Jobless IT graduate sues her college
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leckey wrote:
What college GUARANTEES any kind of a job?
That is exactly what I was thinking. The judge should just throw this case out.:mad:
Kelly Herald Software Developer
I the college did make such a guarantee in order to get people to enroll, then there is a legal basis for the law suit. Of course things will get a lot more complicated in trial as to what the 'guarantee' word means and if it was written in a binding contract and such ..
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Although suing the college is a complete nonsense, I do feel for a lot of the young'uns now entering the workplace. Saddled with debt, very few opportunities for a low paid job, let alone a decent paying one, jobs getting off-shored left-right and centre, house prices bordering on waaaaaay past the ridiculous for the most crummy of one-bed digs... not a happy place to be. Still, there are opportunities out there and it'll just take a lot more gumption and perseverance to hunt them down. And give it five years and I expect things will have improved no end.
martin_hughes wrote:
And give it five years and I expect things will have improved no end.
that's a bit contradictory to
martin_hughes wrote:
Still, there are opportunities out there
don't you think? I mean that if the opportunity suddenly pops up in front of you 5 years from now, it doesn't mean that it exists today, does it?
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harold aptroot wrote:
and trying to hit the market without either a masters degree or a Lot of experience is just a foolish waste of time.
FTFY
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Yea ok. But that's a dead end in the paths of Life - you can't get experience because you don't already have it. If that were really the case then surely there would be reports of groups of fresh ex-students committing mass suicide. I have heard no such reports, so there's gotta be some sort of sideways workaround that somehow escapes the dead end.
There is really, no golden rule here. To the same goal you can reach from different paths. The only thing that is common in all the cases is that the "student" somehow gets the job done. I don't know if it's because of experience, whits, knowledge or ... charm ;P !!!
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Although suing the college is a complete nonsense, I do feel for a lot of the young'uns now entering the workplace. Saddled with debt, very few opportunities for a low paid job, let alone a decent paying one, jobs getting off-shored left-right and centre, house prices bordering on waaaaaay past the ridiculous for the most crummy of one-bed digs... not a happy place to be. Still, there are opportunities out there and it'll just take a lot more gumption and perseverance to hunt them down. And give it five years and I expect things will have improved no end.
martin_hughes wrote:
Saddled with debt
Not all of us. Maybe in the US that's more common but here it's very rare that the student actually has debts.
martin_hughes wrote:
house prices bordering on waaaaaay past the ridiculous for the most crummy of one-bed digs...
Have to agree (even here it's getting ridiculous) but if you look around long enough and aren't afraid of making your hands dirty a bit there are still nice things on the market. (I just bought my apartment, need a lot of work but hey that's the fun part ;P )
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Agreed. I saw she sued for 70K USD only. she would have added 150K for causing mental trauma and 150K more for loss of valuable time. ;P
Pravarakhya wrote:
valuable time
whose?
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leckey wrote:
What college GUARANTEES any kind of a job?
That is exactly what I was thinking. The judge should just throw this case out.:mad:
Kelly Herald Software Developer
besides that he should help her into a mental asylum and sentence those who abetted her from doing that with really tough sentences so that this would be an eyeopener for others from not wasting the time of the judiciary.
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The world of The Netherlands - you have no Master's, then you are a drop out. It's suspicious. Why wouldn't have you have a Master's? Lazyness: bad. Lack of skill: worse.
I got a job in the Netherlands without a bachelors
Pete
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Being English I sometimes really feel for Americans having for to put up with people like this -->Clickety :wtf: I mean seriously, who is going to employ her now?
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
I'm familiar with this college. It started out as a storefront quickie career brushup place - geared towards providing business skills, like typing. Then it became accredited. Not sure how or when. It then expanded, consuming a couple of city blocks. A fine example of the state of private higher education for the masses in this country. Ignoring the fact that maybe you barely learned how to spell or do "grammer" during your primary years. I would think that anyone who graduated would be somewhat aware of what they were in for when they got out - especially in this economy.
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Being English I sometimes really feel for Americans having for to put up with people like this -->Clickety :wtf: I mean seriously, who is going to employ her now?
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
This kind of thing makes me angry to be an American. Though I am certain it is not limited to us. I am baffled by someone who would put thier future in someone else's hands just because they said they would help them get a job. All I can think of is that there will be a multitude of Nigerians making money off of this one.
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Being English I sometimes really feel for Americans having for to put up with people like this -->Clickety :wtf: I mean seriously, who is going to employ her now?
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
In a string of related stories, a Vermont man sues his washing machine for not automatically doing his laundry, a Florida woman sues McDonalds when her food goes bad, days after purchase, and a New Mexico teen sues his willy for not getting laid. @guy -- let's not make this about America shall we? It's not like the UK doesn't have it's share of festering tits. Political and personal freedom mixed with comfortable levels of survivability breed entitlement in the bottom percentage of intellects no matter where you live.
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Agreed. I saw she sued for 70K USD only. she would have added 150K for causing mental trauma and 150K more for loss of valuable time. ;P
The judge should award her the 70k if the agrees to give the education back... Or at least get rid of it. Lobotomy time!
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Hey, I think she deserves every penny of.... of..... *cracks up*.... Sorry, can't even type that with a straight face. I just want to assure everyone that the rest of us New Yorkers are not nearly that stupid. Not all of us, at least.
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leckey wrote:
What college GUARANTEES any kind of a job?
Poor girl didnt learn that colleges guarantee learning, not jobs.
LOL I don't think so... They promise an education. As for learning -- You can lead a horse to water...
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I'm not sure what planet you live on, but outside of Google, Master's degrees do nothing to help job prospects outside of very narrow fields (and the scoop is that even Google is regretting that stance.)
I live on planet upper management where an MBA is a requirement for entry. Hope all is well on planet coderforlife ;)
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My initial reaction was "who cares". Unless you're a cum laude, your gpa doesn't do anything for your career prospects. Or does it? Do fresh grads with no work experience get asked about their gpa? As an employer I would want to know because it is an indicator of work ethic... (I haven't hired entry level, so I haven't been in tha position. )
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My first reaction was similar to many here, but then I read one story that pointed out that Monroe College had bragged about their placement rates and how much they did to get you a job and all that. The legal question is whether Monroe College made a contract or whether their claims constituted a contract. If they did (and I think they did), are they really liable for the graduate's tuition (that's where I'm skeptical.) This does raise a question, though, about what liability universities have for making claims and promises about job placement or even job possibilities that simply aren't true. Yes, everyone should know that colleges and universities have long way oversold the value of their services, but should they get away with their lies forever?
Joe Woodbury wrote:
My first reaction was similar to many here, but then I read one story that pointed out that Monroe College had bragged about their placement rates and how much they did to get you a job and all that...
That is my point as well. We see so much of nonsensical lawsuits like this that the knee jerk reaction is to condemn it at face value. However, the case may have merit and we should consider that a lot of details are not reported or are underreported. (The media in the U.S. loves to skew the facts of a story for their political inclinations or benefit -- i.e. ratings.) Whether there is any guarantee of placement may not be the argument. Whether they really tried to place her in the first place may be the argument. And as for the amount consider that with any negotiation you always start on the high end. I'm not saying this woman is not a flake. I'm simply saying I don't know. Nor does anyone else here.
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Pravarakhya wrote:
she would have added 150K for causing mental trauma and 150K more for loss of valuable time.
Ahhh.. the American way! ;)
jeron1 wrote:
Ahhh.. the American way!
Not my American way! ;P If I were the judge I'd make sure there was a sitcom laugh track queued up on the courtroom sounds system. I'm sure there would be many other fellow countrymen ready to take a turn on the play button, too! :laugh:
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It seems that people now accept no responsibility for anything at all. Twice, I was unemployed (due to recession), and I didn't see it as anybody's direct fault.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Twice, I was unemployed (due to recession), and I didn't see it as anybody's direct fault.
Recessions are invariable the fault of greedy bustards.
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Being English I sometimes really feel for Americans having for to put up with people like this -->Clickety :wtf: I mean seriously, who is going to employ her now?
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)