US-Russian Teams Hunting Iraq-bound Uranium Five Weeks
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we can't!, it is time to bring freedom to the arab people. how come most countries(especially weak europe) prefers economic interests instead of justice?
tomer dror wrote: we can't!, it is time to bring freedom to the arab people. how come most countries(especially weak europe) prefers economic interests instead of justice? Em.... who gives you or anybody the right to "free" people who don't necessarily see themselves as not being free??? From what I can see most of his people don't see themselves as having a lack of freedom.. maybe I'm wrong here, I'm not claiming to be right.. Just making an osbervation. Regards, Brian Dela :-)
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I wouldn't mind a european nation some day, but there is none yet.. is there? Depends which country you live in ;) I don't think I'd mind living in a European Nation that doesn't contain France, and isn't so weak willed. Oh, and one that doesn't rely on the US for it's defence either. B.
And in an England where the PM is the US president's lapdog, regardless of the president and his ideas X| The following statement about your geekness is true.
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I haye to be a conspiracy theorist once again, but the whole thing is starting to smell as a set-up.* Mysterious tip off.
- Undisclosed information.
- Timing
The US should do a raid for confirmation. Hint : big raid :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
The US should do a raid for confirmation Would that raid be against Turkey? That's where the uranium was (supposedly and conveniently, just as Bush is losing momentum) found.
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First off, in case you're already thinking it, I've not got anything against Israel, and utterly understand that it has the right to defend itself. Further to that, I would rather see Saddam gone, and would support military action sooner than later. What got me going was 'Weak Europeans'. I think you can find the UK can stand up for itself and backs action. Yet I consider myself European. Please don't generalise people. Its insulting. As for the Palestine situation, I don't think it's been helped by Sharon's cowboy tactics. And its not the first time he gone all out. I think I remember he was a General in Lebanon(20 years ago) where what seems to be a massacre occurred. I think he surrounded a village, and killed all 3000 inhabitants. His willingness to use force first reflects badly on Israel, and does little to give it international support - except the US where there is a known and very powerful political lobby, which Bush needs to please. As for terrorism, France, Spain (Basque), UK (IRA), have all be subject to prolonged conflict, but at no time, did they go about sending in tanks and bulldozers etc. In the UK the political negotiations seem to have finally paid off after 30-40 years of conflict, while the government could have easily gone in and flattened the place with troops, as the supporters of the IRA lived in particular districts. Admittedly, it’s a little harder (probably impossible) to negotiate with people who blow them selves up to die for God, but you need to ask yourself why they feel the need to do this. They feel they have been wronged - how, and what can be done to improve things. It's not an army that you're fighting. An army will call a truce, surrender. That’s why the current strategy is not working. They have been forced out of the land, and from what I can tell been moved to a desert. And rare for the Middle East, a desert with no oil. So they have no chance of making a living. They are forced to live in poverty. As for a place to hide, I don't think I need it. The thing is, Europe has seen more war than it wants. You seem to forget that. Israel is a very young nation. For the amount of bloodshed that has occured its just as well the weapons were so basic. The battle of the Somme in World War 1. Over a million people died in a day for 50m of land. These things are not easily forgotten. And as for filling the forums with opinions, I don't mind. There are many people here with much stronger opinions than yourself. Nothing wrong with expressing them either. By getting them o
Giles wrote: I think I remember he was a General in Lebanon(20 years ago) where what seems to be a massacre occurred. I think he surrounded a village, and killed all 3000 inhabitants. I see someone missed history classes:confused: Lebanese christians killed 800 muslims, not IDF.
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Giles wrote: I think I remember he was a General in Lebanon(20 years ago) where what seems to be a massacre occurred. I think he surrounded a village, and killed all 3000 inhabitants. I see someone missed history classes:confused: Lebanese christians killed 800 muslims, not IDF.
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I haye to be a conspiracy theorist once again, but the whole thing is starting to smell as a set-up.* Mysterious tip off.
- Undisclosed information.
- Timing
The US should do a raid for confirmation. Hint : big raid :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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Barry Lapthorn wrote: For example all countries have now signed up to a single European Human Rights bill. This means in all countries soon, murders can only stay in prison for a maximum number of years (I think it is 20). What about their victims that are permanently *dead*? I have not heard about this bill. Has it been passed? I'm satisified as long as each union member treat prisoners as humans and do not carry out death sentences. Barry Lapthorn wrote: The fact that the EU is going to far left (i.e. permissiveness of just about anything) of centre has been shown my the elections in Austria, Holland, most recently this week, Germany. This is not the fault of EU, this is the collective will of the europeans. It's your vote that makes a difference you know! Barry Lapthorn wrote: The EU only seem interested in making Europe 'uniform'. There was even some directive on bananas having a maximum amount of curvature!!!! Could you imagine the US government telling the southern states they couldn't have hot sauces or foods? Or that you couldn't hunt in the northern states? Yes, I know about these absurd ideas. But these propositions have never been passed AFAIK. I remember when Sweden was about to join the EU. Rumours had it that EU laws would force us to grow cuecumbers with a specific curvature. Cuecumbers that deviated from the guidelines would not be fit for food! :confused: But thankfully, this never happened. The EU bureacrats even threatened to take away our smokeless tobacco (called Snus in swedish). Cigarettes was no problem for the EU bureacrats. The thing is, smoking kills thousands in Sweden every year, Snus kills perhaps 10 or 50. Thankfully the Snus stayed. If it had been taken away we would've had potentially 800 000 new smokers! This idiotic uniformation just ticks people off. But I think the EU has learned a thing or two during the last couple of years. We have to keep in mind that the EU as it is today is a very young creature. I have faith in EU. Given time it'll adapt and actually work for all members. Barry Lapthorn wrote: Europe is a nice place for its diversity. I don't want to go to Sweden to find all the signs in English for goodness sakes!!! Well, we're going that direction I'm afraid. :( The americanization has gone overboard. Young people can't even write proper swedish anymore. Just take a look at this
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I'm satisified as long as each union member treat prisoners as humans and do not carry out death sentences. hmmmmm interesting point ... so like murderers must be treated with human respect etc etc ... which i kind of agree with to some extent ... but the victims are ... well ... dead ... not much respect there is there except maybe a nice funeral now im not advocating the death penalty ... but if u kill someone u must be in prison FOREVER ... not 20 yrs or 30 yrs or whatever ... for the rest of ur natural days as they say "treat people as you want them to treat you" my mom always taught me and i think its a good principle
"... and so i said to him ... if it don't dance (or code) and you can't eat it either f**k it or throw it away"
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First off, in case you're already thinking it, I've not got anything against Israel, and utterly understand that it has the right to defend itself. Further to that, I would rather see Saddam gone, and would support military action sooner than later. What got me going was 'Weak Europeans'. I think you can find the UK can stand up for itself and backs action. Yet I consider myself European. Please don't generalise people. Its insulting. As for the Palestine situation, I don't think it's been helped by Sharon's cowboy tactics. And its not the first time he gone all out. I think I remember he was a General in Lebanon(20 years ago) where what seems to be a massacre occurred. I think he surrounded a village, and killed all 3000 inhabitants. His willingness to use force first reflects badly on Israel, and does little to give it international support - except the US where there is a known and very powerful political lobby, which Bush needs to please. As for terrorism, France, Spain (Basque), UK (IRA), have all be subject to prolonged conflict, but at no time, did they go about sending in tanks and bulldozers etc. In the UK the political negotiations seem to have finally paid off after 30-40 years of conflict, while the government could have easily gone in and flattened the place with troops, as the supporters of the IRA lived in particular districts. Admittedly, it’s a little harder (probably impossible) to negotiate with people who blow them selves up to die for God, but you need to ask yourself why they feel the need to do this. They feel they have been wronged - how, and what can be done to improve things. It's not an army that you're fighting. An army will call a truce, surrender. That’s why the current strategy is not working. They have been forced out of the land, and from what I can tell been moved to a desert. And rare for the Middle East, a desert with no oil. So they have no chance of making a living. They are forced to live in poverty. As for a place to hide, I don't think I need it. The thing is, Europe has seen more war than it wants. You seem to forget that. Israel is a very young nation. For the amount of bloodshed that has occured its just as well the weapons were so basic. The battle of the Somme in World War 1. Over a million people died in a day for 50m of land. These things are not easily forgotten. And as for filling the forums with opinions, I don't mind. There are many people here with much stronger opinions than yourself. Nothing wrong with expressing them either. By getting them o
Giles wrote: As for terrorism, France, Spain (Basque), UK (IRA), have all be subject to prolonged conflict, but at no time, did they go about sending in tanks and bulldozers etc. errrrrr the whole frikin struggle was to get the damn brit occupation force out of ireland ... not to be rude but read ur history a bit more carefully please :)
"... and so i said to him ... if it don't dance (or code) and you can't eat it either f**k it or throw it away"
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I haye to be a conspiracy theorist once again, but the whole thing is starting to smell as a set-up.* Mysterious tip off.
- Undisclosed information.
- Timing
The US should do a raid for confirmation. Hint : big raid :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
remember the bologna bombing in italy? it was c2 the italian security police remember the birmingham pub bombings and the gildford 4? it was almost certainly mi5 or mi6 the greenpeace ship bombing in new zealand? french secret service agents no country is above political expedience just a damn shame bush plays with the fate of the world
"... and so i said to him ... if it don't dance (or code) and you can't eat it either f**k it or throw it away"
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Giles wrote: As for terrorism, France, Spain (Basque), UK (IRA), have all be subject to prolonged conflict, but at no time, did they go about sending in tanks and bulldozers etc. errrrrr the whole frikin struggle was to get the damn brit occupation force out of ireland ... not to be rude but read ur history a bit more carefully please :)
"... and so i said to him ... if it don't dance (or code) and you can't eat it either f**k it or throw it away"
biz stuff about melauren wrote: errrrrr the whole frikin struggle was to get the damn brit occupation force out of ireland ... not to be rude but read ur history a bit more carefully please The majority of people in Northern Ireland itself do not support the IRA and wanted a peaceful solution. So as the IRA could not use a democratic means, they turned to blowing people up to get their point across. Does that make it right? The police could not cope so they sent in the army to stop people killing each other. The protestants did not like the catholics and vice versa. Saying that its more about drugs now. The loyalist paramilitary groups are turning on each other over who gets to deal drugs and where. How about you get your facts straight? Funny, how that was not terrorism, but a struggle you called it. Maybe Bin Laden is fighing a struggle? Err no - terrorism. Thanks for the support. Its okay to cry when someone attacks you, but not the other way around. Let me guess. You great great great grandfather was Irish, and that makes you think: a) you have some bond with the irish people b) the IRA in some way give a bollocks about you. No they just want money. And stupid people in the US kept funding them.
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Sorry, my mistake. He was the defence minister, but did not tell the PM he was invading Lebabon. The 800 muslims were in a refugee camp, which was being protected by the Israeli army. Says it all.
You are wrong again. Giles wrote: He was the defence minister, but did not tell the PM he was invading Lebabon. Israel issues goverment decision to destroy "Fatahland", it was fully known. Beirut is another thing. Giles wrote: 800 muslims were in a refugee camp, which was being protected by the Israeli army. Israel was the govern, not protecting anyone. Israel never entered Sabra/Shatila.
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remember the bologna bombing in italy? it was c2 the italian security police remember the birmingham pub bombings and the gildford 4? it was almost certainly mi5 or mi6 the greenpeace ship bombing in new zealand? french secret service agents no country is above political expedience just a damn shame bush plays with the fate of the world
"... and so i said to him ... if it don't dance (or code) and you can't eat it either f**k it or throw it away"
biz stuff about meRemember Israel trying to sink the U.S. spy ship? The logical flaw is that just because something is in the realm of possibility doesn't mean it must be the case. It is a cause for skepticism, but writing it off blindly is just as sad as accepting it blindly. The U.S. must prove that the stuff was destined for Iraq. Just as the others must prove that it was a plant. Just saying it was a plant doesn't make it the case. After all, I can say that elephants are all just lions dressed in really good costumes. It isn't your job to prove this wrong, it would be my job to prove it is the case. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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lauren wrote: errrrrr the whole frikin struggle was to get the damn brit occupation force out of ireland ... not to be rude but read ur history a bit more carefully please The majority of people in Northern Ireland itself do not support the IRA and wanted a peaceful solution. So as the IRA could not use a democratic means, they turned to blowing people up to get their point across. Does that make it right? The police could not cope so they sent in the army to stop people killing each other. The protestants did not like the catholics and vice versa. Saying that its more about drugs now. The loyalist paramilitary groups are turning on each other over who gets to deal drugs and where. How about you get your facts straight? Funny, how that was not terrorism, but a struggle you called it. Maybe Bin Laden is fighing a struggle? Err no - terrorism. Thanks for the support. Its okay to cry when someone attacks you, but not the other way around. Let me guess. You great great great grandfather was Irish, and that makes you think: a) you have some bond with the irish people b) the IRA in some way give a bollocks about you. No they just want money. And stupid people in the US kept funding them.
no my great great whatever wasnt irish no i dont have delusions about bonding with them no i dont think they give a fuk about me ... they tried to kill me (along with any other brit on mainland uk) many times the struggle in ireland goes back to the 1920's and before if you read the history ... the british were an occupation force ... the ira wanted them out ... but hey i guess terrorism is defined by which side ur on ... the french resistance were terrorists to hitler ... bin laden is a holy avenger to the fundamantalists ... bush is a saviour to the americans just tryin to see apples as apples regardless of their color is all
"... and so i said to him ... if it don't dance (or code) and you can't eat it either f**k it or throw it away"
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You are wrong again. Giles wrote: He was the defence minister, but did not tell the PM he was invading Lebabon. Israel issues goverment decision to destroy "Fatahland", it was fully known. Beirut is another thing. Giles wrote: 800 muslims were in a refugee camp, which was being protected by the Israeli army. Israel was the govern, not protecting anyone. Israel never entered Sabra/Shatila.
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Remember Israel trying to sink the U.S. spy ship? The logical flaw is that just because something is in the realm of possibility doesn't mean it must be the case. It is a cause for skepticism, but writing it off blindly is just as sad as accepting it blindly. The U.S. must prove that the stuff was destined for Iraq. Just as the others must prove that it was a plant. Just saying it was a plant doesn't make it the case. After all, I can say that elephants are all just lions dressed in really good costumes. It isn't your job to prove this wrong, it would be my job to prove it is the case. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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Barry Lapthorn wrote: For example all countries have now signed up to a single European Human Rights bill. This means in all countries soon, murders can only stay in prison for a maximum number of years (I think it is 20). What about their victims that are permanently *dead*? I have not heard about this bill. Has it been passed? I'm satisified as long as each union member treat prisoners as humans and do not carry out death sentences. Barry Lapthorn wrote: The fact that the EU is going to far left (i.e. permissiveness of just about anything) of centre has been shown my the elections in Austria, Holland, most recently this week, Germany. This is not the fault of EU, this is the collective will of the europeans. It's your vote that makes a difference you know! Barry Lapthorn wrote: The EU only seem interested in making Europe 'uniform'. There was even some directive on bananas having a maximum amount of curvature!!!! Could you imagine the US government telling the southern states they couldn't have hot sauces or foods? Or that you couldn't hunt in the northern states? Yes, I know about these absurd ideas. But these propositions have never been passed AFAIK. I remember when Sweden was about to join the EU. Rumours had it that EU laws would force us to grow cuecumbers with a specific curvature. Cuecumbers that deviated from the guidelines would not be fit for food! :confused: But thankfully, this never happened. The EU bureacrats even threatened to take away our smokeless tobacco (called Snus in swedish). Cigarettes was no problem for the EU bureacrats. The thing is, smoking kills thousands in Sweden every year, Snus kills perhaps 10 or 50. Thankfully the Snus stayed. If it had been taken away we would've had potentially 800 000 new smokers! This idiotic uniformation just ticks people off. But I think the EU has learned a thing or two during the last couple of years. We have to keep in mind that the EU as it is today is a very young creature. I have faith in EU. Given time it'll adapt and actually work for all members. Barry Lapthorn wrote: Europe is a nice place for its diversity. I don't want to go to Sweden to find all the signs in English for goodness sakes!!! Well, we're going that direction I'm afraid. :( The americanization has gone overboard. Young people can't even write proper swedish anymore. Just take a look at this
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I have not heard about this bill. Has it been passed? I'm satisified as long as each union member treat prisoners as humans and do not carry out death sentences. There are some murderers over here that have been put in prison for life. "Life means life", not 20yrs which is what this bill means. Most of these people are a danger and can't be 'cured'. We need to thank the EU for allowing these people out..... :( Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Young people can't even write proper swedish anymore. Same with English. :( B.
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And in an England where the PM is the US president's lapdog, regardless of the president and his ideas X| The following statement about your geekness is true.
The previous statement about your geekness is false.That's perspective, isn't it? In the US they think Blair is the best PM since Churchill.... :wtf: Blair is the worst Prime Minster of the most deceitful government I can ever remember.... :( B.
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lauren wrote: errrrrr the whole frikin struggle was to get the damn brit occupation force out of ireland ... not to be rude but read ur history a bit more carefully please The majority of people in Northern Ireland itself do not support the IRA and wanted a peaceful solution. So as the IRA could not use a democratic means, they turned to blowing people up to get their point across. Does that make it right? The police could not cope so they sent in the army to stop people killing each other. The protestants did not like the catholics and vice versa. Saying that its more about drugs now. The loyalist paramilitary groups are turning on each other over who gets to deal drugs and where. How about you get your facts straight? Funny, how that was not terrorism, but a struggle you called it. Maybe Bin Laden is fighing a struggle? Err no - terrorism. Thanks for the support. Its okay to cry when someone attacks you, but not the other way around. Let me guess. You great great great grandfather was Irish, and that makes you think: a) you have some bond with the irish people b) the IRA in some way give a bollocks about you. No they just want money. And stupid people in the US kept funding them.
Giles wrote: The majority of people in Northern Ireland itself do not support the IRA thats cos they are protestants ... put there way back when we all went around in horse-drawn carts by the british ... of course they dont support the ira or a unified ireland where the majority are catholics
"... and so i said to him ... if it don't dance (or code) and you can't eat it either f**k it or throw it away"
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no my great great whatever wasnt irish no i dont have delusions about bonding with them no i dont think they give a fuk about me ... they tried to kill me (along with any other brit on mainland uk) many times the struggle in ireland goes back to the 1920's and before if you read the history ... the british were an occupation force ... the ira wanted them out ... but hey i guess terrorism is defined by which side ur on ... the french resistance were terrorists to hitler ... bin laden is a holy avenger to the fundamantalists ... bush is a saviour to the americans just tryin to see apples as apples regardless of their color is all
"... and so i said to him ... if it don't dance (or code) and you can't eat it either f**k it or throw it away"
biz stuff about meSorry, point taken. And yes back in the 1920's the British were an occupation force along with a 1/3 of the globe. A lot has changed since then. I was referring to more recent times with terrorist groups - post world wars where a lot has been learnt with western countries realising war it not so great for prosperity, unless you vastly overwhelm the opposition in battle. In my note I was saying we can learn from history, and cited the eventual success though political means rather than just killing everyone who opposed. There are still many issues to be resolved, but Northern Ireland is much more peaceful than it was back in the 70's.
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Oh, very very true. They way I look at it is that it is natural for people to agree with their leaders (and I mean ideological leaders). This is to be expected. I just want people to have that grain of doubt always eating away at them. They might not be able to see initial wrong doing, but they should see patterns of abuse. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture