about this issue,but you can email me directly if you want tomerdr@hotmail.com
First off, in case you're already thinking it, I've not got anything against Israel, and utterly understand that it has the right to defend itself. Further to that, I would rather see Saddam gone, and would support military action sooner than later. What got me going was 'Weak Europeans'. I think you can find the UK can stand up for itself and backs action. Yet I consider myself European. Please don't generalise people. Its insulting. As for the Palestine situation, I don't think it's been helped by Sharon's cowboy tactics. And its not the first time he gone all out. I think I remember he was a General in Lebanon(20 years ago) where what seems to be a massacre occurred. I think he surrounded a village, and killed all 3000 inhabitants. His willingness to use force first reflects badly on Israel, and does little to give it international support - except the US where there is a known and very powerful political lobby, which Bush needs to please. As for terrorism, France, Spain (Basque), UK (IRA), have all be subject to prolonged conflict, but at no time, did they go about sending in tanks and bulldozers etc. In the UK the political negotiations seem to have finally paid off after 30-40 years of conflict, while the government could have easily gone in and flattened the place with troops, as the supporters of the IRA lived in particular districts. Admittedly, it’s a little harder (probably impossible) to negotiate with people who blow them selves up to die for God, but you need to ask yourself why they feel the need to do this. They feel they have been wronged - how, and what can be done to improve things. It's not an army that you're fighting. An army will call a truce, surrender. That’s why the current strategy is not working. They have been forced out of the land, and from what I can tell been moved to a desert. And rare for the Middle East, a desert with no oil. So they have no chance of making a living. They are forced to live in poverty. As for a place to hide, I don't think I need it. The thing is, Europe has seen more war than it wants. You seem to forget that. Israel is a very young nation. For the amount of bloodshed that has occured its just as well the weapons were so basic. The battle of the Somme in World War 1. Over a million people died in a day for 50m of land. These things are not easily forgotten. And as for filling the forums with opinions, I don't mind. There are many people here with much stronger opinions than yourself. Nothing wrong with expressing them either. By getting them o
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I haye to be a conspiracy theorist once again, but the whole thing is starting to smell as a set-up.* Mysterious tip off.
- Undisclosed information.
- Timing
The US should do a raid for confirmation. Hint : big raid :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
LOL... I think some people need to look up the definition of sarcasm. :) Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Why are you so negative about France? It's traditional, I'm English ;) France is only ever interested in its own self interests, examples: current UK immigration problems - France makes no effort to stop any refugees from entering the Channel Tunnel; British beef, banned until last week - in disregard of EU resolutions; demanding that the EU sits sessions in Paris rather than just the Hague and Strasbourg (why?!??!?!). Weak willed? Well for a start the EU has been eroding the politcal powers of EU member states. For example all countries have now signed up to a single European Human Rights bill. This means in all countries soon, murders can only stay in prison for a maximum number of years (I think it is 20). What about their victims that are permanently *dead*? Bearing in mind the EU is supposed to be the plan to turn Europe into a global superpower, though mainly economical, it has very little interest in policing it's own borders. The fact that the EU is going to far left (i.e. permissiveness of just about anything) of centre has been shown my the elections in Austria, Holland, most recently this week, Germany. The EU only seem interested in making Europe 'uniform'. There was even some directive on bananas having a maximum amount of curvature!!!! :wtf: Could you imagine the US government telling the southern states they couldn't have hot sauces or foods? Or that you couldn't hunt in the northern states? Europe is a nice place for its diversity. I don't want to go to Sweden to find all the signs in English for goodness sakes!!! :) B.
Barry Lapthorn wrote: For example all countries have now signed up to a single European Human Rights bill. This means in all countries soon, murders can only stay in prison for a maximum number of years (I think it is 20). What about their victims that are permanently *dead*? I have not heard about this bill. Has it been passed? I'm satisified as long as each union member treat prisoners as humans and do not carry out death sentences. Barry Lapthorn wrote: The fact that the EU is going to far left (i.e. permissiveness of just about anything) of centre has been shown my the elections in Austria, Holland, most recently this week, Germany. This is not the fault of EU, this is the collective will of the europeans. It's your vote that makes a difference you know! Barry Lapthorn wrote: The EU only seem interested in making Europe 'uniform'. There was even some directive on bananas having a maximum amount of curvature!!!! Could you imagine the US government telling the southern states they couldn't have hot sauces or foods? Or that you couldn't hunt in the northern states? Yes, I know about these absurd ideas. But these propositions have never been passed AFAIK. I remember when Sweden was about to join the EU. Rumours had it that EU laws would force us to grow cuecumbers with a specific curvature. Cuecumbers that deviated from the guidelines would not be fit for food! :confused: But thankfully, this never happened. The EU bureacrats even threatened to take away our smokeless tobacco (called Snus in swedish). Cigarettes was no problem for the EU bureacrats. The thing is, smoking kills thousands in Sweden every year, Snus kills perhaps 10 or 50. Thankfully the Snus stayed. If it had been taken away we would've had potentially 800 000 new smokers! This idiotic uniformation just ticks people off. But I think the EU has learned a thing or two during the last couple of years. We have to keep in mind that the EU as it is today is a very young creature. I have faith in EU. Given time it'll adapt and actually work for all members. Barry Lapthorn wrote: Europe is a nice place for its diversity. I don't want to go to Sweden to find all the signs in English for goodness sakes!!! Well, we're going that direction I'm afraid. :( The americanization has gone overboard. Young people can't even write proper swedish anymore. Just take a look at this
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careful, you hit the anti-US venom streak. hard. tomer dror wrote: Better USA than other country. With this attitude, you don't need to be surprised about comparisons to Hitler or Nero. And btw. what's so bad about a lex canadian, or lex britain? tomer dror wrote: what's is wrong with that OMG you're right - lets can the elderly and sell it as Soylent Green to the less fortunate - sounds like an atrocity, but if it's good for business it can't be all bad! In which century do you live in? (I'm tempted to post a link to Chris' "you are here" gif...) tomer dror wrote: in general US interests are not far a way from the world interests! Um, this might be your opinion, but maybe you accept the possibility that many countries, many people and many persons object the very idea of that. I know I know, who's not for you is against you tomer dror wrote: justice and moral Um, my opinion about "justice" in this place I have alwready written. And don't tell me about american moral. Let me quote a tree-hugging hippie: "Violence is obscene. The human body is not." Europe for example is an much older nation, which has seen more variety in regime and politics than the US will (hopefully) ever see. We have seen demagogues rise and fall compared to which Mr Bush is a stable boy. The people in Saudi Arabia live under whackos. The people in Pakistan live under whackos (and Pakistan has the bomb) Many african countries live under whackos. Where's your world police superman there? Wake up, this war is on the agenda of someone, and he's using your vote to push his agenda. He doesn't care about you, nor does he care about Abbudin Manaf.
Auch den Schatten will ich lieben weil ich manchmal lieber frier' Rosenstolz [sighist]
peterchen wrote: With this attitude, you don't need to be surprised about comparisons to Hitler or Nero. So true. That sort of attitude relly pisses me off. Regards, Brian Dela :-)
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we can't!, it is time to bring freedom to the arab people. how come most countries(especially weak europe) prefers economic interests instead of justice?
tomer dror wrote: we can't!, it is time to bring freedom to the arab people. how come most countries(especially weak europe) prefers economic interests instead of justice? Em.... who gives you or anybody the right to "free" people who don't necessarily see themselves as not being free??? From what I can see most of his people don't see themselves as having a lack of freedom.. maybe I'm wrong here, I'm not claiming to be right.. Just making an osbervation. Regards, Brian Dela :-)
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I wouldn't mind a european nation some day, but there is none yet.. is there? Depends which country you live in ;) I don't think I'd mind living in a European Nation that doesn't contain France, and isn't so weak willed. Oh, and one that doesn't rely on the US for it's defence either. B.
And in an England where the PM is the US president's lapdog, regardless of the president and his ideas X| The following statement about your geekness is true.
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I haye to be a conspiracy theorist once again, but the whole thing is starting to smell as a set-up.* Mysterious tip off.
- Undisclosed information.
- Timing
The US should do a raid for confirmation. Hint : big raid :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
The US should do a raid for confirmation Would that raid be against Turkey? That's where the uranium was (supposedly and conveniently, just as Bush is losing momentum) found.
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First off, in case you're already thinking it, I've not got anything against Israel, and utterly understand that it has the right to defend itself. Further to that, I would rather see Saddam gone, and would support military action sooner than later. What got me going was 'Weak Europeans'. I think you can find the UK can stand up for itself and backs action. Yet I consider myself European. Please don't generalise people. Its insulting. As for the Palestine situation, I don't think it's been helped by Sharon's cowboy tactics. And its not the first time he gone all out. I think I remember he was a General in Lebanon(20 years ago) where what seems to be a massacre occurred. I think he surrounded a village, and killed all 3000 inhabitants. His willingness to use force first reflects badly on Israel, and does little to give it international support - except the US where there is a known and very powerful political lobby, which Bush needs to please. As for terrorism, France, Spain (Basque), UK (IRA), have all be subject to prolonged conflict, but at no time, did they go about sending in tanks and bulldozers etc. In the UK the political negotiations seem to have finally paid off after 30-40 years of conflict, while the government could have easily gone in and flattened the place with troops, as the supporters of the IRA lived in particular districts. Admittedly, it’s a little harder (probably impossible) to negotiate with people who blow them selves up to die for God, but you need to ask yourself why they feel the need to do this. They feel they have been wronged - how, and what can be done to improve things. It's not an army that you're fighting. An army will call a truce, surrender. That’s why the current strategy is not working. They have been forced out of the land, and from what I can tell been moved to a desert. And rare for the Middle East, a desert with no oil. So they have no chance of making a living. They are forced to live in poverty. As for a place to hide, I don't think I need it. The thing is, Europe has seen more war than it wants. You seem to forget that. Israel is a very young nation. For the amount of bloodshed that has occured its just as well the weapons were so basic. The battle of the Somme in World War 1. Over a million people died in a day for 50m of land. These things are not easily forgotten. And as for filling the forums with opinions, I don't mind. There are many people here with much stronger opinions than yourself. Nothing wrong with expressing them either. By getting them o
Giles wrote: I think I remember he was a General in Lebanon(20 years ago) where what seems to be a massacre occurred. I think he surrounded a village, and killed all 3000 inhabitants. I see someone missed history classes:confused: Lebanese christians killed 800 muslims, not IDF.
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Giles wrote: I think I remember he was a General in Lebanon(20 years ago) where what seems to be a massacre occurred. I think he surrounded a village, and killed all 3000 inhabitants. I see someone missed history classes:confused: Lebanese christians killed 800 muslims, not IDF.